Dell 22-inch widescreen... new but nothing new.

[BernardP]

Hey RedStar,

Could you tell me what happens if you try to set the resolution at 1280 x 800?

Can the monitor display it correctly even if it is not listed in Preset Timing Modes?

Thanks

 

[imported_RedStar]

well, close as i can come is 1280 x 768 ...which is alot easier on the eyes

edit: to me the black really does look BLACK.

 

[GimpyFuzznut]

Does it stretch 4:3 resolutions?

 

[imported_RedStar]

sorry for the late reply: i'm not sure how to check that...so i went to play COD2 at 800*600 at 75hz ...and got so immersed ...i only now have managed otget out of game. It was like a totally new game.

The image was not stretched...and the game is more vivid that i am used to (having used a nec 97f 19 inch crt/samsung 753 df 17 in crt)

So this is my first LCD and wide screen at that ....ima even more in love with it and can hardly wait until i get my new system.


currently i am using amd 1.3 ghz cpu/with a ati 9600 pro

edit: battlefront does not stretch at 1024*
i can expand the chessmaster 10th window full screen and get no stretching.
enemy territory..no stretching
civ 3 ...no stretching.

how would i test for stretching at 4:3?

i am gonna see how dvd movies play now.

So far there is minor light leakage along the top and the bottom...on black screens.

 

[Sylvanas]

I am in the market for a 22"inch monitor, but I was under the impression that 60hz refresh rate (at 1680 x 1050 native) would strain your eyes after viewing for longer periods of time. Granted you could use 1280 x 1024 - 80.0 kHz Horizontal, 75.0 Hz Vertical, 135 MHz but that defeats the purpose of using it at its intended resolution. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, still pretty new to this

 

[GimpyFuzznut]

You already answered my question there I guess. What I meant by 4:3 stretching was that, if you set the resolution to anything 4 by 3 like 1024x768 (you know, to tone down for games because us peeps with the ghetto computers can't run stuff at native resolution) or 800x600, would it distort the image and stretch it horizontally or display it with black bars along the side.

Some monitors would take 800x600 and stretch the pixels to make it fit to x1050 you know? This is really irritating and makes things horribly ugly. Sounds good that this Dell monitor, like the other Ultra Sharp ones, doesn't stretch resolutions to make them fit. I LIKE BLACK BARS DAMMIT!

 

[imported_RedStar]

well..you get a lower 1 inch bar and an upper 1 inch bar if you watch a dvd movie.

at 2.85:1 you get full screen and only a lille gets chopped off on the sides..unlike my past monitors (a whole lot cut off).

I got to say..the more i use this monitor , the more i am in danger of gushing uncontrollably about it. hehe

edit: as to the eye strain ...i was under the impression that you no longer have to worry about that with LCD panels over crt. The lower refresh rate effects FPS ..and there are 100HZ refresh rate panels just around the corner.

Now, with bad eyes and small print..that might cause a headache or strain.....

 

[BernardP]

Originally posted by: RedStar
well, close as i can come is 1280 x 768 ...which is alot easier on the eyes

Excuse me in advance for the barrage of questions You are maybe the first here with this monitor.

Did you have to add 1280x768 as a custom resolution?
Does 1280x768 completely fill the screen (no black bars)?
So you have tried it at 1280x800? What happens (no display? something else?)
Is the 1280x800 resolution available in the video driver?
If not, can you manually add the custom resolution?

 

[imported_RedStar]

i selected it from the list of available resolutions ...pretty sure it is just driver related (based on what monitor says it can do).
I am sure you can select custom res. with newer drivers.

I am stuck, tho, using ATI cat. 3.4 -as it is the only one that works for my ati 9600 pro and other system components i have. I can not do custom settings with the driver i have.
As for monitor settings ...things like auto adjust i can't do as it is greyed out if using a dvi cable..which i am. But so far, i have not seen the need to adjust anything ...it is awesome right out of the box.

The monitor seems to have a dual dvi link input ...but the cable is only single. So i am not sure if it can do dual link dvi.

yes...the res 1280 X768 does fill up the entire screen..no borders (with my poor eyes, it is a very nice resolution .

i believe this monitor's default is to let software handle it all. And my only driver software feature for this..has scale to fit image clicked on. And however it does it, i can discern no stretching...as every thing is scaled to fit monitor (exception being dvd movies --which still look very impressive to me)

bottom line: I love this monitor! (just keep in mind it is my first lcd monitor ..aside from looking at friend's LCD lappie screens or a dell 19 inch one)

edit: played countersrtike in 4:3 (1024*768) and widescreen 16:10 mode. I did not notice any difference between the two ... aside from the obvious difference

 

[BernardP]

Thanks RedStar for the added info.
Now, I have to find out if an NVidia card/driver can properly scale this monitor to 1280x800

 

[imported_Imp]

Sounds good. Too bad I passed on the deal; could have got it for $270 + tax thanks to 10% coupon, but decided against since it's still $300 and my current monitor is only 1.5 years old. Oh, and fear of not being able to run native. Still, sounds like a very good consideration when I seriously consider getting a widescreen. Thanks for the info.

