Dell new 20" wide LCD 2005FPW. Has anyone seen this beast?

[calam63]

weird - you should check your order status on dell.com - they should have a tracking number under shipped

 

[CMeyst]

I've just ordered the 2001FP and am wondering if the NVIDIA GeForce FX 52001 128MB card that came in my Dell Dimension 8300 will be adequate for it (no gaming it all -- business and DTP work)? I plan on using the DVI connector. Would appreciate advice and information on this combo; settings etc. Thanks.

 

[batmanuel]

CMeyst, here's a quote from the ExtremeTech article Naustica posted a link to:

Result: Failure at 135MHz.

When we initially spoke with Silicon Image back in July, they showed us a slide with the results of their DVI testing on eight different GeForceFX 5200 cards -- none passed. We only checked out two cards this go-around, but our testing indicates that the 5200 may be problematic. One nifty feature of this card is that there's no active cooling fan on the heat sink, which may appeal to users searching for gear for a quiet PC.

The eVGA GeForceFX 5200 is based on the lowest-cost DirectX 9 solution from nVidia and uses their internal DVI transmitter. It's aimed squarely at budget users and can be found for around $75. This card not only failed, it failed at 135MHz, the bare minimum you'd need to drive a UXGA monitor with a minimal blanking interval. You can see noticeable signal overshoot and undershoot. Also, the data eye itself isn't quite clean. Now, you may see a perfectly good signal with a short cable on a compliant monitor ? we did. But when this card is attached to a non-compliant monitor, or a three-meter cable, it's not a pretty sight.

Based on the reults of that article, I'd lean more towards ATi with a big, high res flat panel.

And thanks so much for posting it Naustica. The info in the article is a great help for anyone looking at these Dell panels. They are getting so cheap now that there is a real danger they might get paired up with a cheap card that can't handle them properly.

 

[CMeyst]

Okay, if the GeForce FX 5200 may be problematic or unreliable with DVI, can someone recommend a good video card, not too expenseive, (ATI or other) for NON-GAMING use - basically 2-D usage for desktop publishing and graphics work to be used with these monitors. Thanks.

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: CMeyst
I've just ordered the 2001FP and am wondering if the NVIDIA GeForce FX 52001 128MB card that came in my Dell Dimension 8300 will be adequate for it (no gaming it all -- business and DTP work)? I plan on using the DVI connector. Would appreciate advice and information on this combo; settings etc. Thanks.

I would be shocked if it didn't work. As long as you don't use extremely long cables you should be fine. Even though FX5200 failed that Extremetech DVI compliance test, I've never heard of anyone not being able to run desktop at 1600x1200 via DVI with any card.

 

[CMeyst]

Thanks Naustica, that makes me feel better.

My cable would probably be around 2 feet (maybe a little less) and I do plan to run at 1600 x 1200 resolution.

 

[ponyo]

The stock DVI cable that comes with 2001FP is pretty good.

 

[amol]

Any Dell insiders know if they are going to release a 23"? Like Apple's or HP's . . . .

 

[Sadhu]

Originally posted by: Naustica
The stock DVI cable that comes with 2001FP is pretty good.

Actually, the stock cable that comes with the 2001FPw looks a bit more beefy and thicker than the cable with the 2001FP.

 

[imported_cman]

Sadhu, what refresh rate do you run your 2005 at?

 

[Sadhu]

Originally posted by: cman
Sadhu, what refresh rate do you run your 2005 at?

Usually up late, but last night ... too much fruit of the vine. Anyway, options have I none: 60
And that's okay, since, as one can read at EIZO:

"Unlike CRT display technology in which the speed the electron beam
is swept from the top to the bottom of the screen determines flicker,
an active matrix display uses an active element (TFT) to control each
individual pixel and thus refresh rates are not really applicable to
LCD technology."

 

[Hikari]

It is an LCD, refresh rates don't apply, just response time (which is 12ms grey to grey, and 16ms black to black). I know you have a setting in Windows, but that isn't really valid w/an LCD.

