Define "Terrorist" and "Terror" Please

[rickn]

perpetual word-wrangling. this thread is going to be 20 pages long, and you will learn nothing new on page 20 that you didn't already know from page 1

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Terrorism is the intentional use of violence against civilians in order to achieve any end.

Does that rule out the USS Cole attack?

USS Cole attack was NOT a terrorist action.

Because it was made against a military object?

 

[Beowulf]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Terrorism is the intentional use of violence against civilians in order to achieve any end.

Does that rule out the USS Cole attack?

USS Cole attack was NOT a terrorist action.

Because it was made against a military object?

I think Conjur will agree with me on this that the USS Cole is a terrorist attack.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Beowulf

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Terrorism is the intentional use of violence against civilians in order to achieve any end.

Does that rule out the USS Cole attack?

USS Cole attack was NOT a terrorist action.

Because it was made against a military object?

I think Conjur will agree with me on this that the USS Cole is a terrorist attack.

Yes, I would consider that a terrorist attack.

It was a ship in port that wasn't engaged in any activity.

Although, they shouldn't have been in Yemen in the first place.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Beowulf

Originally posted by: conjur
?? terror is the calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to attain political or religious ideological goals through intimidation, coercion, or instilling fear.? ? brief statement on terrorism from a U.S. Army manual

So...the US and Israel are certainly considered terrorist states under that definition.


Terrorism is more accurately defined as the above but adding "in people who are our enemies."

More bashing from ppl who would never have the cojones or could never make it in the US Army.

More ignorance from the type of person who exemplifies the arrogance of US foreign policies.

I always had a sense Conjur hated the US military. Guess seeing him actually post it, I finally see it for myself. Go on, hate the US and the US Army. But realize that without them, you wouldnt be sitting in your chair posting away at a forum.

 

[Beowulf]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Beowulf

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Terrorism is the intentional use of violence against civilians in order to achieve any end.

Does that rule out the USS Cole attack?

USS Cole attack was NOT a terrorist action.

Because it was made against a military object?

I think Conjur will agree with me on this that the USS Cole is a terrorist attack.

Yes, I would consider that a terrorist attack.

It was a ship in port that wasn't engaged in any activity.

Although, they shouldn't have been in Yemen in the first place.

:thumbsup: though I don't remember why they were in Yemen.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Beowulf

Originally posted by: conjur
?? terror is the calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to attain political or religious ideological goals through intimidation, coercion, or instilling fear.? ? brief statement on terrorism from a U.S. Army manual

So...the US and Israel are certainly considered terrorist states under that definition.


Terrorism is more accurately defined as the above but adding "in people who are our enemies."

More bashing from ppl who would never have the cojones or could never make it in the US Army.

More ignorance from the type of person who exemplifies the arrogance of US foreign policies.

I always had a sense Conjur hated the US military. Guess seeing him actually post it, I finally see it for myself. Go on, hate the US and the US Army. But realize that without them, you wouldnt be sitting in your chair posting away at a forum.

Take a stab at refuting what he said, raildogg.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Beowulf

Originally posted by: conjur
?? terror is the calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to attain political or religious ideological goals through intimidation, coercion, or instilling fear.? ? brief statement on terrorism from a U.S. Army manual

So...the US and Israel are certainly considered terrorist states under that definition.


Terrorism is more accurately defined as the above but adding "in people who are our enemies."

More bashing from ppl who would never have the cojones or could never make it in the US Army.

More ignorance from the type of person who exemplifies the arrogance of US foreign policies.

I always had a sense Conjur hated the US military. Guess seeing him actually post it, I finally see it for myself. Go on, hate the US and the US Army. But realize that without them, you wouldnt be sitting in your chair posting away at a forum.

I always had a sense you were a rabid pro-war hawk, now I know for sure.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Beowulf

Originally posted by: conjur
Yes, I would consider that a terrorist attack.

It was a ship in port that wasn't engaged in any activity.

Although, they shouldn't have been in Yemen in the first place.

:thumbsup: thought I don't remember why they were in Yemen.

Yeah...the reasons slip my memory at the moment. Seems there was a mention of it in Clarke's Against All Enemies.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Beowulf

Originally posted by: conjur
?? terror is the calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to attain political or religious ideological goals through intimidation, coercion, or instilling fear.? ? brief statement on terrorism from a U.S. Army manual

So...the US and Israel are certainly considered terrorist states under that definition.


Terrorism is more accurately defined as the above but adding "in people who are our enemies."

More bashing from ppl who would never have the cojones or could never make it in the US Army.

More ignorance from the type of person who exemplifies the arrogance of US foreign policies.

I always had a sense Conjur hated the US military. Guess seeing him actually post it, I finally see it for myself. Go on, hate the US and the US Army. But realize that without them, you wouldnt be sitting in your chair posting away at a forum.

Take a stab at refuting what he said, raildogg.

so Israel and the US defending themselves are now considered terrorists? how so?

