sailing: the flash stats Canon provides do not tell a very clear picture. First, they clutter it up with all kinds of irrelevant information, then they give you the power in terms of feet rather than the proper units of flash output - guide number.
To interpret the numbers, first disregard the minimum distances (1.9ft, 10.6", etc.) that's just the minimum focus distance of the lens and has absolutely nothing to do with the flash. Second, consider the maximum aperture when comparing the maximum distance (i.e. the S200 claims 6.6ft at 70mm/f4 and the S330 claims 6.6ft at 105mm/f4.7). The fact that the S330 can still reach 6.6' with the much smaller aperture of 4.7 means that its flash must be substantially more powerful.
A better comparison would be to use the specs for the 35mm focal length, here the apertures are a very similar 2.8 and 2.7 respectively. You see that the S330 claims 15% further reach, which amounts to much more than 15% more flash power as the flash is lighting a hemispherical region.
Here you go StupidAsStupidIs
To interpret the numbers, first disregard the minimum distances (1.9ft, 10.6", etc.) that's just the minimum focus distance of the lens and has absolutely nothing to do with the flash. Second, consider the maximum aperture when comparing the maximum distance (i.e. the S200 claims 6.6ft at 70mm/f4 and the S330 claims 6.6ft at 105mm/f4.7). The fact that the S330 can still reach 6.6' with the much smaller aperture of 4.7 means that its flash must be substantially more powerful.
A better comparison would be to use the specs for the 35mm focal length, here the apertures are a very similar 2.8 and 2.7 respectively. You see that the S330 claims 15% further reach, which amounts to much more than 15% more flash power as the flash is lighting a hemispherical region.
Here you go StupidAsStupidIs
S330 just ordered. 334.10 with free Next Day shipping (they gotta inform me before they change the shipping price, right?) I was just about to go for the S100 for the same price using my gift card from the GeForce4 BB "deal". Better camera, better price, plus I still got my gift card. BUMP for a good post.
just put an order through for the S200 - is est. to ship on or before April 2nd!!! that is very hard to believe and i will be very happy if i actually get it by then! : ) i have the S110 now, and the thing i REALLY don't like about it is the white-light/AF-assist beam that comes on everytime before you take a shot. it also looks like with the S200, you have a bit more control over the manual aspects of the camera controls. anybody know if they've improved the flash of the S200 over the S110???
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cool... i got in on the s330. now i can shoot pictures when my friends hang out and not have to drag the huge assed canon d30 around. 
thanks stonecold3169. you rock!
thanks stonecold3169. you rock!
I already bought the s200, and I'm thinking about getting the s330 so i can play with both and try to return one of them within 30 days, or perhaps keep them both if i love em that much(prolly not)
does anyone know anything about dell's return policy? Will i get all my money back?
this is what i got from dell's site
"Total Satisfaction" Return Policy (United States Only)
If you are an end-user customer who bought new products directly from a Dell company, you may return them to Dell within 30 days of the date of invoice for a refund or credit of the product purchase price. If you are an end-user customer who bought reconditioned or refurbished products from a Dell company, you may return them to Dell within 14 days of the date of invoice for a refund or credit of the product purchase price. In either case, the refund or credit will not include any shipping and handling charges shown on your invoice. If you are an organization that bought the products under a written agreement with Dell, the agreement may contain different terms for the return of products than specified by this policy.
does anyone know anything about dell's return policy? Will i get all my money back?
this is what i got from dell's site
"Total Satisfaction" Return Policy (United States Only)
If you are an end-user customer who bought new products directly from a Dell company, you may return them to Dell within 30 days of the date of invoice for a refund or credit of the product purchase price. If you are an end-user customer who bought reconditioned or refurbished products from a Dell company, you may return them to Dell within 14 days of the date of invoice for a refund or credit of the product purchase price. In either case, the refund or credit will not include any shipping and handling charges shown on your invoice. If you are an organization that bought the products under a written agreement with Dell, the agreement may contain different terms for the return of products than specified by this policy.
Not sure about the S110 and S300, but the newer line S200 and S330 have an (optional?) waterproof casing up to 100 m depth (according to dpreview.com). Pretty slick providing the casing ain't too expensive. Well, not that I take many underwater pictures, but the thought of being able to use this baby to take shots of whales, dolphins, not to mention sharks , gets me excited.
-lankia
, gets me excited. -lankia
anyone know if you can record longer then the 4 sec / 10 sec/ maximum video times based on your type of media? i have a 320mb CF Type 1 card i can use, but it doesn't matter if the camera limits it at 4 seconds no matter what (the 30 second res is practically unusuable). i don't see why they would limit it standard like that as opposed to letting it run as long as your memory card size is.
the reason i ask is i go on a lot of snowboarding trips with friends, along with other stuff, and it's great to take short vids. i usually throw them all together in premiere and make a cool music video for the trip, but i hate using a res lower than 640x480. 20 fps is also one of the highest movie frame rates i've seen for a digicam, i sold my fuji since it was 15 fps (but 90 second video). don't get me wrong, i use my cam 90% for quick image shots, but i'd like the ability to take decent video too (if i wanted actual digi video i'd buy a camcorder, but then again, good luck sticking one of those in your shirt pocket).
the reason i ask is i go on a lot of snowboarding trips with friends, along with other stuff, and it's great to take short vids. i usually throw them all together in premiere and make a cool music video for the trip, but i hate using a res lower than 640x480. 20 fps is also one of the highest movie frame rates i've seen for a digicam, i sold my fuji since it was 15 fps (but 90 second video). don't get me wrong, i use my cam 90% for quick image shots, but i'd like the ability to take decent video too (if i wanted actual digi video i'd buy a camcorder, but then again, good luck sticking one of those in your shirt pocket).
