Dell new 20" wide LCD 2005FPW. Has anyone seen this beast?

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ponyo

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Originally posted by: nitromullet
I posted this in Hot Deals as well, but figured it was applicable to this thread...

$200 off Dell 2005FPW 20" in Dell Small Business

Brings it down to $599.

exp: 12/6/2004

http://www.dailyedeals.com/fre...line_coupons/dell.htm

That's OK deal but remember Dell Small Business charges tax to most people. Dell Home does not for most people. With 7% tax it comes out to $641 for me. Decent but not hot.

BTW, thank you for the 25% off Accessories code. I used it to order another BFG 6800 Ultra OC for $389 shipped. I plan on keeping that card and will use it in my main rig. Thanks again.
 

Gizmotion

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Sadhu -

I am curious if you have the backlighting problem in either of your Dell 20" LCD monitors. I am new to this forum - I found it in my search for reviews on the 2005FPW. During the Dell sale last week, I ordered both the 2001FP and the 2005FPW in order to see which one I liked better. I have only gotten the 2005 FPW so far and I thought it was beautiful until I read this thread and discovered that I too have a very noticable backlighting problem (actually I originally noticed it when I booted up for the first time with this monitor but was so astounded at the improvement over my old CRT I didn't take it to heart at the time).

I am a 3D artist and use 3D software such as 3D Studio Max and Lightwave, as well as a lot of Photoshop - all of which require quite a bit of screen real estate so I am anxious to compare the 2001FP to the wide screen 2005FPW. I will send back whichever monitor is less suitable for my needs.

Even though I don't play games or watch DVDs that frequently, I take this decision very seriously because $639 is a big deal for me and I want to make sure I am making the right choice as well as not accepting a defective product - after all - whatever monitor I chose is going to be my "eyes" for quite a long time.

I am asking for your feedback and advice - in general - but more specifically in regard to backlighting and overall quality control expectations?

Thanks.
 

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Originally posted by: Gizmotion
Sadhu -

During the Dell sale last week, I ordered both the 2001FP and the 2005FPW in order to see which one I liked better.
Thanks.

I have thought about doing this too - ordering both and sending back whichever one I dont like. How exactly would you do this? Would you just have to have 1 back within 30 days and pay the return shipping? Would that be the worst of it?

 

johnnyjay

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Could the backlight problem be caused by a loose bezel? Has anybody tried to fix it themselves?

If it's not fixable I might have to go with the 2001fp.
 

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Originally posted by: Gizmotion
Sadhu -

I am curious if you have the backlighting problem in either of your Dell 20" LCD monitors. I am new to this forum - I found it in my search for reviews on the 2005FPW. I am asking for your feedback and advice - in general - but more specifically in regard to backlighting and overall quality control expectations?

Thanks.

Attention: here's a LONG message from Sadhu. Please skip it unless you are still comparing the 2001FP and 2005FPw, or are otherwise against the idea of

1. improving your speed reading
2. improving your speed reading
3. improving your speed reading
4. all of the above

Well, you know, Gizmotion, I have recently gotten taken to task for many things I've said at this forum, so while I don't personally feel repressed and out of step with "the guys" here, even many of them feel I am, and even though I probably SHOULD, at the same time, I don't want to be a "troublemaker." Of course, as my daughter would say ... "Dad, what are you talking about! It's in your nature to be a troublemaker!"

So, anyway, most recently, it's been suggested that I out of step with forum members because ... of course EVERYONE wants to use the wide screen 2005FPw for "home theatre." Well, actually, you're the third person in just a week that's written to me or sent me a private message that isn't particulary interested in home theatre with their FPw, and the third person to have a some honest to goodness solid pc applications that demand a lot of real estate in order to WORK "productively" ("Work" - please imagine Manard G. Crebbs ... if you can).

I also use Photoshop, and usually have Dreamweaver open at the same time, and sometimes ... a live web site too and maybe a live Putty Telenet connection to the server, maybe an FTP window, and sometimes a task list, or a FREEDOM web site browser session. I work long hours, sadly, doing all this stuff, and having the larger screen ... aka roooom ... the extra tonage of real estate is a huge boon to getting further along in the course of a 14 to 17 hour day or work (again ... altogether now ... "WORK?!" ... people born in the late 50s and 60s ... and there after will look askance, and not get this comment at all, I know. Sorry but it was part of my youth and so drifts in moments like these.)

