Defending yourself against people who are physically stronger than you.

[RagingBITCH]

Vital organs. Eyes. Ears. Groin. Weight support joints. If you have to defend yourself, don't get in a brawling contest...be smart, get in, get out.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Vital organs. Eyes. Ears. Groin. Weight support joints. If you have to defend yourself, don't get in a brawling contest...be smart, get in, get out.

Ears? To render someone hors de combat? good luck with that. And all of that is completely useless when that big, angry guy, that wrestled through jr and H.S. power doubles you in the parking lot.

 

[JM Aggie08]

Just remember to SING...

 

[waggy]

Ears? To render someone hors de combat? good luck with that. And all of that is completely useless when that big, angry guy, that wrestled through jr and H.S. power doubles you in the parking lot.

ears if hit correctly can stun a guy for a second. hard to do in a fight though. best to not even try since it leaves you open.

Vital organs. Eyes. Ears. Groin. Weight support joints. If you have to defend yourself, don't get in a brawling contest...be smart, get in, get out.

meh. depends on who you are up against. someone with ZERO training? sure you will get those.

anyone with even a slight bit of training knows how to and will protect those areas.

 

[OinkBoink]

You already mentioned a gun, how is your conscience more clear shooting somebody rather than punching them in the throat? The point of both is to stop the attacker, and you have the same problems proving it was in self defense regardless of what you do.

I wouldn't shoot them in the head or the heart or vital places like that. More like the legs or something. Something to prevent them from attacking me rather than me killing them. Agreed they could die from bleeding, but the chances of that happening would be lower relative to shooting them (or punching them hard enough) in vital places.

Though I do agree about the legal implications of proving that my actions were in self defence/defense.

 

[JM Aggie08]

I wouldn't shoot them in the head or the heart or vital places like that. More like the legs or something. Something to prevent them from attacking me rather than me killing them. Agreed they could die from bleeding, but the chances of that happening would be lower relative to shooting them (or punching them hard enough) in vital places.

Though I do agree about the legal implications of proving that my actions were in self defence/defense.

You never shoot to wound.

 

[klinc]

Go for a choke hold. put your left arm on the top of your right arm push that part against the back of his head bringing the front part of the right arm around his neck. He can't geet out. 20 Seconds of squeeze he will feel like he is dying almost

 

[OinkBoink]

You never shoot to wound.

Perhaps you are right. I admit I'm a bit ignorant when it comes to the use of firearms. I'd just like to keep an open mind and learn more, that's all.

So how do I use a gun against my opponent ?

 

[waggy]

Go for a choke hold. put your left arm on the top of your right arm push that part against the back of his head bringing the front part of the right arm around his neck. He can't geet out. 20 Seconds of squeeze he will feel like he is dying almost

Lol and how is he supposed to get the guy in that situation? ask nicely?

/facepalm

I wouldn't shoot them in the head or the heart or vital places like that. More like the legs or something. Something to prevent them from attacking me rather than me killing them. Agreed they could die from bleeding, but the chances of that happening would be lower relative to shooting them (or punching them hard enough) in vital places.

Though I do agree about the legal implications of proving that my actions were in self defence/defense.

wow..

lol

 

[randomrogue]

Okay. I don't want to talk about working out and hitting the gym and all that. Yes, working out is a good thing and it builds up stamina and strength, but let's be realistic here. Some people, luckily (for them), are endowed with better genes. People come in all shapes and sizes. You might be 6'1" and weigh 85 kg. But there will almost always be a guy who is even bigger and stronger than you, say 6'5" and 105 kg. I know weight doesn't directly equate to strength and that there are other factors involved, but you get my drift.

Your first line of defence/defense would be to avoid an altercation at all costs. But this isn't always a viable option. Sometimes, physical fights are inevitable.

The other option I can think of is carrying a weapon. A gun perhaps. But everyone carrying guns has its own issues.

Please share your ideas.

The odds of you being able to pull a weapon are pretty slim. I once had to take down a linebacker and I had about half a second to do it. Take a self defense class. Better yet take a lot of them. This isn't like the wild west where you have time to draw a gun and stare them down. When you have to defend yourself, they're on top of you.

 

[darkxshade]

Take off your clothes and get naked. Unless he's gay, no man will attempt to get near you. Scream you haz the AIDs for added effect as desired. 😉

 

[SandEagle]

Take off your clothes and get naked. Unless he's gay, no man will attempt to get near you. Scream you haz the AIDs for added effect as desired. 😉

Kumar, pass me the flamethrower.

 

[OinkBoink]

wow..

lol

Post #33.

