Dell and AMD?
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Sunny129
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yeah, i didnt quite understand that either. since when does Via make chips other than mobo chipsets. Via CPU? i dont exactly know what that means. but as far as the Dell and AMD issue goes, this should be quite interesting. up until now, Dell has used Intel CPUs and Intel mobos exclusively.
I got a feeling that Via could be making Mobo chips which work with Intel CPUs? I think that the guy made a mistake, typing, or maybe just wasn't thinking... But Via to my knowledge only make Mobo chipsets.
Albert.
Albert.
Yes VIA now owns the Cyrix line of chips. Can't imagine Dell would be interested in those, hell nobody is interested in those. Maybe they know something we don't!?!
they sure did, I don't think Dell will be putting cyrix cpu's in their systems anytime soon(or ever)!
Seems to me that Dell going with Cyrix/VIA chips would just be a slap in AMD's face. no real business reason to go with number 3 when number 1 and number 2 could blow them out in a heartbeat.
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digger, thanks for the link. it turns out i did in fact read that article not too long ago. i just failed to notice that VIA owns the Cyrix name now. at any rate, new .15 micron technology is certainly a first...do you guys think that Dell might be investing in these new CPUs?
Actually, they aren't available. The current Cyrix III are based on a .18 die.
Even according to Viahardware's preview of the Cyrix III .15 cpu, it is outperformed by the Celeron, and outpriced by the Duron. Why any OEM would use a Cyrix III is beyond me.
Even according to Viahardware's preview of the Cyrix III .15 cpu, it is outperformed by the Celeron, and outpriced by the Duron. Why any OEM would use a Cyrix III is beyond me.
Mindless speclations.... no proof at all.. This guy is dreaming.
Intel & Dell - might as well have been carved in an ol' oak tree.
Intel & Dell - might as well have been carved in an ol' oak tree.
That dude is on crack. He bases much of his speculation on Dell's Chinese market strategy, yet he obviously isn't aware of the mega agreement between China and Intel. Practically a guarantee that any Chinese Dell's will have Intel Inside. Although I don't doubt that a VIA chipset may be on the mobos. Intel didn't settle their lawsuit with VIA for no good reason. VIA=Intel's way of skirting RAMBUST ...
<< Seems to me that Dell going with Cyrix/VIA chips would just be a slap in AMD's face. >>
As opposed to the cuddly relationship they have now?
[edit]OMG!!! I just went to that site linked above, and it tried to put about 15 cookies on my system FOR JUST ONE PAGE! (I turned on the cookie prompt thing.) That's just insane.
The Cyrix processors definately stinks, but the supposed price here in the U.S. is irrelevant. Why they don't even try to price them to move a little bit is beyond me, but those things are supposed to be going for like nothing in the far east.
This is hearsay of course (as are most comments regarding China) but there is supposed to be a demand over there for the technological equivilant of a sweatshop. That is to say, tons of machines that perform low-end data-entry and some office applications. Since you could pretty much do that with an old 486 it doesn't matter that the Cyrix stinks. It is also rumored that they are selling them to the asian market for like a dollar or something. (Exaggeration for emphasis, but they could probably sell them for a quarter and still make a profit.)
I think it's hard for us to really conceive of just how tremendous the profit margin in the U.S. market really is. In the early 90's I was working at a freight company where a pallet of IBM "computer chips", as they called them, was severely damaged by the forklift. When it was reportded to me I took the bill to our damage clerk. My mouth dropped open when I looked at it. $1,400,000!
:Q
So I gave it to the damage clerk and asked her, "Why didn't we have this pallet on a truck by itself? We should've had it braced and locked down and padded and given special instructions for everyone to handle it with kid gloves!"
She said, "No, no, it's not that big of a deal. We never accept shipments with any single pallet over $5000 in value." So I was like, "What do you mean? The bill says 1.4 million dollars!". She arched an eyebrow and said, "Yeah, that's what they are selling it for." I said, "But..." She nodded, "Yep, we don't accept single pallets worth more than $5000. That's what this pallet is worth to IBM."
Now that's a proffit margin. Can you imagine the profit margins Intel and even AMD make? We think VIA is like this poor little downtroddent niche market company compared to the big boys, but they're making a killing as well.
This is hearsay of course (as are most comments regarding China) but there is supposed to be a demand over there for the technological equivilant of a sweatshop. That is to say, tons of machines that perform low-end data-entry and some office applications. Since you could pretty much do that with an old 486 it doesn't matter that the Cyrix stinks. It is also rumored that they are selling them to the asian market for like a dollar or something. (Exaggeration for emphasis, but they could probably sell them for a quarter and still make a profit.)
I think it's hard for us to really conceive of just how tremendous the profit margin in the U.S. market really is. In the early 90's I was working at a freight company where a pallet of IBM "computer chips", as they called them, was severely damaged by the forklift. When it was reportded to me I took the bill to our damage clerk. My mouth dropped open when I looked at it. $1,400,000!
:Q
So I gave it to the damage clerk and asked her, "Why didn't we have this pallet on a truck by itself? We should've had it braced and locked down and padded and given special instructions for everyone to handle it with kid gloves!"
She said, "No, no, it's not that big of a deal. We never accept shipments with any single pallet over $5000 in value." So I was like, "What do you mean? The bill says 1.4 million dollars!". She arched an eyebrow and said, "Yeah, that's what they are selling it for." I said, "But..." She nodded, "Yep, we don't accept single pallets worth more than $5000. That's what this pallet is worth to IBM."
Now that's a proffit margin. Can you imagine the profit margins Intel and even AMD make? We think VIA is like this poor little downtroddent niche market company compared to the big boys, but they're making a killing as well.
Cyrix (Via) makes all-in-one chips used in some of the latest
internet appliances! I could see Dell selling one of these units.
They will NOT sell desktop systems with Cyrix chips! They would be
smart to offer AMD chips as most other manufacturers do now.As for
Cyrix,I have an original system with a Cyrix 200.It has gone through
several siblings since I bought it.It is the most stable system I have
owned! I think if Cyrix and IBM could have worked things out,Cyrix would
be where AMD is today!
internet appliances! I could see Dell selling one of these units.
They will NOT sell desktop systems with Cyrix chips! They would be
smart to offer AMD chips as most other manufacturers do now.As for
Cyrix,I have an original system with a Cyrix 200.It has gone through
several siblings since I bought it.It is the most stable system I have
owned! I think if Cyrix and IBM could have worked things out,Cyrix would
be where AMD is today!
octoberblue... I think you are forgetting about the kind of dollars that are invested in R&D, Testing, product loss (not every wafer produces 200+ working dies), new fabs, etc.
Excellent point WingNut PEZ. Plus, back then, these additional real costs were also higher per chip because the volume of chips produced was no where near what it is today. With higher and higher volumes of chips produced, these costs get spread out lots more. This is just as much of the reason for such low prices today as any price war.
An AMD spokesperson that visited my former place of employment said that Dell is not using the AMD CPU's because AMD will not give them the same deal they have with Intel. Dell wants AMD to supply them first and foremost, especially if there is a shortage or demand issues. Dell's demand is that AMD supply them with their needs before they ship a single CPU to any other customer. AMD told them to shove it, because they are not going to stiff their existing (and loyal) clients.
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