Dell Lightning Windows 7 phone

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

I agree 100%, but it's not hard to hire a design team who knows how to make an ascetically pleasing device. I would never take form over function. But getting both shouldn't be that hard. This is what Apple excels at, and honestly I'm not sure why so many other companies have a problem here. My 1st gen iPhone still looks better than any current phone. Pretty sad that in 4 years nobody else could come up with something better. Thankfully Dell won't be the only company making a WM7 handset. So the odds of having one that doesn't look like total ass is decent.

Hey but the iPhone lacks functionality! LoL. JK. Apple's just slow at getting there. But as said before, I do appreciate Apple's refinement of each of its OS features. I do like it. When you make a feature you should make it the best. Like Expose, mobile browser, touchscreen interface, soft keyboard...

 

[dwell]

Microsoft already has a marketplace with Windows Mobile 6.x, obviously it needs to be redone for an entirely new OS. Its ironic that you chastise them for not having an app store on the Zune, but now that they're adding one, you brush it off like its not big deal.

It would have been tough to start an app store when the Zune HD was released, but not trying to do one this late in the game? Come on.

Anyway, you're kidding yourself if you think the iPhone is going to reach iPod like marketshare. They are nowhere even close to that right now, and while their growth has stagnated (admittedly that will change this summer),

If that's stagnation, everyone is in trouble when they hit Verizon and do a product refresh.

RIM and Android are continuing to grow. How are you leaving RIM completely out of that picture? They are currently on top of US marketshare by a healthy margin and are continuing to grow.

RIM really does not have product that matches the iPhone. The iPhone sold more units last quarter alone than Android has in its lifetime.

edit: and in other threads you've called the Zune a complete failure because its not #1 - so by your own logic, you must consider the iPhone is a monumental failure as well.

Not #1? Zune was 1.1% of the MP3 player market. Absolute and utter failure.

 

[QueBert]

Lets step back a second.

Your gripe with this phone is the buttons. You are aghast that someone would actually put buttons on a phone. You claim you're going to try other WP7 devices that will hopefully not "look like total ass".

You realize that it is a requirement of WP7 to have those 3 buttons?

I did not know it was a requirement, well knowing that I won't be getting a WM7 phone. For the record I found the buttons the least ugly part of the Dell, the entire phone looks like ass.

 

[Anubis]

you have a very strange irrational dislike of buttons. I think they all look fine :\

the people i know who are on a BB and want to move to an android based phone think that the smoke is the best thing since sliced bread. They like the thunder as well but dont want a winmo phone

 

[Deeko]

It would have been tough to start an app store when the Zune HD was released, but not trying to do one this late in the game? Come on.

This doesn't even make sense. You act like you're giving them a pass on the ZuneHD app store, which you certainly did not. You're changing the nature of your argument to fit your current anti-Microsoft stance.

If that's stagnation, everyone is in trouble when they hit Verizon and do a product refresh.

I said market share, not sales. Reading comprehension, sport. 25% of the US market is nowhere even close to the iPod's penetration.

RIM really does not have product that matches the iPhone. The iPhone sold more units last quarter alone than Android has in its lifetime.

And yet, despite "not having a product to match the iPhone" in your eyes, they are continuing to outsell Apple, and their (already significantly higher) market share continues to grow. As for Android, they have over doubled their market share since Droid was released in February, with no signs fo that increase slowing down & new devices on the way.

Not #1? Zune was 1.1% of the MP3 player market. Absolute and utter failure.

A) Recent source on that market share data?
B) You have, when its convenient to you, blasted anything (not just Zune) if it isn't #1 in its market. While utterly ignoring the fact that in many markets, Apple is quite far from #1. You quietly ignore or change the subject there. Funny how that works.

 

[rudeguy]

Q...you crack me up. While I don't think I can recall even one time when I have agreed with you, I have never seen you back down from your opinions. You are either completely arogant or you really believe what you say.

Either way...I think you are an old fart who needs to go back to watching his Curtis Mathis and leave us young bucks alone.

 

[dwell]

This doesn't even make sense. You act like you're giving them a pass on the ZuneHD app store, which you certainly did not. You're changing the nature of your argument to fit your current anti-Microsoft stance.

I don't see how. Coming out with an App Store 2.5 years after the competition is suicide. Android Market is having a hard enough time getting developer support, how's a Johnny-come-lately going to net out?

I said market share, not sales. Reading comprehension, sport. 25% of the US market is nowhere even close to the iPod's penetration.

25% on one carrier is pretty impressive.

A) Recent source on that market share data?

http://www.macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/12126/

Under 3% over the holidays. No Zune HD numbers from MS. Fail.

 

[Deeko]

I don't see how. Coming out with an App Store 2.5 years after the competition is suicide. Android Market is having a hard enough time getting developer support, how's a Johnny-come-lately going to net out?

First off - the Android Market is having trouble? What? The Market has been growing very rapidly since Droid launched. You can't make up your mind on where you want to go with this app argument - you change what you're saying every post.

Secondly - Android was "Johnny come lately" too and they've done well enough. They're giving app developers plenty of time with the SDK before the devices actually launch, of course it isn't going to have 100k out the door, but to write it off is just foolish. Lets not forget that Apple was "Johnny come lately" in the smartphone market, too.

25% on one carrier is pretty impressive.

No one said it wasn't. However, that's not what you said before. Again changing what you're saying to fit the current post.

A) Recent source on that market share data?

http://www.macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/12126/

Under 3% over the holidays. No Zune HD numbers from MS. Fail.

Hmmm - 2.8% is quite a bit higher than 1.1%. Nearly triple. Not great numbers, but still signficantly different. Not to mention that data is four months old and does not include the biggest retailers. Its also really just a side bar from the fact that in some cases, you claim anything under 1st place is failure, but when Apple isn't, you find excuses or ignore it.