So here's the kicker. I, like you, also ordered several monitors from Dell at the same time, in order to find out for myself what would be good for ME, realizing that it was kind of nuts to ask other people in this forum, despite all their knowlege, and despite all their kindness and good intensions to help me decide ... (and there are lot of who wrote private messages in order to help ... thank you ... all) couldn't really tell me and my eyes what would be good for me. I had to find out for myself. So .. and I'm still getting to the "kicker," (sorry), and even though I'd planned to buy only one 20" monitor from the two I ordered to try, found that what I wanted and needed was two monitors. The EXTRA screen, which I hadn't been using until I got two Dell's side by side, turned out to reduce my work load by at least an hour or two per day (after I stopped staring and comparing the two of them all day long - grin), so that after not too long, it didn't seem EXTRA at all; it seemed kind of ... well ... essential.

So, I don't know what you will find, but I find that working in web development and programming, and having photoshop always running to grab an image and do something with it is not only easier with the bigger monitor ... it's easier with two monitors! Duh! What a revelation! I know many of you are really saying ... "Oh, this guy's a genious! What a brain!" Yes, I know. Kind of slow on the uptake, I am. But it's one thing to know it intellectually, and it's quite another to sit and use two monitors. It's really a lot LOT better, and spoils you VERY quickly. So, sadly, that's my BIG revelation, or one of them, after order two Dell monitors at the same time.

On the backlight issue, I'm in the dog house if I venture up an another opinion about this in the forum. I feel I have already kind of overstated my opinions here, which I think some people feel are invalid, and maybe, RIGHTLY so. After all, I don't have a real backlight problem as some have had. So I'm not in a position to say what I'd really do if I had one. I think I was one of the lucky ones. I have a fairly uniform screen. I'd say it's not as pitch black as it is on 19" Dell, but it is UNIFORM. I take it that many have no uniformity in the corners or left of center at the top and bottom. I don't have that. Also, I haven't any dead or stuck pixels (on the FPw). I got mine EARLY on, before the big wave started. I think it was on the 2nd or first day that they were offered. And mine came right away .. the very next day via Airborne.
If you want to hash it, or again ask me why I think the backlight issue is less important to me or you than it is to others in this forum, let's not do it here. Either send me a private message, or we can arrange to speak on the phone (a suprisingly economical way of getting down to it quickly).

I do have some opionions about what I prefer to work with. I tending to prefer two FP 2001s side by side rather than a mix of FP and FPw. I don't like dragging windows from the 2001FP and not having it fit in the FPw, which happened, surprisingly ... a lot. When people say they aren't the same the same size ... well, talk all you want about sq inch area and how it may not sound like a lot of difference, ... when you drag stuff from the 2001 to the 2005Fp ... it does NOT fit, and that's that. You have to resize.

Some of you are saying "Sadhu, hold on! You could just as easily use the wider screen as 'base camp' and take advantage of the WIDER screen to have more open on Photoshop at any one time ... side by side! In which case, Sadhu, my man, you'd be runnnig out of room on 2001FP which is skimpy on the width side of things. So what's the DIFF?" Right?

Well, now maybe it's me and my inablity to know exactly how to calibrate both of these two monitors, I don't know, but I haven't been able to feel that colors are true or as saturated as they should be on the FPw as they were on the FP. Colors are really nice on the FPw, don't get me wrong. And I know the contrast ration is supposed to be better on the FPw too. But I swear that color values ... when attempting to keep the whites ... well ... white on the FPw, are just not as true or as saturated as they are on the FP.
See what you think. Maybe you'll have more luck than me. If so, please write about it here, and let people know you think otherwise. Still, when I look at web site, and know what color brown the BG color is supposed to be, and I see that it's not saturated enough and too light, it propells me to work in Photoshop more on the FP rather than the FPw. It's probably just crazy 'ol me. It probably doesn't bother ANYBODY else. But again, that's exactly why I ordered BOTH monitors ... so that I could see what I preferred rather than just not knowing. Since I'm still feeling that the color saturation might be more trustworthy on the 2001, I'm still doing most of my main work on the 2001. When I do that, and when I drag stuff to the 2005 ... well the 2005 is too small, and the windows don't fit, and I have to resize. "And that's the story of how we flew over the Atlantic Ocean" (Night at the Opera, Marx Brothers).