(Why isn't the video time variable with the CF card size?)
My guess would be that the video is shot to a buffer and later written to the CF card. Anybody got the skinny?
My guess would be that the video is shot to a buffer and later written to the CF card. Anybody got the skinny?
The 640x480 video (on the S110 at least) sucks. It looks like scaled up 320x240 and the 4 second duration makes it useless.
The video mode, like on most cameras, is written to a buffer in the camera, which explains the limited size.
Dell's return policy is pretty good, everyone I've ever talked to has been able to return something within 30 days for full money back.
The S110 had one of those cool underwater cases too, but if I remember right the case alone was between $80-100, which for a hardcore photographer isn't bad, but for a poor college kid like me is nuts.
To everyone else, glad you're enjoying this deal, I actually didn't get in on this one myself, I'm holding out for a 10x optical zoom deal, I plan on doing a lot of wildlife and in this case the 2x zoom won't cut it. If anyone wants to repay the favor, find me a nice deal on a Olympus c-700 or 2100
Dell's return policy is pretty good, everyone I've ever talked to has been able to return something within 30 days for full money back.
The S110 had one of those cool underwater cases too, but if I remember right the case alone was between $80-100, which for a hardcore photographer isn't bad, but for a poor college kid like me is nuts.
To everyone else, glad you're enjoying this deal, I actually didn't get in on this one myself, I'm holding out for a 10x optical zoom deal, I plan on doing a lot of wildlife and in this case the 2x zoom won't cut it. If anyone wants to repay the favor, find me a nice deal on a Olympus c-700 or 2100
If anyone out there has recently bought a laptop from dell, or possibly a desktop, check the pile of paperwork you got with your system. They included a $100 off a $400+ coupon code in my new inspiron 4100... it's for Peripherals and System upgrades so it'll work on the cameras... This will let you save an additional $75 on this deal, making it EXTREMELY HOT... I'm thinking of getting a camera myself, trying to resist cause I really can't afford it... let me know if anyone gets in on this additional coupon...
Oh and one more thing, the $100 off coupon says it can be combined with other offers, just like the $25 off coupon does. You may be able to get them to take both if you phone in your order, but the website doesn't let you... let me know if this works for anyone...
I was just wondering how the s300 compares to the s30. Is the 640x480 video nice on the s300? I bought the s30 just about 2 months ago and I notice that it can only do 320X240 mode for video. The good thing about the s30 is that I can manually adjust the shutter, aperture and focus. It just like an SLR camera. Besides the 3.1 megapixel on the s30 vs the 2.1 megapixel on the s300. Is there a reason for me to get the s300? Thanks.
<< 3Mp cameras are not practical in this form factor.
Nobody has succeeded yet in creating this small of optics that can produce 3Mp worth of information.
Read the reviews on dpreview of the Optio 330 and the Kyocera.
The resolutions obtained are only slightly higher than the previous generation canons, and both exhibited considerable other image problems.
I think canon has it right with the digital elph line, try to take the best picture you can within the limitations of 2Mp.
I have printed 8x10's from my S100 that look fantastic.
Do not judge digital cameras by the Mp number alone.
>>
This is true, and a small form-factor 3.34MP digital camera does not have the resolution of a larger-bodied 3.34MP camera, but that still doesn't negate the fact that a tiny 3.34MP digital camera still has better resolution than a tiny 2.1MP digital camera.
Probably most importantly, IMO, is the Optio 330 is higher resolution, has 3x zoom, and is closer to the size of the S110. The S300 just seems so much larger when you compare the two. And then when you look at price, the Optio gives more for the money.
My Optio 330 was $399 after MIR from Photoalley 4-months ago, and that included an extra Li-Ion battery. I haven't shopped around for them lately, but I'm sure they're still price competitive with the S300's. Photoalley is not exactly the cheapest place to buy stuff.
I don't mean to come across like I'm thread-crapping, but just pointing out that a big name brand and popularity doesn't necessarily mean it's the best product for the best price. There are other lesser-known names out there that are a better bang for the buck.
loganhunter,
i'd just keep the S30 if i were you - it's basically higher-end and better than the s300. unless you're concerned about the size of the camera, i'd stick with it. also, they haven't developed much in terms of small cameras (s300/s110 size) with the capability to get much higher than 3mp. the manual controls on the S30/S40 are also supposed to be better than those of the s300. the s30 probably was made really with a focus on the consumer who takes alot more pictures (hence the 320X240 video mode) with higher quality. i guess it depends on what you want/need though. i would check out dpreviews and do some more comparison though if you're thinking about the s300.
i'd just keep the S30 if i were you - it's basically higher-end and better than the s300. unless you're concerned about the size of the camera, i'd stick with it. also, they haven't developed much in terms of small cameras (s300/s110 size) with the capability to get much higher than 3mp. the manual controls on the S30/S40 are also supposed to be better than those of the s300. the s30 probably was made really with a focus on the consumer who takes alot more pictures (hence the 320X240 video mode) with higher quality. i guess it depends on what you want/need though. i would check out dpreviews and do some more comparison though if you're thinking about the s300.
woohooo just ordered me a s330!!! heh surprised i got free shipping to hawaii and 3% ebates what a deal!! MAHALO'S!!! been looking for a camera for a long time! thought bout getting the g2 powershot but nah... i don't need that much power now hehe
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