Define "Terrorist" and "Terror" Please

[Rainsford]

Just like the topic says, how do you define terrorist and terror?

 

[maddogchen]

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[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Just like the topic says, how do you define terrorist and terror?

Going by what many in P&N think:

Suicide bombers = terrorists
M16 weilding killers != terrorists

Muslims = terrorists
US Army != terrorists

Destruction of WTC = terrorism
Flattening of Fallujah/Jenin, heck all of Iraq !=terrorism

Murdering 3000 US Soldiers = terrorism
Murdering 15000+ Iraqi civilians != terrorism

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: maddogchen
repost?

repost?

Must have missed those...thought I had an original topic here

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: maddogchen
repost?

repost?

Must have missed those...thought I had an original topic here

heheh
Terror is that shaking feeling I had when I watched the Ring in the dark.

 

[conjur]

?? terror is the calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to attain political or religious ideological goals through intimidation, coercion, or instilling fear.? ? brief statement on terrorism from a U.S. Army manual

So...the US and Israel are certainly considered terrorist states under that definition.


Terrorism is more accurately defined as the above but adding "in people who are our enemies."

 

[Beowulf]

Originally posted by: conjur
?? terror is the calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to attain political or religious ideological goals through intimidation, coercion, or instilling fear.? ? brief statement on terrorism from a U.S. Army manual

So...the US and Israel are certainly considered terrorist states under that definition.


Terrorism is more accurately defined as the above but adding "in people who are our enemies."

More bashing from ppl who would never have the cojones or could never make it in the US Army.

 

[GrGr]

Originally posted by: Beowulf

Originally posted by: conjur
?? terror is the calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to attain political or religious ideological goals through intimidation, coercion, or instilling fear.? ? brief statement on terrorism from a U.S. Army manual

So...the US and Israel are certainly considered terrorist states under that definition.


Terrorism is more accurately defined as the above but adding "in people who are our enemies."

More bashing from ppl who would never have the cojones or could never make it in the US Army.

Why would anyone want to "make it" in the US Army?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Beowulf

Originally posted by: conjur
?? terror is the calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to attain political or religious ideological goals through intimidation, coercion, or instilling fear.? ? brief statement on terrorism from a U.S. Army manual

So...the US and Israel are certainly considered terrorist states under that definition.


Terrorism is more accurately defined as the above but adding "in people who are our enemies."

More bashing from ppl who would never have the cojones or could never make it in the US Army.

More ignorance from the type of person who exemplifies the arrogance of US foreign policies.

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: Beowulf

Originally posted by: conjur
?? terror is the calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to attain political or religious ideological goals through intimidation, coercion, or instilling fear.? ? brief statement on terrorism from a U.S. Army manual

So...the US and Israel are certainly considered terrorist states under that definition.


Terrorism is more accurately defined as the above but adding "in people who are our enemies."

More bashing from ppl who would never have the cojones or could never make it in the US Army.

doesn't make what he said not true. we throw our support behind the military, and then turn a blind eye to whatever they do. That's why the general populace is never truely versed in the harsh realities of war, terror, whatever the hell you wanna call it..atleast not til years afterwards, and by then we don't care.

 

[Beowulf]

Originally posted by: GrGr

Originally posted by: Beowulf

Originally posted by: conjur
?? terror is the calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to attain political or religious ideological goals through intimidation, coercion, or instilling fear.? ? brief statement on terrorism from a U.S. Army manual

So...the US and Israel are certainly considered terrorist states under that definition.


Terrorism is more accurately defined as the above but adding "in people who are our enemies."

More bashing from ppl who would never have the cojones or could never make it in the US Army.

Why would anyone want to "make it" in the US Army?

My dad,2 older brothers and a younger one did I guess they are dumb huh.

 

[Beowulf]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Beowulf

Originally posted by: conjur
?? terror is the calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to attain political or religious ideological goals through intimidation, coercion, or instilling fear.? ? brief statement on terrorism from a U.S. Army manual

So...the US and Israel are certainly considered terrorist states under that definition.


Terrorism is more accurately defined as the above but adding "in people who are our enemies."

More bashing from ppl who would never have the cojones or could never make it in the US Army.