Of course, if you cant' decide which you like better, consider keeping them both IF you can afford it. I know it may seem like a ton of money to some, but spent about that on my upgrade to MX Studio 2004 last time, and it seems like a better investment than many. Also, you can slowly write it off your taxes over time.

It's only $300 more than the Samsung 21 inch monitor, and it gives you a lot more space in which to work. If you get your FPs for a discount, the difference might even be less than that. Two monitors are really a lot better than one. When you work with them both, side by side, you'll see that's true. You might not want to go back to just haveing one. I sure didn't. It's probably for that reason that I would consider buying a 23 inch monitor just now. Good ones, like the HP, cost about $1700, and I'm much rather have either two 20" Dells side by side for the extra room to work in, then have the 23 inch monitor. I know that I'm in the minority here, because many want to play games and or watch movies. But for the non-Manard G. Crebbs folks, and I'm afraid, I'm one of them, two monitors really make work a lot easier. "Work!?"

- Sadhu.



 

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"have either two 20" Dells side by side for the extra room to work in, then have the 23 inch monitor"

Amen to that. "tile windows horizontaly" or verticaly never works for me. I always maximize what I am on. At work I have a great 21" LCD (samsung) and I recently got a cheap 17" dell to go with it side by side (nice that the Lattitude D800 will do dual external monitors). Work is so much easier with being able to throw stuff I need 'up' on the 17" monitor.

Right now at home I have a pretty nice plannar 19" PXsomething but I still dragged my p.o.s Nec Multisync XV17 out of the garage so I can have instant messaging up (full screen 800x600 works swell) while I am playing full-screen games.

The thing with dual monitors is, it's about expanding your worksspace not just expanding your resolution. With my dual monitor software I can right click and decide which monitor to put stuff on. With a high res dispaly I can't right click/display in quadrant one or something, you need to manually manipulate stuff, a real pain in the neck....

As useful as the 17" CRT is, the image quality is annoying the heck out of me, hense me trolling for LCD deals here on anandtech

Another thing on dual monitors (I know way off topic) but NVIDIA dual monitor support is better than ATI's hydravision. Again with ATI it's the @%@#% drivers.....

 

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Sadu-

Thanks for your feedback. I can't afford to keep both monitors and in addition my NVidia card has one analog and one digital output. I would never run one of these monitors on an anolog signal and in addition to the cost of a second monior, I'd have to buy a new video card.

I am anxiously awaiting the arrival of the 2001FP so I can finally be done with this difficult decision making process. If it has no dead pixels I will probably go with that one since I probably need the extra screen real estate and send the 200FPW back. (I have to admit that I like the way the stand looks better on the 2005FPW; the older design on the 2001FP looks like a black weiner standing on a silver doughnut. But function is more important than form in this instance.)

As an aside, Maynerd G. Krebs was an important icon of my youth. I am 51 and I understand all of your generational allusions. What I am wondering is if you are one of the few who remember the disturbing apparition known as the Banana Man from early Capt. Kangeroo.:shocked:

Amheck -

You have 21 days to return stuff to Dell. You are responsible for return shipping fees.
 

ponyo

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Once you go Dual Monitor, you never go back! That's the truth! My only regret is that I didn't use dual screens sooner. It would have saved me lot of time, money, and aggrevations.

Regarding backlight issues, almost all LCD screens I've seen have some sort of light leakage. All the laptops I've seen has it. My 2001FP has very minor leakage near the corners. You can only see it when you're watching a movie and even then it doesn't bother me unless I'm staring directly at it.

I bet you most people who buy these LCDs don't even notice the problem. Only when they read about it in forums like this do they check and become obsess over it. It's same thing with dead pixels.