 

[amol]

is the Dellf game on Dell.com still giving out 20% off coupons for the 2005FPw?

EDIT: im trying right now, but the only things i've gotten so far are price breaks on printer, mp3 players, tvs, and desktops

nothing for monitors. . .

EDIT2: now im only getting notebooks and handhelds . . . tried about 45 times now. . .

EDIT3: lol, i give up . . . im going to go watch UA vs ASU (go DEVILS)

or maybe Texas vs A&M

if you're playing the Dellf game and you get a 20% monitor thing and don't want it, please PM the code to me . .

pretty please with a cherry on top!

 

[Hikari]

Yes, it has DVI and VGA, and even a USB2.0 one.

 

[RossMAN]

Originally posted by: Amol
Any Dell insiders know if they are going to release a 23"? Like Apple's or HP's . . . .

I wish we knew.

 

[Denis54]

I am from Canada and want to buy a 2001FP (or 2005FP) as a Christmas gift for my son. What is the best price I can expect to get in Canada?

He studies in Computer Engineering at University of Sherbrooke. How can I find out if he is eligible for a student rebate?

Alternatively, what is the best price I could get in the US? I travel often and could bring it back.

 

[LoneWolf1]

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[imported_halcy]

Anyone else having a problem with their 2005FPW backlights shining through VERY brightly at the corners? I have it happening at the top two corners, specifically the top right is really bad. Using DVI, tried dropping all the color values and brightness, nothing helps since it seems to be a backlight/panel issue. A really good example of what is happening is from a thread at hard forums:
Hardforum Thread Link

Has anyone else had this? Have you been able to solve it? I'm planning on sending it back ASAP... but if this is a universal problem I won't bother getting a replacement. I saw one image of a guys screen from the broadband forums and his didn't look like it had this problem...

Thanks!

 

[imported_Fr0zen]

That was my monitor on dsl reports. Mine is not nearly as bad as the picture you showed. Mine has it very minimally in the right upper hand corners its not visible unless your looking at something pure black. Most lcds that I have seen have that in 4 corners as the flourecent lights leaks thru but that dell you posted the pictures of seems to have it excessivly. Im very happy with mine and would not trade it for anything else thats out now the light coming thru issue is barly visible to me and im used to it with other lcds.

 

[Sadhu]

Originally posted by: halcy
Anyone else having a problem with their 2005FPW backlights shining through VERY brightly at the corners? I have it happening at the top two corners, specifically the top right is really bad.

Thanks!

In the photo, how much of the light area on the left is supposed to be black? I'm not sure exactly what I'm seeing. Why don't you put up just a black screen so that I can tell how much leakage your getting. I think that way, more of us would know what we are seeing, and we would be able to judge just what we are seeing. When we see the image with the firl in the foreground, we don't really knwo what we are seeing because we don't know what's suppose to black or dark and what's not. Fore example, is the top right hand corner suppose to be very dark blue and all that highlight is leakage? If so, I can say for certain that I don't get on my FPw.

Can you just show us a solid dark background so we can respond more meaningfully?

Thanks.

 

[Sadhu]

Originally posted by: Fr0zen2k4
but that dell you posted the pictures of seems to have it excessivly. Im very happy with mine and would not trade it for anything else thats out now the light coming thru issue is barly visible to me and im used to it with other lcds.

Yes, I'm happy with mine also. Don't have this leakage problem. Also not a single dead pixel. Until I heard about this new leakage thread, I was beginning to think they had found some new breakthrough in quality control. Sorry to hear about this new issue. But even without you posting another photo, I'd advise you to call and arrange for an exchange Forwhile I can't say it's not the norm, I can say that it's present on my FPw.

 

[amol]

all i can say is . . .

ANANDTECH, PLEASE REVIEW THE 2005FPw!

 

[imported_halcy]

Originally posted by: Sadhu

Originally posted by: halcy
Anyone else having a problem with their 2005FPW backlights shining through VERY brightly at the corners? I have it happening at the top two corners, specifically the top right is really bad.