More ignorance from the type of person who exemplifies the arrogance of US foreign policies.

So because I support US troops I am an ignorant? I rather not bash our troops I got 3 brother out there willing to serve for ppl like you.

 

[Beowulf]

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: Beowulf

Originally posted by: conjur
?? terror is the calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to attain political or religious ideological goals through intimidation, coercion, or instilling fear.? ? brief statement on terrorism from a U.S. Army manual

So...the US and Israel are certainly considered terrorist states under that definition.


Terrorism is more accurately defined as the above but adding "in people who are our enemies."

More bashing from ppl who would never have the cojones or could never make it in the US Army.

doesn't make what he said not true. we throw our support behind the military, and then turn a blind eye to whatever they do. That's why the general populace is never truely versed in the harsh realities of war, terror, whatever the hell you wanna call it..atleast not til years afterwards, and by then we don't care.

I am well aware of what happens in Iraq I hear it from my 3 brother there all the time whenever they write.They can't believe ppl bash em back in the states for doing their duty to our country wether you like the mission or not they are fellow countrymen our soldiers.

 

[CycloWizard]

Me:
terrorist - one who uses extreme violence to further a political cause

Merriam-Webster:
Main Entry: ter·ror·ism
Pronunciation: 'ter-&r-"i-z&m
Function: noun
: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion
- ter·ror·ist /-&r-ist/ adjective or noun
- ter·ror·is·tic /"ter-&r-'is-tik/ adjective

Main Entry: ter·ror
Pronunciation: 'ter-&r
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French terreur, from Latin terror, from terrEre to frighten; akin to Greek trein to be afraid, flee, tremein to tremble -- more at TREMBLE
1 : a state of intense fear
2 a : one that inspires fear : SCOURGE b : a frightening aspect <the terrors of invasion> c : a cause of anxiety : WORRY d : an appalling person or thing; especially : BRAT
3 : REIGN OF TERROR
4 : violence (as bombing) committed by groups in order to intimidate a population or government into granting their demands <insurrection and revolutionary terror>
synonym see FEAR
- ter·ror·less /-l&s/ adjective

 

[GrGr]

Originally posted by: Beowulf

Originally posted by: GrGr

Originally posted by: Beowulf

Originally posted by: conjur
?? terror is the calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to attain political or religious ideological goals through intimidation, coercion, or instilling fear.? ? brief statement on terrorism from a U.S. Army manual

So...the US and Israel are certainly considered terrorist states under that definition.


Terrorism is more accurately defined as the above but adding "in people who are our enemies."

More bashing from ppl who would never have the cojones or could never make it in the US Army.

Why would anyone want to "make it" in the US Army?

My dad,2 older brothers and a younger one did I guess they are dumb huh.

I asked why not who.

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: Beowulf

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: Beowulf

Originally posted by: conjur
?? terror is the calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to attain political or religious ideological goals through intimidation, coercion, or instilling fear.? ? brief statement on terrorism from a U.S. Army manual

So...the US and Israel are certainly considered terrorist states under that definition.


Terrorism is more accurately defined as the above but adding "in people who are our enemies."

More bashing from ppl who would never have the cojones or could never make it in the US Army.

doesn't make what he said not true. we throw our support behind the military, and then turn a blind eye to whatever they do. That's why the general populace is never truely versed in the harsh realities of war, terror, whatever the hell you wanna call it..atleast not til years afterwards, and by then we don't care.

I am well aware of what happens in Iraq I hear it from my 3 brother there all the time whenever they write.They can't believe ppl bash em back in the states for doing their duty to our country wether you like the mission or not they are fellow countrymen our soldiers.

our military is mostly good people, but the term terrorist is open to interpretation. Did we terrorize Iraqi's with our shock & awe? Or did they go out and celebrate in the streets like it was the 4th of july? My guess is that we put the fear of god into them. Did we terrorize them?