It seems whenever new Dell LCDs come out people report these problems. It was the same end of last year when I first got my 2001FP. People in the forums were returning it left and right because of the backlight issues and dead pixels. Couple people I know returned 6-7 monitors to get their "perfect" one. Really insane. This year it seems like people are doing it to 2005FP. I wonder how much Dell lost on these units just on shipping alone.
 
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Originally posted by: Naustica
Once you go Dual Monitor, you never go back! That's the truth! My only regret is that I didn't use dual screens sooner. It would have saved me lot of time, money, and aggrevations.

Regarding backlight issues, almost all LCD screens I've seen have some sort of light leakage. All the laptops I've seen has it. My 2001FP has very minor leakage near the corners. You can only see it when you're watching a movie and even then it doesn't bother me unless I'm staring directly at it.

I bet you most people who buy these LCDs don't even notice the problem. Only when they read about it in forums like this do they check and become obsess over it. It's same thing with dead pixels.

It seems whenever new Dell LCDs come out people report these problems. It was the same end of last year when I first got my 2001FP. People in the forums were returning it left and right because of the backlight issues and dead pixels. Couple people I know returned 6-7 monitors to get their "perfect" one. Really insane. This year it seems like people are doing it to 2005FP. I wonder how much Dell lost on these units just on shipping alone.

True but its their own fault for having low QA standards.. there's absolutely nothing wrong with a customer demanding a monitor that doesn't have any 'problems' with it. Especially if you spend an awful lot of time in front of it. Theres days when I spend easily 12 hours in front of mine, if i've got any dead pixels or backlight leakage its going to drive me crazy.
 

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I will order either the 2001 (most likely) or the 2005 (less likely) next week. As they have S-Video connection, I wil also use it with with my XBOX. Will I have to change some monitor settings when I use it with the XBOX?

When you run 2 monitors, do you have to use the same resolution for both monitors? I will probably keep my old 17 inch LCD as a second monitor but would not want to use it at 1600 X 1200.
 

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No, you can do independent resolutions... I run one at 1400x1050 and the 2005fpw at 1680x1050 fine. :) But I only turn one on at a time when doing 3D.
 

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Originally posted by: Gizmotion
Sadu-

I am anxiously awaiting the arrival of the 2001FP so I can finally be done with this difficult decision making process. If it has no dead pixels I will probably go with that one since I probably need the extra screen real estate and send the 200FPW back. (I have to admit that I like the way the stand looks better on the 2005FPW; the older design on the 2001FP looks like a black weiner standing on a silver doughnut. But function is more important than form in this instance.)

As an aside, Maynerd G. Krebs was an important icon of my youth. I am 51 and I understand all of your generational allusions. What I am wondering is if you are one of the few who remember the disturbing apparition known as the Banana Man from early Capt. Kangeroo.:shocked:

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Well, you know, it's really a difficult decision, and I think made more difficult when you have them both and see both their strengths side by side. I don't expect you have to have a quick and sudden revelation over this comparisson. I don't think that's how it was for me, and I suspect, it's not that way for others either. I also suspect we could all come to different conclusions, and each of us would have some valid reasons for picking a different model. So I'd be surprised if finally getting them will make it easy for you to make your selection. Each has some very good things to offer, though not necessarily the same things.

On the monitor stands:

I know the weight of the two is somewhat similar with the 2001FP weighing in a little heavier (not much though). But it seems that the stand is heftier and sligthly better (more professional looking ... at least to me). I can sort of see what you mean by your comments on the stand ... the stand of the 2005FPw having a slightly more modern look ... perhaps. My previous career as a 24 Track recording engineer during the 1970s however, put me in touch with a lot of gear ... a lot of professional recording gear (back before all this small home digital studio stuff was even glint in some inventors eye). To me, when I look and feel the two stands (moving it and lifting it, etc., I feel the heftier bigger stand on the 2001FP seems more professional ... at least to me. I don't think I'm alone in saying this. I believe others who have seen both stands like the 2001FP stand, and also think it could be thought of as a less "cheap" stand. To the touch and feel, the 2005FP seems less solid and less sturdy.