When these low life scum of the earth terrorists attack innocent people, US and Israel and other countries have a right to go all out and seek and destroy these monsters.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Gaard
Take a stab at refuting what he said, raildogg.

so Israel and the US defending themselves are now considered terrorists? how so?

When these low life scum of the earth terrorists attack innocent people, US and Israel and other countries have a right to go all out and seek and destroy these monsters.

How is attacking innocent civilians outside of a mosque defending themselves?

How is killing thousands in a third-world country defending ourselves?

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Beowulf

Originally posted by: conjur
?? terror is the calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to attain political or religious ideological goals through intimidation, coercion, or instilling fear.? ? brief statement on terrorism from a U.S. Army manual

So...the US and Israel are certainly considered terrorist states under that definition.


Terrorism is more accurately defined as the above but adding "in people who are our enemies."

More bashing from ppl who would never have the cojones or could never make it in the US Army.

More ignorance from the type of person who exemplifies the arrogance of US foreign policies.

I always had a sense Conjur hated the US military. Guess seeing him actually post it, I finally see it for myself. Go on, hate the US and the US Army. But realize that without them, you wouldnt be sitting in your chair posting away at a forum.

Take a stab at refuting what he said, raildogg.

so Israel and the US defending themselves are now considered terrorists? how so?

When these low life scum of the earth terrorists attack innocent people, US and Israel and other countries have a right to go all out and seek and destroy these monsters.

"? terror is the calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to attain political or religious ideological goals through intimidation, coercion, or instilling fear.? ? brief statement on terrorism from a U.S. Army manual

Now again, take a stab at refuting what he said.

Hint - try to give statements instead of asking questions. You might try something like "The US has NEVER tried to instill fear to obtain political goals". You'd be full of sh!t, but at least you'd be debating.

Oh yeah, just for sh!ts and giggles, think "Shock-n-Awe" while you're typing.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Terrorism is the intentional use of violence against civilians in order to achieve any end.

Does that rule out the USS Cole attack?

Yes. That was an normal attack of war.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Gaard
Take a stab at refuting what he said, raildogg.

so Israel and the US defending themselves are now considered terrorists? how so?

When these low life scum of the earth terrorists attack innocent people, US and Israel and other countries have a right to go all out and seek and destroy these monsters.

How is attacking innocent civilians outside of a mosque defending themselves?

How is killing thousands in a third-world country defending ourselves?

Your level of hatred for US and Israel is out of control. Attacking civilians outside a mosque? huh

We are not killing Iraqi civilians, the terrorist thugs are. Look at the news, they are killing Iraqi security forces each day. There was a major attack today even. Terrorists are killing their fellow Arabs. When we kill innocent civilians, which we certainly have, it is a accident and is not done with intent.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Beowulf

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Beowulf

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Terrorism is the intentional use of violence against civilians in order to achieve any end.

Does that rule out the USS Cole attack?

USS Cole attack was NOT a terrorist action.

Because it was made against a military object?

I think Conjur will agree with me on this that the USS Cole is a terrorist attack.

Yes, I would consider that a terrorist attack.

It was a ship in port that wasn't engaged in any activity.

Although, they shouldn't have been in Yemen in the first place.

:thumbsup: though I don't remember why they were in Yemen.

friendly governemnt that would let us port.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Terrorism is the intentional use of violence against civilians in order to achieve any end.

Does that rule out the USS Cole attack?

Yes. That was an normal attack of war.

miketheidiot, so if a person in America decides to go bomb a military base in one of the cities here, is that a act of war? since you seem to legitimize all attacks on the US military. again, why do you hate the US Armed forces so much?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: conjur
How is attacking innocent civilians outside of a mosque defending themselves?

How is killing thousands in a third-world country defending ourselves?

Your level of hatred for US and Israel is out of control. Attacking civilians outside a mosque? huh

We are not killing Iraqi civilians, the terrorist thugs are. Look at the news, they are killing Iraqi security forces each day. There was a major attack today even. Terrorists are killing their fellow Arabs. When we kill innocent civilians, which we certainly have, it is a accident and is not done with intent.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisda...id_2516000/2516407.stm

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/...s/target/etc/cron.html

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: conjur
How is attacking innocent civilians outside of a mosque defending themselves?

How is killing thousands in a third-world country defending ourselves?

Your level of hatred for US and Israel is out of control. Attacking civilians outside a mosque? huh

We are not killing Iraqi civilians, the terrorist thugs are. Look at the news, they are killing Iraqi security forces each day. There was a major attack today even. Terrorists are killing their fellow Arabs. When we kill innocent civilians, which we certainly have, it is a accident and is not done with intent.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisda...id_2516000/2516407.stm

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/...s/target/etc/cron.html

What are you trying to prove? That we carried out the suicide attack?

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Beowulf

Originally posted by: conjur
?? terror is the calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to attain political or religious ideological goals through intimidation, coercion, or instilling fear.? ? brief statement on terrorism from a U.S. Army manual

So...the US and Israel are certainly considered terrorist states under that definition.