Most of my uncles are either AF or Army, both grandfathers are retired Navy WW2 vets, one grandfather is deceased though

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Me:
terrorist - one who uses extreme violence to further a political cause

Merriam-Webster:
Main Entry: ter·ror·ism
Pronunciation: 'ter-&r-"i-z&m
Function: noun
: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion
- ter·ror·ist /-&r-ist/ adjective or noun
- ter·ror·is·tic /"ter-&r-'is-tik/ adjective

Main Entry: ter·ror
Pronunciation: 'ter-&r
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French terreur, from Latin terror, from terrEre to frighten; akin to Greek trein to be afraid, flee, tremein to tremble -- more at TREMBLE
1 : a state of intense fear
2 a : one that inspires fear : SCOURGE b : a frightening aspect <the terrors of invasion> c : a cause of anxiety : WORRY d : an appalling person or thing; especially : BRAT
3 : REIGN OF TERROR
4 : violence (as bombing) committed by groups in order to intimidate a population or government into granting their demands <insurrection and revolutionary terror>
synonym see FEAR
- ter·ror·less /-l&s/ adjective

Yet that seems incomplete. We used "Shock and Awe" which was calculated to cause fear. It was limited, but so are terrorist attacks. A bomb here and there.

Besides "We are right and they are wrong", what is the objective qualifying difference?

One could say terrorists attack civilians. If they attack just our soldiers, are they no longer practicing terrorism?

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Just like the topic says, how do you define terrorist and terror?

Going by what many in P&N think:

Suicide bombers = terrorists
M16 weilding killers != terrorists

Muslims = terrorists
US Army != terrorists

Destruction of WTC = terrorism
Flattening of Fallujah/Jenin, heck all of Iraq !=terrorism

Murdering 3000 US Soldiers = terrorism
Murdering 15000+ Iraqi civilians != terrorism

people who put on uniforms, come in plain sight, dont hide behind women and children, declare thier intentions, dont kidnap or assasinate = soldiers

people who hide like cowards, kidnap civilians, execute unarmed people, blow themselves up, hijack planes, and deliberately attack civilians with the intention of creating fear = terrorists.

get it straight.

Originally posted by: conjur
?? terror is the calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to attain political or religious ideological goals through intimidation, coercion, or instilling fear.? ? brief statement on terrorism from a U.S. Army manual

So...the US and Israel are certainly considered terrorist states under that definition.


Terrorism is more accurately defined as the above but adding "in people who are our enemies."

lol, I think you changed the words, I will post the REAL definition as defined by the DOD when I get home.

 

[Tommunist]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Me:
terrorist - one who uses extreme violence to further a political cause

Merriam-Webster:
Main Entry: ter·ror·ism
Pronunciation: 'ter-&r-"i-z&m
Function: noun
: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion
- ter·ror·ist /-&r-ist/ adjective or noun
- ter·ror·is·tic /"ter-&r-'is-tik/ adjective

Main Entry: ter·ror
Pronunciation: 'ter-&r
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French terreur, from Latin terror, from terrEre to frighten; akin to Greek trein to be afraid, flee, tremein to tremble -- more at TREMBLE
1 : a state of intense fear
2 a : one that inspires fear : SCOURGE b : a frightening aspect <the terrors of invasion> c : a cause of anxiety : WORRY d : an appalling person or thing; especially : BRAT
3 : REIGN OF TERROR
4 : violence (as bombing) committed by groups in order to intimidate a population or government into granting their demands <insurrection and revolutionary terror>
synonym see FEAR
- ter·ror·less /-l&s/ adjective

Yet that seems incomplete. We used "Shock and Awe" which was calculated to cause fear. It was limited, but so are terrorist attacks. A bomb here and there.

Besides "We are right and they are wrong", what is the objective qualifying difference?

One could say terrorists attack civilians. If they attack just our soldiers, are they no longer practicing terrorism?

This is a good point. Anything done between military foes I'm not sure I could ever consider terrorism - that's war.

 

[Beowulf]

Originally posted by: GrGr

Originally posted by: Beowulf

Originally posted by: GrGr

Originally posted by: Beowulf

Originally posted by: conjur
?? terror is the calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to attain political or religious ideological goals through intimidation, coercion, or instilling fear.? ? brief statement on terrorism from a U.S. Army manual

So...the US and Israel are certainly considered terrorist states under that definition.


Terrorism is more accurately defined as the above but adding "in people who are our enemies."

More bashing from ppl who would never have the cojones or could never make it in the US Army.

Why would anyone want to "make it" in the US Army?

My dad,2 older brothers and a younger one did I guess they are dumb huh.

