Imyourzero
Diamond Member
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There will never be a product that satisfies every single person that owns it.
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Dell 2001FP (20.1 LCD) - $769.20 shipped
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There will never be a product that satisfies every single person that owns it.
CherryBOMB
Senior member
Bump for last DAY*!*
I played UT2004 for a few hours yesterday. In the begining, it was disappointing at 16x12. Then I lowered the resolution to 12x10 and used higher details, it's better. Since the max fps is 60 (1/16ms) no matter what video setting you use, this one is definitely not at the same level as a 21" trinitron for playing fast FPS games. But to me 60fps is good enough, it does take a while to get used to.
Dell is starting to annoy me. I was the person who posted this hot deal. I ordered my 2001FP BEFORE i posted the deal (Thursday night last week), and my LCD has yet to ship. It still shows "in production." I call customer support and i get forwarded to New Delhi so they can call the central office back in the states to tell me what the website already says under my order status.
I'm just guessing. Maybe Dell or its supplier has decided to switch to a lower quality LCD panel? Here is my reasoning. In the past, the response time has always been listed as 16ms on Dell's website (not inlcuding the documentation link which may not be updated often). But lately, it's either not specified or 25ms. Also I just bought a refurbished 2001FP last month (for $598, link). The first one I received was made April 2004. Because it had some bad pixels, I exchanged it. 3 monitors later, I finally got one with only 1 dead pixel on the side and it's made in Oct 2003. During testing with this tool, I seems to feel that the April 2004 ones have a little more "ghost trailing" effect which is the result of lower response time. Because the difference is so subtle, it could as well just be my eyes. Can someone else confirm?
Dell's call-in service is definitely much worse than before now that they transfered call centers to india. I called dell yesterday to confirm warranty on my LCD (since warranty term was not mentioned on the invoice). The woman initially said it's 1 yr warranty. I said "are you sure, I thougth it's 3 yrs". Then she put me on hold for 5 mins and came back and was like "yes, it's 3 yrs". Does dell even train their CSRs?
ahhh, this monitor looks really cool and i want one, if anybody bought it and doesn't want to keep it i have a like new HP amd xp 1800+ laptop that i am looking to trade listed in the for sale section. I know this is a shot in the dark but if anyone is interested, send me a pm.
Not saying it isn't there, or anybody's imagining it, but a lot of people might be missing out on what is quite possibly the best LCD on the market for a great price because people feel the need to sound off about their superior visual accuity. (and yes, I'm one of those people who are terribly sensitive to low refresh rates, but do not have the same problem with 'ghosting', perhaps it's because I've always sought LCDs with good response times)
For 99% of people out there, they can hardly tell the difference, and the way many people describe it, it sounds like the screen is just *smeared* with ghosting, which is so far from the case.
sparkyclarky
Platinum Member
I replaced a Nokia 445Pro (NF Diamondtron tube from mid-2000) with this monitor, and I definitely prefer the LCD. The colors appear more vivid (the case with most LCDs thanks to the brightness) and the LCD is much easier on the eyes.
As far as ghosting goes, yes, this monitor does exhibit a slight ghosting effect. It is barely noticeable, but it is there. Much less than my 25ms LCD, but still present. However, the ease that this LCD gives to the eyes is worth the tiny bit of ghosting IMO and experience🙂
Imyourzero
Diamond Member
Amen. I couldn't have said it better myself. One person mentions slight ghosting in UT2K4 and next thing you know, no one wants this panel. Personally, I haven't seen ANY ghosting. People make it seem like the trails they are seeing are so bad, it makes the game unplayable. Uh, OK.
If people want to buy the ultimate gaming LCD, by all means let them search high and low and spend the extra several hundred bucks on a panel that better meets their superlative standards. But I'm pretty confident that the 2001FP is the best LCD you can get for the money, and neither my eyes or my wallet are complaining one bit.
sparkyclarky
Platinum Member
I'd get the 20" for the composite and s-video inputs, along with the increased resolution. I could run 1600x1200@85 Hz on my Nokia (actually could do 1800x1440@80 Hz, but that was hard on the eyes), and I wouldn't consider going lower than that resolution.
Problem with LCD monitors is that for many (not sure if it's the case for the 2001fp), there isn't a scaled down (or up) version of this particular monitor. Another model, say the 1801fp, may be made from an actual LCD made by a completely different manufacturer, so the quality may not be comparable.
After 2 days of use, I hate to say it but mine is going back. Before I buy it, I know there are mixed reviews. Anandtech gave favorable review, while tomshardware gave unfavorable one. But the best way is to see it in my own eyes. Now that I used it myself, I have to agree with tomshardware (which in general is a better reviewer on displays, IMO).
PROS:
Great look
Convenient features (multiple inputs, USB hub, adjustable stands, portrait mode)
Sharp text (sharper than my 21" trinitron CRT as expected)
Nice color in photos (need to lower the brightness and adjust red-blue levels first)
NO dead pixels on mine
Size (it's hugh!)
CONS:
Average gaming performance (acceptable, not great, many 17"s are better)
Poor movie play (I played Matrix, it's quite disappointing, noticable flickering in solid color areas even from a distance, colors not good either)
The famous "screening door effect" even from a distance. It's like there is a thin layer of moist on the screen.
Text too small for me (I like bigger sizes on 12x10 and 10x7 resolutions)
Price ($300 more than a 17" with better video/game performance)
PROS:
Great look
Convenient features (multiple inputs, USB hub, adjustable stands, portrait mode)
Sharp text (sharper than my 21" trinitron CRT as expected)
Nice color in photos (need to lower the brightness and adjust red-blue levels first)
NO dead pixels on mine
Size (it's hugh!)
CONS:
Average gaming performance (acceptable, not great, many 17"s are better)
Poor movie play (I played Matrix, it's quite disappointing, noticable flickering in solid color areas even from a distance, colors not good either)
The famous "screening door effect" even from a distance. It's like there is a thin layer of moist on the screen.
Text too small for me (I like bigger sizes on 12x10 and 10x7 resolutions)
Price ($300 more than a 17" with better video/game performance)
My original post stated something you two are both missing the point on. If you play with the default (or close to default) mouse sensitivity settings, it's not very noticeable. If you use highly adjusted settings it's BAD. I'm not saying barely noticeable, I'm saying BAD. Opponents can't be picked out from the levels if you simply move the mouse to look around. This is NOT, I repeat NOT specific to this LCD. I purchased a 17" LG 16ms LCD from BestBuy to see if it was an issue w/this panel. The 17" LG exhibited the exact same behaviour, just to a lesser extent based on physical size. I even recorded a small video if the issue and posted it on Dell's forums. The video made it hard to see the blurryness, but even other forum users there were able to see it.
I'm not trying to stop the majority of people from purchasing the LCD. As I stated before, it's perfect for 98% of the population and has a beautiful picture to go with the excellent price. I'm trying to notify other hardcore gamers of the situation before they have to drop the 800 bucks on it and pay themselves to have it shipped back. I'm out the return shipping because I wasn't aware of this.
Bottom line, I see it, you don't. I was trying to help other users make an informed decision. I'll be sure not to do that again.
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