Dell 1905fp no good?

[imported_motodude]

Originally posted by: JuicyLucy
There's nothing wrong with this monitor and for the price it's an excellent deal.

There are too many moronic n00bs here that don't know how to properly set up a computer that are whining about ghosting which it doesn't.

I'm thinking the same thing.:beer:

 

[cbehnken]

Sure guys... You guys are saying that there is some magical settings that will make a 20-25ms response time lcd not ghost?

Right, wish they hadn't removed the junion member status for people under 100 posts.

Or people who post like they have no idea what they are talking about. That would be more appropriate...

 

[imported_motodude]

Quality>Quantity:beer:

 

[cbehnken]

Originally posted by: motodude

Quality>Quantity:beer:

Exactly....

 

[Fingolfin269]

Okay, where in the world is the 'service tag' on this monitor. I'm trying to chat but I can't because I don't have one of those stickers... at least not that I can find.

 

[cbehnken]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Okay, where in the world is the 'service tag' on this monitor. I'm trying to chat but I can't because I don't have one of those stickers... at least not that I can find.

The service tag is only on Dell computers. The monitors do not have one. Customer support will keep nagging you for a service tag until you go insane, no matter how many times you tell them you don't have one.

 

[tren001]

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Okay, where in the world is the 'service tag' on this monitor. I'm trying to chat but I can't because I don't have one of those stickers... at least not that I can find.

The service tag is only on Dell computers. The monitors do not have one. Customer support will keep nagging you for a service tag until you go insane, no matter how many times you tell them you don't have one.

Hahaha, it's funny ... because it's true:disgust:

I've dealt a lot with Dell technical/customer support the past two months, and it's been an incredibly schizophrenic response. Dell technical, is, of course, pretty useless. Their customer support is more interesting. You can get to agree to do just about anything reasonable. Just demand, and they'll agree.

Except. Except they won't do it half the time, and you have to call them up on it again, and may again until they finally do it. It get tiring sometimes, but a lot of their stuff is too cheap to pass up, so I guess we just have to live with it.

 

[machintos]

Well. I don't have a 1905 but I tested the website on 1901 and I can tell you that I don't have that problem.

 

[blincks]

Yeah, I picked one of these up from slickdeals about a week ago. I also have a Planar PX serries 17" with the 16MS response time. This 1905 is HORRIBLE with Ghosting even on an MMORPG much less a FPS type game. I'm returning.

The Planar I have is wonderful...I'd like to find another 16ms greater than 20" though.

I see some saying the 2001 and 2005FPs from dell are better, but dont they have 20ms response times as well? How could they be any better than this 1905 if its the response time that's killing it?

 

[Chosonman]

I just got mine a few days ago after months of research. I was seriously considering getting a CRT because I didn't like the last LCD I returned.

But, the Dell 1905 is absolutely one of the very best LCD's out on the market and IS the best value for $299 (that's how much I paid) you can't beat it.
It uses the same LCD panel as the Samsung 193P which I've seen selling for almost $800 at some places and selling on newegg for $500 right now...

Let's see... pay $300 vs $500 for a very nice monitor?... If you search on Anandtech you'll see the Dell 1905 has the best reviews along with the Samsung 193P.

All the negetive remarks I've read so far only point to the fact these people have no clue what a good LCD monitor is or they got a bad monitor.
And I can't believe someone would compare a POS Planar to the Dell. We use Planar here at work because they're cheap. The image quality sucks.
And if you wan't to compare response times, a 17" monitor has better response time than a 19" monitor. If that's a concern for you get a 17" monitor and don't worry about the response time. Better yet get a 15" monitor and you'll cut the response time in half.

 

[blincks]

Originally posted by: Chosonman
IAnd I can't believe someone would compare a POS Planar to the Dell. We use Planar here at work because they're cheap. The image quality sucks.