I asked why not who.

Ahhh well why would you not want to make a career in the military it isn't for everyone but there are ppl out there who do.That's like someone telling me why I have a criminal justice degree and doing a masters in military studies because I want to work in a certain field.I can't speak for everyone but certain fields appeal to certain ppl.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Beowulf

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Beowulf

Originally posted by: conjur
?? terror is the calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to attain political or religious ideological goals through intimidation, coercion, or instilling fear.? ? brief statement on terrorism from a U.S. Army manual

So...the US and Israel are certainly considered terrorist states under that definition.


Terrorism is more accurately defined as the above but adding "in people who are our enemies."

More bashing from ppl who would never have the cojones or could never make it in the US Army.

More ignorance from the type of person who exemplifies the arrogance of US foreign policies.

So because I support US troops I am an ignorant? I rather not bash our troops I got 3 brother out there willing to serve for ppl like you.

They are not serving in Iraq for me. Unlike you, I can separate my support of the troops from the ill-advised plans and policies of this administration.

Your family members are brave in their efforts to serve in the US military. However, their willingness to serve is being abused by the Bush administration.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: conjur
?? terror is the calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to attain political or religious ideological goals through intimidation, coercion, or instilling fear.? ? brief statement on terrorism from a U.S. Army manual

So...the US and Israel are certainly considered terrorist states under that definition.


Terrorism is more accurately defined as the above but adding "in people who are our enemies."

lol, I think you changed the words, I will post the REAL definition as defined by the DOD when I get home.

http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/j...dict/data/t/05373.html

terrorism
(DOD) The calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological. See also antiterrorism; combating terrorism; counterterrorism; force protection condition; terrorist; terrorist groups.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Yet that seems incomplete. We used "Shock and Awe" which was calculated to cause fear. It was limited, but so are terrorist attacks. A bomb here and there.

Besides "We are right and they are wrong", what is the objective qualifying difference?

One could say terrorists attack civilians. If they attack just our soldiers, are they no longer practicing terrorism?

Yes, I meant to qualify my definition as an attack on civilians. I would consider an attack on a military target an act of war rather than an act of terrorism. The problem we have with this is in cases like the USS Cole, where those making the act of war are those we can define only as 'terrorists' due to their attacks on civilians. Basically, they are defined by their attacks on civilians but do not limit the scope to civilians. Let's just call it even and call them 'crazy bastards.'

 

[Beowulf]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Beowulf

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Beowulf

Originally posted by: conjur
?? terror is the calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to attain political or religious ideological goals through intimidation, coercion, or instilling fear.? ? brief statement on terrorism from a U.S. Army manual

So...the US and Israel are certainly considered terrorist states under that definition.


Terrorism is more accurately defined as the above but adding "in people who are our enemies."

More bashing from ppl who would never have the cojones or could never make it in the US Army.

More ignorance from the type of person who exemplifies the arrogance of US foreign policies.

So because I support US troops I am an ignorant? I rather not bash our troops I got 3 brother out there willing to serve for ppl like you.

They are not serving in Iraq for me. Unlike you, I can separate my support of the troops from the ill-advised plans and policies of this administration.

Your family members are brave in their efforts to serve in the US military. However, their willingness to serve is being abused by the Bush administration.

I'm not talking about the Bush administration and their plans you may hate it but our military is doing what any good soldier would do and follow orders.If your going to say anyone is a terrorist apply it to the administration if you want but not our soldiers they'd do whatever told of by any US president.

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: conjur
?? terror is the calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to attain political or religious ideological goals through intimidation, coercion, or instilling fear.? ? brief statement on terrorism from a U.S. Army manual

So...the US and Israel are certainly considered terrorist states under that definition.


Terrorism is more accurately defined as the above but adding "in people who are our enemies."

lol, I think you changed the words, I will post the REAL definition as defined by the DOD when I get home.

http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/j...dict/data/t/05373.html

terrorism
(DOD) The calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological. See also antiterrorism; combating terrorism; counterterrorism; force protection condition; terrorist; terrorist groups.

reminds me of the TV commercials for weight loss and how so and so lost 40lbs in 6mos, and down at the very bottom of the screen in tiny little print "results not typical"