Thanks!

In the photo, how much of the light area on the left is supposed to be black? I'm not sure exactly what I'm seeing. Why don't you put up just a black screen so that I can tell how much leakage your getting. I think that way, more of us would know what we are seeing, and we would be able to judge just what we are seeing. When we see the image with the firl in the foreground, we don't really knwo what we are seeing because we don't know what's suppose to black or dark and what's not. Fore example, is the top right hand corner suppose to be very dark blue and all that highlight is leakage? If so, I can say for certain that I don't get on my FPw.

Can you just show us a solid dark background so we can respond more meaningfully?

Thanks.

I actually don't have a digital camera, I am just experiencing something VERY similar to what the poor bloke on hardforums is seeing. To clarify, there are supposed to be black bars at the top and bottom of the movie (since its a 16:9), and you can clearly see in the center at the top and bottom the bars are black and they get brighter (almost a blueish bright from his image, but in real life it gets to be a whiter glow) as you get towards the edges. NONE of the corners should have that blue glow emanating, it should be a smooth color transition across the full screen. The real obvious point is the black bars being that blueish/white.

So Sadhu your running dvi, and when you run a movie fullscreen with black bars you dont get brighter areas at any of your corners? I noticed this really bad when i was running down a hall in counterstrike source, it was kind of a dark hallway and up in my top and left corners it looked like there were lights shining down, but when i turned to look there were no lights, it was the glow from the backlights on the monitor. This is also EXTREMELY apparent during the loading screen of counterstrike source when your connecting to a server, or if you just have a really black image on your screen.

Please apprise so i know if I need to seek a refund or if its just a faulty monitor.

Thanks-

 

[Sadhu]

Originally posted by: halcy

Originally posted by: Sadhu

Originally posted by: halcy
Anyone else having a problem with their 2005FPW backlights shining through VERY brightly at the corners? I have it happening at the top two corners, specifically the top right is really bad.


So Sadhu your running dvi, and when you run a movie fullscreen with black bars you dont get brighter areas at any of your corners? I noticed this really bad when i was running down a hall in counterstrike source, it was kind of a dark hallway and up in my top and left corners it looked like there were lights shining down, but when i turned to look there were no lights, it was the glow from the backlights on the monitor. This is also EXTREMELY apparent during the loading screen of counterstrike source when your connecting to a server, or if you just have a really black image on your screen.

Please apprise so i know if I need to seek a refund or if its just a faulty monitor.

Thanks-

I run in the digital mode only. I don't run in analog at all. With regard to the problem with movies and light showing through ... I can't run a movie here to test. Even if I could, my movies run wide screen. I don't play games, and so there are no black bars down either side. But I also don't see why the black bars would prevent a different situation from just looking at a pure black desktop. I can tell you when I run the pure black desktop, there is no problem area where the light leaks through. It looks pretty much the same as the 2001FP ... pretty black in the corner with no real evidence of lights ... shinning down.

There are lot of users in this forum who have purchased or have FPw monitors on the way, who might be better equiped to duplicate what you are doing than I am. With any luck, some might chime in here soon.
For my part, I don't see a problem with the monitor. Black is black on my FPw. In fact, I'm pretty impressed with the level of black everywhere, even in the corners. For a monitor that I orginally thought could use a lot more saturation of color (and perhaps it's a tad less than the 2001FP ... which is great in this regard), all that said, the blacks on this FPw are pretty darn BLACK.

 

[BullishDad]

Finally received my 2005FPW today (ordered on 11/18). The box was in bad shape. Lots of tape and the cardboard was wrinkled badly on one side. Opened the box and the styrofoam was in pieces. When I noticed some scratches on the back of the panel, I didn't have to go any further. :|

Called Dell, told them what happened and asked how long to get a replacement. Initial response was 7-10 days. I protested and the rep said she would expedite it, but couldn't guarantee how fast due to availability. Bummed.