 

[Deeko]

Alright, I apologize for letting the troll suck me in again. This thread has nothing to do with iPod or Zune marketshare, or the iPhone, or anything like that, so I am going to stop responding to posts that don't have to do with the Dell Lightning.

 

[Reliant]

Looks pretty slick, can't wait to have it replace my Storm as my work cell.

 

[rudeguy]

Alright, I apologize for letting the troll suck me in again. This thread has nothing to do with iPod or Zune marketshare, or the iPhone, or anything like that, so I am going to stop responding to posts that don't have to do with the Dell Lightning.

I want to have the Thunder's babies

 

[dwell]

First off - the Android Market is having trouble? What? The Market has been growing very rapidly since Droid launched. You can't make up your mind on where you want to go with this app argument - you change what you're saying every post.

I am talking with developers frustration with the Android Market due to piracy and Android owners reluctance to actually pay for apps:

http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/iphone_users_more_willing_to_pay_for_apps_-_but_do.php

Mplayit, a Facebook-based mobile app store, just released some interesting new data about people's willingness to pay for mobile apps. According to Mplayit's report, about one-third of users across all the major mobile platforms (iPhone, Android, BlackBerry) are interested in paid apps. iPhone users are the most willing to pay for some of their apps (57&#37, followed by BlackBerry users (33%). Android users are the least likely to be interested in paid apps (16%).

If I were developing a mobile app today, would I go for the iPhone with 15% of the smartphone market and over 50% of the userbase willing to pay for apps, or Android with 5% of the market and less than 20% of that willing to pay for apps? Not a tough choice and the Apple App Store proves it.

Secondly - Android was "Johnny come lately" too and they've done well enough. They're giving app developers plenty of time with the SDK before the devices actually launch, of course it isn't going to have 100k out the door, but to write it off is just foolish. Lets not forget that Apple was "Johnny come lately" in the smartphone market, too.

Apple App Store: 7/2008
Android Market: 10/2008
Windows 7 Phone Marketplace: Q4 2010

Android was four months behind Apple. Windows 7 Phone Marketplace will 2.5 years behind. Big difference.

Hmmm - 2.8% is quite a bit higher than 1.1%. Nearly triple. Not great numbers, but still signficantly different. Not to mention that data is four months old and does not include the biggest retailers. Its also really just a side bar from the fact that in some cases, you claim anything under 1st place is failure, but when Apple isn't, you find excuses or ignore it.

2.8% is less than a month's worth of data. I'll look for recent long-term data when I have more time, but seriously, praising sub-5% marketshare is pathetic. Again, this is because Microsoft was a Johnny-come-lately, releasing the Zune five years after the iPod entered the market. I can't picture a more optimistic fate for Windows 7 Series, especially considering the smartphone market already has its share of 800 pound gorillas.

 

[Deeko]

*sigh* I'm glad I already publicly stated I won't be continuing that argument, because its more of the same...shifting arguments, changing points, lots of fluff, little to do with anything.

Tech crunch isn't buying that these are actual products, they might just be internal concepts:

http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/04/...es/#more-30038

They raise some valid points, although I might disagree with some of it. For example - I thought chassis 2 was just sliding QWERTY, I didn't think they actually specified if it had to be vertical or landscape. Also, it does have 8GB of memory according to these specs...just in a strange combination of flash + nonremovable internal SD card.

Anyway, these are clearly renders and not photos of actual hardware - so I'm sure we can expect some changes between now and release - but that doesn't mean they don't carry more weight than Tech Crunch is seemingly willing to give.

 

[hanoverphist]

aesthetic beauty is definitely in the eye of the beholder. personally i think all kinds of phones look better than the iphone. my omnia, for one. it also fits in my hand better, doesnt require me to shift much to reach the whole screen with one thumb. it sits flat on the table without moving, so i can stab at it without it moving around too much, unlike the iphone. mine has the send/ end buttons as well as a touch thingie in the middle, but the design to me was well done and unobtrusive. the dell phone doesnt do a bad job at hiding the buttons, and possibly toning down the brightness of the text/ icons on the buttons in the renders would make it look even better.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Anyway, these are clearly renders and not photos of actual hardware - so I'm sure we can expect some changes between now and release - but that doesn't mean they don't carry more weight than Tech Crunch is seemingly willing to give.

Yeah, the author of the Tech Crunch piece is really just clarifying something that becomes apparent when you think about it for a bit. Of course we have no idea how far along any of the Dell designs are. There might be non-functional or semi-functional prototypes somewhere in Dell's HQ. The renders point us in the direction Dell is heading with smartphones, but they're not exactly what we will see in the next 6-12 months. They'll probably look at least somewhat similar, but anything could change.

One thing I noticed was the lack of home, menu, and back buttons on the Smoke.

 

[onza]

This phone looks pretty sweet!

Also - DEEKO U R BAD PURSUN AND I'M NOT A TROLLING!

 

[lupi]

he most likely has a GOV job or works for a company that wont let you have cellphones with cameras in them. We cant, you can actually get fired on the spot for simply having them unless you sign the wavier that says they can search your phone/SD card for pics whenever they want and if you have pics of anything work related on their your out on your ass

in terms of the Dell phones, both looks nice, however i wish the one with the hardware KB would be avail with android as well, the moto being the only VZ android phone with a real KB is somewhat annoying.

during a recent gaming session, a friend of mine who works for a similar company said that after several people were caught on site with camera phones (some fired, some given probation), they decided to have the current new employee class have all the attendees show their cell phones. Needless to say, the majority had camera phones and were given the option to quit or have disciplinary letters placed in their yet to be created personnel folders.