Terrorism is more accurately defined as the above but adding "in people who are our enemies."

More bashing from ppl who would never have the cojones or could never make it in the US Army.

More ignorance from the type of person who exemplifies the arrogance of US foreign policies.

Seems like an entirely reasonable response to people like you, who exemplify the arrogance of assuming you know better how to handle a war than the people who are waging it. For someone who tends to be an arrogant, pompous ass most of the time, whose sole position is best summarized by "US is evil! Freedom is evil! Capitalism is evil!", I don't see how you have a whole lot of credibility calling ANYONE arrogant unless we assume that there is truth to the phrase, "You smell your own first"!

Jason

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Just like the topic says, how do you define terrorist and terror?

Thanks to the RRR FLL's everything is both now.

I don't have a link yet but a guy threw a Milk Dud out of the car window and he sits in Jail charged as a Terrorist committing a Terrorist act now.

Edit: Found a link:

1-19-2005 Milk Dud Leads To Criminal Charges For 15-Year-Old Boy

Copyright 2005 by wftv.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

========================================================
Harshest Copyright I have ever seen so I will only make link and a comment:

Cliff Notes:

15 yr old throws Milk Dud out window of his Mom's car, it hits the windshield of a car coming at them.

Lady that had the Milk Dud hit here window claims the Milk Dud cracked her Windshield and pressed charges.

State Attorney handling the case.

If they have a problem with the above comment then Free Speech and flow of information is Officially Dead in America. Just lock it up and throw away the key.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Could this be considered milita then?

I'm anything but a history buff, but I don't believe militias typically operate outside their own borders, nor do they typically attack civilians. I'm not sure how to classify these guys.

Originally posted by: raildogg
miketheidiot, so if a person in America decides to go bomb a military base in one of the cities here, is that a act of war? since you seem to legitimize all attacks on the US military. again, why do you hate the US Armed forces so much?

Was Pearl Harbor an act of war or terrorism? It was the bombing of a US military base. The lines are blurring and distinctions are becoming more and more difficult when the group carrying out the attack is not affiliated with a nation.

 

[miketheidiot]

nm read cyclewizards post above.


EDIT:

Originally posted by: raildogg

miketheidiot, so if a person in America decides to go bomb a military base in one of the cities here, is that a act of war? since you seem to legitimize all attacks on the US military. again, why do you hate the US Armed forces so much?

Why are you so intent on killing them for a lie? If anyone around here hate the miliary, its the people like you who orgasm when they get sent off to fight and die.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Just like the topic says, how do you define terrorist and terror?

Going by what many in P&N think:

Suicide bombers = terrorists
M16 weilding killers != terrorists

Muslims = terrorists
US Army != terrorists

Destruction of WTC = terrorism
Flattening of Fallujah/Jenin, heck all of Iraq !=terrorism

Murdering 3000 US Soldiers = terrorism
Murdering 15000+ Iraqi civilians != terrorism

people who put on uniforms, come in plain sight, dont hide behind women and children, declare thier intentions, dont kidnap or assasinate = soldiers

people who hide like cowards, kidnap civilians, execute unarmed people, blow themselves up, hijack planes, and deliberately attack civilians with the intention of creating fear = terrorists.

get it straight.

Originally posted by: conjur
?? terror is the calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to attain political or religious ideological goals through intimidation, coercion, or instilling fear.? ? brief statement on terrorism from a U.S. Army manual

So...the US and Israel are certainly considered terrorist states under that definition.


Terrorism is more accurately defined as the above but adding "in people who are our enemies."

lol, I think you changed the words, I will post the REAL definition as defined by the DOD when I get home.

So if the group is wealthy enough to fight with planes and tanks, they are not terrorists. However, if the group is poor and results to fight with bombs, kidnappings, etc., they are terrorists.

And BTW, bin Laden did in fact acknowledge his intentions, many times, before 9/11.

And what about the US CIA and military covert operations, in which they hide, kidnap, etc.? Terrorists?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: conjur
How is attacking innocent civilians outside of a mosque defending themselves?

How is killing thousands in a third-world country defending ourselves?

Your level of hatred for US and Israel is out of control. Attacking civilians outside a mosque? huh

We are not killing Iraqi civilians, the terrorist thugs are. Look at the news, they are killing Iraqi security forces each day. There was a major attack today even. Terrorists are killing their fellow Arabs. When we kill innocent civilians, which we certainly have, it is a accident and is not done with intent.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisda...id_2516000/2516407.stm

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/...s/target/etc/cron.html

What are you trying to prove? That we carried out the suicide attack?

You don't comprehend what you read very well, do you? Those who carried out the attack were trained by the US. See the difference?

Remember how we trained the Mujahedeen and then when the Saudis let US troops onto Saudi soil to protect Mecca/Medina from Saddam they then turned on us and started attack us?

The US gov't's hands are very dirty.