 

[clamum]

Instead of fighting, maybe throw the guy for a loop? Whisper in his ear softly and then transition to a handjob. Might save your life one day.

 

[BladeVenom]

A big dog can also help.

 

[Olikan]

Only problem with that is the mandible which is part of the chin is one of the strongest bones in the body. It may stun or it may not.

it's not about the mandible... it's about the inner ear, it controls our balance... shake violently the "water" inside the inner ear, and you will look like a retard...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwM77ll_4dE

how about a sumo fighter against a muay thai?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snDU0I3Um2g

as i said....atack the fucking chin

 

[vshah]

don't be a manlet

/thread

 

[Apple Of Sodom]

Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. I am pretty small (at my last competition I weight in at 146 pounds.) I roll with guys that are 30-50 pounds heavier than me. People with no training get submitted in a matter of seconds. It is great to see these big guys come in thinking their weight will help them, but unless they train regularly, it rarely does.

The whole idea behind BJJ is to beat your opponent on then ground where you take away a considerable amount of their size advantage. Guys in the gym know that the smaller opponents can be tough and many times have said they would rather roll with a 170 pounder than a 145er any day because the 145ers are difficult as fuck to submit and have a ton of energy. It has given me a ton of confidence. I highly recommend it.

 

[Arkaign]

There is absolutely no substitute for training.

This is my major trainer for the past few years, after exclusively going with Boxing/Thai Boxing/Pankrate/Wrestling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj2a9jLc-LU&list=UUjDIujJ9JPZTtWuPv6LKuXQ&index=9

He is a former Spetsnaz operator who is a fair bit smaller than me, but could very easily kill me in a confrontation. Thankfully, men of his caliber are quite rare. He trains very very heavily in armed combat, which is incredibly useful if you do choose to be armed, or think you may come up against an armed opponent, whether you are armed or not. He is realistic as well, some situations have very little chance of survival, though it's better to be as prepared as possible rather than not.

It is my opinion, even as a very strong 2nd-amendment supporter, that without very significant training, that pulling your firearm at close range is an extremely risky proposition. It's also a hard choice not to pull it, because in the course of a hand to hand encounter your opponent may discover it and try to wrest it from your possession, which is the worst case scenario.

It all comes down to responsibility and avoiding things if you can, and being prepared if you cannot. Every body type and personality are different. In the military, they will pound your square peg into a round hole, but in the free world, you may adapt to something that is more effective for you personally. There is no substitute for training though, I cannot state that enough. When I was younger I trained for an average of 6 hours a day, something no longer possible with a full time job and two kids. But I put in the time to maintain my physical baseline and to learn new aspects of combat and combat avoidance.

I can also vouch that you cannot ever count on being the big guy in the room. I'm 6'4" (well, perhaps 6'3.5" after a serious accident in the 90s) and 250lbs, and that's a fairly common HW size. I do run into guys who are 6'7", 300lbs, and it just reminds me that in the big picture my size means nothing. But I've seen very small guys fight like demons and come out victorious just on speed and intensity.

Train hard, avoid confrontation if possible, and realize that anything can happen.

Oh, and wrestling/BJJ/pankrate/etc are indeed great to know, but I find that in street/public fighting scenarios, it's a risky bet. Committing to that (or getting wrapped up), costs you time and in the scenario of multiple attackers is the worst case scenario. It's very hard to defend oneself against a 2nd or 3rd opponent if you're in the middle of grappling with the first.

 

[HumblePie]

Lasers!

Because even sharks deserve a warm meal.

 

[waggy]

Oh, and wrestling/BJJ/pankrate/etc are indeed great to know, but I find that in street/public fighting scenarios, it's a risky bet. Committing to that (or getting wrapped up), costs you time and in the scenario of multiple attackers is the worst case scenario. It's very hard to defend oneself against a 2nd or 3rd opponent if you're in the middle of grappling with the first.

agreed.

I love wrestling. Its a great sport and can be usefull for self defense. but no way in hell do i think such styles should be trained for straight self defense. as you said its far to risky. it may start as a 1vs1 but his buddy's may show up. with you down they are going to stomp you into the ground.

wrestling is a great sport. i loved it. i spent 20 odd years doing it. I am sure i can get nearly anyone down and tie them up. even then i still took hapkido for self defense.

Lasers!

Because even sharks deserve a warm meal.

won't anyone think of the sharks!

 

[OlafSicky]

Oh, and wrestling/BJJ/pankrate/etc are indeed great to know, but I find that in street/public fighting scenarios, it's a risky bet. Committing to that (or getting wrapped up), costs you time and in the scenario of multiple attackers is the worst case scenario. It's very hard to defend oneself against a 2nd or 3rd opponent if you're in the middle of grappling with the first.