Which Planar line? They have 3 with the PX series being 16MS on both the 17 and 19". Just curious as I have the PX171m which is what I compared. Perhaps you have one of the "cheap" low ends which ALL manufacturers have somewhere along their line rather than their high end....Honda/Acura

The 1905 for desktop apps seemed ok to me, I just could not take the evident ghosting in gaming which was what I was looking for and bought following the Anandtech review. For $287, it was a deal...but not for my use. And yes, it did get good reviews, but so did the PX171m which you claim to be a POS. It seems that a majority of the posters disagree with you, and this review from anandtech - at least in terms of gaming.

As for comparing response times, it isnt the size of the LCD that determines that.

 

[Chosonman]

Fact: Larger monitors tend to have longer response times. (Do a google search)
I've seem some monitors offer lower reponse times but sacrifice on other aspects of viewing. I've also seen some companies understate their repsonse times to look good on paper.
I've seen the Planar PX191 state response times of 16-20 ms and the Dell at 20-25ms. Considering the Dell is almost $200.00 cheaper, offers better contrast ratio, and better viewing angle and considering the Samsung 193P (which is a virtual twin of the 1905) has gotten stealar reviews by just about every online magazine (tomsharware, anandtech etc). Where is the negativity comming from?

 

[blincks]

Originally posted by: Chosonman

Where is the negativity comming from?

The users...search for 1905FP in this forum...or the other sites' forums and you will see that there are several other threads that report the same.

tendency !=C cause:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/display/lcd-guide.html

 

[Chosonman]

http://www.epinions.com/pr-Dell_UltraSh...t_Adjustable_Stand/display_~full_specs

http://www.epinions.com/pr-Planar_PX191..._Panel_TFT_Monitor/display_~full_specs

Epinions has both the Planar and Dell rated at 4.5 stars with the Dell having 8 reviews and the Planar 191PX with 4 reviews

Also, the Planar is rated at 25ms response time. So I guess they overstated their specs too.. I'm glad at least Dell was honest about their specs.

Just to add. I did a google search on Dell 1905FP... The only thing I was able to find is stealler reviews all around.

http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/chart_test_report/0,prodid,23544,00.asp

 

[glenn1]

I really like mine. Took a few days to get used to an LCD but now it's hooked up via DVI, running ClearType, and I can't believe how good it looks. True, if I stare at a web page and scroll quickly it'll look a bit blurred, but I'm not sure if that's just me actually paying attention to the page as it's scrolling or if it's a common effect to all LCDs. I daresay if I sat there and stared at a page while fast scrolling it on a CRT I'd probably go cross-eyed too.

 

[ControlD]

I picked up a 1905fp last week when it was at $300. I have been playing Half Life 2 for the past few days along with Call Of Duty, Painkiller and Far Cry. It is true that there is some ghosting with this display, but honestly I haven't found it to be that bad. The only real issue for me seems to be that running at anything but the native resolution (1280x1024) really brings down the quality. I'm running a 9600XT, and that just isn't enough horsepower to run most modern games at high resolutions (although HL2 has a 1280x1024 LCD setting which runs quite well for me). I guess it all depends on how sensitive you are to ghosting. I find that the 1905fp does a decent, but certainly not perfect job as a gaming display.

DVDs on the other hand don't look so good to me, especially dark scenes, but luckily I don't watch movies on my primary monitor anyhow. If you watch alot of movies through your PC, I would look elsewhere.

 

[gregor7777]

Alot of people who post here must have a more discriminating eye than I do, because I just don't notice the ghosting at all. I just tried the gamespot thing, and I've been gaming on it non stop for a week.

I'm coming from a relatively crappy 19" CRT, not sure if my eyes are just accostomed to sh!tty monitors, but I really think this display (1905fp) is great.

Maybe I recieved a better panel? Not sure, but regargless I'm happy with it.

Again, FWIW.

 

[Stephan28]

Well, I just received my 1905 the other day. Picked it up for $259 through Dell when a few coupons were stackable. Ordered it last Thursday afternoon about 5:00 and it was at my house Friday before I got home from work. Sheeeescchh the wife was home when it arrived! I wasn't planning on it arriving so soon!

I sure hope the ghosting isn't that big of a deal.

Should I just let XP install the drivers or should I use the included disc?

Any hints on setting it up?