 

[MrX8503]

It seems like the majority of people dont really care that the panels are TN or that a 22" lcd has the same res as a 20" lcd.

Most people care about inches and price, thus the overflowing amount of TN panels on the market.

My opinion? People need to stop buying these garbage monitors before there wont be any PVA or S-IPS lcds anymore.

 

[JackBurton]

Fvck the 22"! Where's the new 30"?!!

 

[Makaveli]

find me a PVA or S-IPS 22` panel for $500 and i'll buy it.

Wait a min there are none.

 

[bjc112]

too bad they didn't step up and make it a 1920x1200 panel.

 

[imported_Imp]

Hope they don't go past 1680x1050, nothing will be able to run well at native for me. If anything, I hope they tone it down to something a bit less pixelly.

 

[mset]

Originally posted by: Makaveli
find me a PVA or S-IPS 22` panel for $500 and i'll buy it.

Wait a min there are none.

Glad to hear that a few guys are happy with their Boxing Day E228 deals. I also got one... and sent it back. Maybe there's a QC issue in assembly. There was a lot of backlight bleed on my unit. I'm not a monitor tech but I think the weird geometric shadows I was seeing have something to do with 'dithering'. To get rid of that effect, I had to try the red or blue colour presets; however, this in turn caused the image to be very washed out. Also, there was a strange effect at the top left corner of the screen - the best way I can put it is that it looked like a liquid had been spilled across that portion of the screen - kind of an irregular discolouration. Finally, I just could not get used to the viewing angle issue, where image elements that are actually the same colour looked vastly different depending on their location. I spent half an hour bobbing up and down in front of the monitor trying to get a sweet spot in terms of height, but couldn't find it.

It was my first LCD and I am now looking at PVA or S-IPS panels. Makaveli, I'm in the same position as you... so I'm looking at the 20.1" HP LP2065 S-IPS unit. I guess I learned that image quality trumps real estate for me. Only problem now is that I saw that 22" unit sitting in front of me on my desk, 20.1" is going to look small...

 

[Bonesdad]

The Viewsonic Vx2025wm was a P-MVA panel. the new 2035 is a TN panel i believe...lower price, lower quality.

 

[BernardP]

Originally posted by: msetFinally, I just could not get used to the viewing angle issue, where image elements that are actually the same colour looked vastly different depending on their location. I spent half an hour bobbing up and down in front of the monitor trying to get a sweet spot in terms of height, but couldn't find it.

Apart from the quality-control problems, the viewing angle issue as you report it is exactly the same thing I experienced when I went to Futureshop and Staples to have a look at the similar Acer 22-inch widescreen. I think 22-inch might simply be too big for TN panels, unless you are sitting very far from the screen.

At work, I have a Dell 1907FP (Samsung TN panel), about the same height as a 22-inch widescreen, and I do bob a lot in front of it There seems to be always a shadowy horinzontal bar moving up and down the screen.

My parents just recently got, at my suggestion, a Dell 1907 FPV monitor which has an MVA panel. I can testify that it doesn't show the angle of vision aberrations I see on my TN panel at work. Also, despite the fact that I adjusted both monitors, the text on the MVA panel is more readable and the screen is somehow more relaxing to look at.

It seems there will not be a 22-inch non-TN widescreen in the immediate future. As I plan to upgrade this year, I guess I will have to decide if I settle for a Samsung 215TW or go all the way for a Dell 2407.

 

[imported_RedStar]

that is sad to hear about the quality problems. But it does make me even happier that i got a good one (as i was kinda expecting trouble from all the complaints about TN panels i have seen). I am extremely happy with mine --even with my old system powering it.

The only issue i have..is in trying to decide whether or not to keep the monitor on my table top or keep it on the small table shelf that now fits on the desk after 9 years

eye level (for posture) ...or tilted up (like i am used to)

 

[RossMAN]

How does the new 22" compare to the Dell UltraSharp 2005FPW?

 

[jevans64]

Silly Dell. The 2707 ( 27" ) is listed for $1399 and the 3007 ( 30" ) is listed for $1255 ( sale price. )

 

[REMF]

if the price of the 27" sorts itself out then it will be a breat monitor.