Dell motherboards are simply bizarre.

pantsaregood

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I recently purchased a Visiontek Radeon HD3450 (900302) for an old Dell Dimension 4500S. It is currently running a Geforce FX5200. Yes, the card in question is a PCI card. It is the best "officially" compatible card according to Dell's upgrade advisor.

The card, however, does not work. The system will not do so much as POST when the card is inserted. I can't see this being a power supply issue, given that the FX5200 (which works fine) installed in the system lists the same "minimum" power supply requirement, and actually uses more power than an HD3450. Unless the card is dead (doubtful), then I doubt anything can be done to correct this. The card is passively cooled and low power in general, so I have no real way of telling if it is receiving power.

The card is definitely not dead. If I boot into Windows with the default display device set to "onboard," the video card installs but can't be used. If I attempt to boot using the "auto" option, the computer completely fails to boot. Something about the BIOS doesn't agree with the video card in question: it obviously recognizes it as a display adapter, but fails to properly output to it.

The BIOS even recognizes the device as an ATI Video Card. I have no idea what's up.

The card was inserted in tandem with the FX5200. The system POSTed and booted without issue. Windows installed the HD3450 and allowed it to be used to extend the display. Removing the FX5200 immediately resulted in a failure to POST.

The motherboard is some random Dell board, chipset is i845. If anyone has any ideas here, you're welcome to throw them at me. In case I didn't mention it, the integrated GPU will not let me extend my display like the FX5200 will.
 

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i don't know if i've ever heard of motherboard bios identifying a video card. maybe you're seeing the video bios?

try pulling the 5200, hard resetting the bios, then putting in the 3450? could be some conflict with shared memory
 

pantsaregood

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I suppose the BIOS reads the video BIOS identification message and displays it. It definitely reads "ATI graphics adapter."
 

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I had this happen several times with Dell Dimension 4500 PCs several years ago. I didn't ever get a direct answer from Dell about it, but my experience with them was that the system would not boot with anything newer than a Radeon 9000. As you mentioned, the POST process did identify the video card(s) that I tested when it worked properly, so I suspect that the BIOS for that model for some inexplicable reason (probably made sense to the designers at the time) simply won't boot unless it recognizes the video card that is installed as the primary display device.
 

pantsaregood

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Because for what the PC is used for, it is perfectly fine. A 3.06 GHz Northwood, 2GB of PC2100, and an FX5200 can run Windows 7 surprisingly wel. The FX5200, likely due to poor driver support, has a very hard time with Aero at 1920x1080.
 

Pneumothorax

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A Fusion HTPC board with 2 gb ram for $120 will smoke that northwood with a $99 PCI vid card if you can get your mobo/vid card combo to work.
 

pantsaregood

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I haven't seen a non-universal PCI card of any kind in years. It should, theoretically, work fine on both 5V and 3.3v.

I'm fairly certain Dell just has some random problem with their garbage BIOS.
 

Pneumothorax

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I haven't seen a non-universal PCI card of any kind in years. It should, theoretically, work fine on both 5V and 3.3v.

I'm fairly certain Dell just has some random problem with their garbage BIOS.

Well for $7 that's a worthy try. Maybe some enterprising individuals have hacked the bios like they did with the stupid HP/Thinkpad Bioses that would prevent you from using 3rd party wifi cards.
 

pantsaregood

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I had an 8400GS PCI as well. It didn't work, but with it things failed immediately after the PC POSTed.

Both cards will install in Windows if I use the FX5200 onboard video to display. There is no way to make the cards display with the IGP, and when I extend the display with the FX5200 onto the 8400 or 3450, it seems the 5200 does all of the processing.