I do want to make one comment that some of you can already confirm, and some of you should go check out for yourselves. This afternoon I was at the BIG local shopping mall that has a Apple Computer store. I went in to price some memory for my daughter's Powerbook. While there, my eye caught the new Apple Cinema displays, and so I went over to take a closer look at them ... since I've been looking a lot lately at the Dell monitors and talking to lot of people about them, both in Forums and in real life (some of my clients have been calling me for my opinions since word travels fast in this town about about the ol' Sadhu, and what he's (i'm) up to.

I first tried to check out the smaller display, the one that's the size of 2005FP. I couldn't really do that. Because the computer wasn't allowing me to get bast the desktop. But then I walked over to bigger one, and took a look. For the first time, I was able to look at more than just a movie on the display (at CompUSA all they ever display is a movie ... or so it seems), and now, I was able to take a look at a few text applications.

Before I comment further, I just want to say that I love the size of the big Apple Cinema display. If size was everything, I'd love them ... but I'd probably still end up buying two anyway. Anyway, size is great, and it's almost big enough to watch movies on ... for me ... almost but not quite.

Anyway, not to get off topic here ... I finally got to see some text applications. And so, for the first time, I was able to judge the quality and readibility of the text. Granted, I use Clear Type on my Dells, but even so, even if there was no Clear Type on, I'd have to say that the formation of the type was very poor and almost awful on the Cinema displays. In short, I was terribly disappointed at the quality. Then I bright up iTunes, since I have that application on my own computers. No matter what I looked at, I could get over the impression that things just look cleaner, crisper and sharper and much snapier on the Dell 2001FP and the Dell 2005FPW.

It was so bad, folks, that old Sadhu had to put on his glasses, because he just couldn't believe it. But sure enough, even with his BEST glasses on his head (and he tried three pair of glasses ... always travel with more than one pair ... always), even with the best most professional pair of glasses, this new stylish Apple Cinema display did not look at clean, as crisp and as snappy as the the Dell monitors. And I mean, it's no contest, folks!

You should all go take a look next time you are in an Apple store, and can look at applications (not just movies). Take a look at how badly formed the type is. How some of the characters actually don't even look properly formed or completely formed. It's surprising. I think those of you who haven't done this will have a new found respect for Dell monitors.
 

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Originally posted by: Gizmotion
Sadu-



As an aside, Maynerd G. Krebs was an important icon of my youth. I am 51 and I understand all of your generational allusions. What I am wondering is if you are one of the few who remember the disturbing apparition known as the Banana Man from early Capt. Kangeroo.:shocked:

Can't say that I remember Banana Man. Not that Maynard or Bob Denver is in my consciousness all that much. For example, I don't answer the phone with "You RANG?" or anything like that, or even say the word ... WORK, all that much either. It's just that as an former California hippie (life in California was good in the sixties), and as someone that later moved to Woodstock, and lived there for sometime, playing and recording music, and not really doing much else for a very long time, including not doing what I know call WORK, I'm now surprised continually surprised how many hours a day I sit in front of this blasted computer. And, at such times, that the amazement catches up with my hetic schedule, and suddenly I think of Maynard with his famous one word commentary, and that makes me laugh ... at myself, and at how much life has changed since ... the good ol' days.
 

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One reason the text looks so poor on the Apple Cinema displays is that the PowerMacs (aside from the premium dual 2.5GHz machine) come equipped with a stock GeForce FX5200 video card. As the Extremetech DVI compliance testing article Naustica very helpfully posted shows, the FX5200 series in general have very poor DVI performance compared to other cards since they all seem to have a sub-par TMDS transmitter integrated into the GeForce chipset itself. On a 20.1 inch LCD like the 2001FP/2005FPW the limitations of the card might not be an issue, but when you move up to the 23" Apple cinema display the higher 1920x1200 resolution is probably a bit more than the transmitter can handle without the image quality degrading.

At least it isn't as bad as my local Fry's which got a display model of the 30" cinema display but neglected to get a matching 6800DDL, so the monitor is running in non-native resolution off of a FX5200-eqipped Mac. And that monitor doesn't scale nearly as nice as the 2005PFW, so it basically looks like an ugly pixellated mess no one in their right mind would want to pay $3300 for if they didn't know it was running off the wrong graphics card.