Do I need to download Service Pack 2...I've been avoiding this like the plague?

Should I update my ATI drivers? Don't like messing with these either......

Thanks for the help

 

[adee2000]

I just got mine last week and after playing around with it, I noticed the green ghosting when scrolling in black. My text also would change to a blue color when scrolling slowly, like as in internet explorer. I found that the problem was the color temperature. When it was set to "bluish", this color changing problem occured. Once I set it back to sRGB, the problem was gone. The colors didn't change anymore. Just a tip for those of you having this particular problem. It's annoying, and I would have returned the monitor because of it, but now I found the solution.

Also, keeping the contrast up, i.e. not reducing it in the video card settings also helps reduce the ghosting.

 

[Folk]

Just wanted to add my .02.

I got my 1905FP yesterday and it has the Samsung panel. My previous monitor was a Hitachi SuperScan Elite 751 19" CRT... quite nice. I'm a hardcore UT2004 gamer. This Dell monitor is everything I hoped it would be. It took me all of about 3 minutes to adjust to the difference in gameplay. No way would I go back to my CRT. I don't understand what other folks are complaing about, unless there is some huge variability in quality?

 

[imported_DarkPenguin]

Here are my observations.

1. Its colors are iffy until you profile it.
2. My colorplus color thingy hates it. My new Monaco Optix Xr loves it.
3. With my Radeon 9800 pro it seems to have issues with ghosting on the desktop. (As described by the OP.)
4. With my new Geforce 6800 the ghosting issues are almost completly gone. Please explain that to me.
5. Gaming has been very smooth with it. No real ghosting issues.

I'd buy it again. But I don't think I'd use it with a 9800 pro again.

 

[Mrbo]

Hello Darkpenguin,

You seem to know how to enhance the display.
I have the Samsung panel and the display is very crappy in dark parts of my pictures!
I have it only since 2 weeks. Digital pictures are very very noisy in dark parts. light to shadow transitions are ugly like 256 colours display when the rest of the pictures is correct.
Do you think it's only a calibration problem? I think even without calibration, the display should be better!

 

[imported_DarkPenguin]

I would have thought that with DVI they would be able to make an LCD that displays correctly coming out of the factory. But this clearly does not happen.

I was reading over at Luminous Landscape that the way to deal with LCDs is to not calibrate them but to simply profile them. I need to read the thread more closely to know the exact reasoning.

But to answer the direct question, my colorplus profiler tool, while not perfect, did a decent job of cleaning up the shadows. The monaco made it look just like my prints. Definitely worthwhile.

Edit: I forgot to mention that LCD displays do not change a lot over time. So if you can borrow a profiler that would work great.

 

[blckgrffn]

I have posted this before, and I will post it again now. For those of you who read these posts and then ask why we don't like the 1905FP when it gets such great reviews, we don't own the reviews, do we? We own the damn monitor. The 4 1905FPs I have seen are not that great. I sold mine, it was not usable for me in games. Gorgeous desktop use monitor, no doubt, however.

My dad didn't like the one that I purchased for him, but has gradually gotten used to it and a LCD is a neccessity for him at this point. My room mates and my suite mates both ghosted a lot and they both moaned about it for awhile and gradually got used to it.

My 17" Planar is a much better monitor. It doesn't ghost noticeably and the colors are still very good. While it doesn't do reds as well, probably, it is much better at doing blacks. Minor bleeding is very much offset for me by the fact that it has crisp text and is darn-near ghost free.

Don't try and tell us how great this monitor is based on reviews. If we don't like it, that means we owned it and have gotten used to it as a bargain 19" LCD w/DVI or have sold it, you aren't going to change our minds.

 

[imported_DarkPenguin]

In my case I found the difference to be profiling. Without profiling it is not a good monitor. With it's pretty good.

It is kind of interesting that the first place I noticed the difference between the Monaco Optix and the Colorvision Colorplus was in a game. Actually the monitor went from being awful in CoD:UO with the default profile to decent with the colorplus profile to pretty good with the monaco. That was the most notable just-looking-at-the-monitor difference. (Screen to print matching was another matter.)