As far as my 2005FPW, I have a hint of backlight bleed in the upper right and corner and a few stuck pixels, but honestly I don't see either during normal use. I probably wouldn't have noticed the bleed at all had it not been mentioned here. Even watching DVDs (and my weekly does of widescreen Battlestar Galactica episodes off of BitTorrent) the faint bleed doesn't bother me that much since the picture almost completely fills the widescreen display.
 

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Originally posted by: batmanuel
One reason the text looks so poor on the Apple Cinema displays is that the PowerMacs (aside from the premium dual 2.5GHz machine) come equipped with a stock GeForce FX5200 video card. As the Extremetech DVI compliance testing article Naustica very helpfully posted shows, the FX5200 series in general have very poor DVI performance compared to other cards since they all seem to have a sub-par TMDS transmitter integrated into the GeForce chipset itself. On a 20.1 inch LCD like the 2001FP/2005FPW the limitations of the card might not be an issue, but when you move up to the 23" Apple cinema display the higher 1920x1200 resolution is probably a bit more than the transmitter can handle without the image quality degrading.


The degradtation was inbelievable. Thanks for explaination! Can't believe the Apple store shows the monitor with the wrong video card, but ... that must be it. It's weird because the rent for the Apple store must be eight times my mortage ... it's such a huge place ... about the size of two basketball courts. So you'd think they could spring for the right video card. Amazing.
 

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Originally posted by: Naustica

That's OK deal but remember Dell Small Business charges tax to most people. Dell Home does not for most people. With 7% tax it comes out to $641 for me. Decent but not hot.

BTW, thank you for the 25% off Accessories code. I used it to order another BFG 6800 Ultra OC for $389 shipped. I plan on keeping that card and will use it in my main rig. Thanks again.

You ordered a 6800 from Dell? I can't seem to find any nvidia cards above a 5700 on the site. I wouldn't normally buy a video card from dell but applying a 25% coupon and possibly a stackable might just push the price down enough...
 

ponyo

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Originally posted by: hyde
Originally posted by: Naustica

That's OK deal but remember Dell Small Business charges tax to most people. Dell Home does not for most people. With 7% tax it comes out to $641 for me. Decent but not hot.

BTW, thank you for the 25% off Accessories code. I used it to order another BFG 6800 Ultra OC for $389 shipped. I plan on keeping that card and will use it in my main rig. Thanks again.

You ordered a 6800 from Dell? I can't seem to find any nvidia cards above a 5700 on the site. I wouldn't normally buy a video card from dell but applying a 25% coupon and possibly a stackable might just push the price down enough...


Dell pulled the card from the site. They were losing money on the deal. I got in on two cards before they pulled it. I wanted to order a third for $375 but I didn't have another 25% code.
 

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Originally posted by: Naustica


Dell pulled the card from the site. They were losing money on the deal. I got in on two cards before they pulled it. I wanted to order a third for $375 but I didn't have another 25% code.

Darnit... Thanks for the info.
 

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Originally posted by: Sadhu

The degradtation was inbelievable. Thanks for explaination! Can't believe the Apple store shows the monitor with the wrong video card, but ... that must be it. It's weird because the rent for the Apple store must be eight times my mortage ... it's such a huge place ... about the size of two basketball courts. So you'd think they could spring for the right video card. Amazing.

That's the weird thing about Apple machines that keeps me from being an Apple user. Their OS is great and they processors are also quite nice (although not quite the amazing piece of work the A64 is in my opinion), but the rest of the base configuration PowerMac is not all that hot. You have an 80GB hard drive, 256MB of PC3200 RAM (dual channel too, so you are stuck with two 128MB sticks that you basically have to sell on eBay for $20 if you are lucky), a single-layer DVD-RW format only optical drive and the cheapest graphics card they could find that supports Core Image. $1500 doesn't buy you a lot of computer. The iMac is the only computer they sell that even approaches semi-rational pricing. I know they have to stay in business and they can't charge the commodity prices that Dell does, but my charity only goes so far. I miss the old PowerMacs that were truly worthy of the name and had some really impressive hardware inside.
 

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Just placed my order. $588 shipped to my house. Not bad considering I had to pay tax!
I hope this thing comes with no dead pixels, or back light issues.