True BJJ is usless in a street fight and anyone atempting to take someone to the ground on the street is an idiot. Your in a bar you start rolling with a guy and then 2 of his buddies kick you in the head.:ninja:

 

[sourceninja]

There is absolutely no substitute for training.

This is my major trainer for the past few years, after exclusively going with Boxing/Thai Boxing/Pankrate/Wrestling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj2a9jLc-LU&list=UUjDIujJ9JPZTtWuPv6LKuXQ&index=9

He is a former Spetsnaz operator who is a fair bit smaller than me, but could very easily kill me in a confrontation. Thankfully, men of his caliber are quite rare. He trains very very heavily in armed combat, which is incredibly useful if you do choose to be armed, or think you may come up against an armed opponent, whether you are armed or not. He is realistic as well, some situations have very little chance of survival, though it's better to be as prepared as possible rather than not.

It is my opinion, even as a very strong 2nd-amendment supporter, that without very significant training, that pulling your firearm at close range is an extremely risky proposition. It's also a hard choice not to pull it, because in the course of a hand to hand encounter your opponent may discover it and try to wrest it from your possession, which is the worst case scenario.

It all comes down to responsibility and avoiding things if you can, and being prepared if you cannot. Every body type and personality are different. In the military, they will pound your square peg into a round hole, but in the free world, you may adapt to something that is more effective for you personally. There is no substitute for training though, I cannot state that enough. When I was younger I trained for an average of 6 hours a day, something no longer possible with a full time job and two kids. But I put in the time to maintain my physical baseline and to learn new aspects of combat and combat avoidance.

I can also vouch that you cannot ever count on being the big guy in the room. I'm 6'4" (well, perhaps 6'3.5" after a serious accident in the 90s) and 250lbs, and that's a fairly common HW size. I do run into guys who are 6'7", 300lbs, and it just reminds me that in the big picture my size means nothing. But I've seen very small guys fight like demons and come out victorious just on speed and intensity.

Train hard, avoid confrontation if possible, and realize that anything can happen.

Oh, and wrestling/BJJ/pankrate/etc are indeed great to know, but I find that in street/public fighting scenarios, it's a risky bet. Committing to that (or getting wrapped up), costs you time and in the scenario of multiple attackers is the worst case scenario. It's very hard to defend oneself against a 2nd or 3rd opponent if you're in the middle of grappling with the first.

Disclaimer I have spent most of my youth in a variety of martial arts, and the last 10 years focusing on bjj/judo/boxing. However I have experience in aikido, Japanese jiujitsu, TKD, hopkido, and a few styles of kung fu that I've sat in on.

My take on bjj/judo or any other sport art is that it should always be the go to art for someone who wants to learn self defense. This has nothing to do with the tactics or techniques taught, but rather the training methods employed.

First, most grappling arts start you with what I call worst case senario training. Because you are new you are man handled and dominated in your training. You are learning the most important parts of bjj the first month. That is how to get a better trained, stronger, faster, younger, etc person off of you with solid physics and efficient body movements. Without these things, even the 'dirty' techniques like eye gouging could just piss off the same guy with better positional advantage who then takes you from a beating to a maiming.

Second, contact sports in general teach (and especially combat sports) you to to deal with the realities of pressure. How do you react when your punched in the face? Can you keep your clam while you have 250+ pounds on your chest? Do you panic when that choke sets in? How is your breathing in a general fist fight? While real combat is much much more intense, this is still one of the most valuable skills you can develop.

Third, sport training brings out good muscle memory habits. Though boxing I have been trained to punch the moment I get punched. You hit me, I hit you, and I keep moving. I don't think about this, it doesn't matter how much pressure is applied, this always happens (I even punch while falling from a flash KO), bjj has taught my body to never be flat on my back and to keep moving no matter how tired I might be. I don't have to think about my weight distribution, it just happens though years of learning to hold down stronger, larger opponents. Finally Judo has taught me how to fight for grips subconsciously and to always put my opponents off balance. I don't even think about this either, while I grab I'm just working to put you off balance. It's so ingrained that my wife gets mad when she goes to hug me and I pummel under-hooks or pull her to take her balance.

Forth, you gain insight into people's body types and abilities. After being around real athletes in these sports (most much better than I am) I can tell what a good grappler looks like, or a good boxer. I can see how they move in everyday activities and I know when someone is truly dangerous.

Fifth, you get humble and fast. Most non-sport guys I have met in my life are not humble. They (not even including if their art works or not) tend to be so sure of their deadly abilities is pretty scary. Anyone who spends time in a sport knows what it is like to lose. They know what it is like to be dominated and to be powerless. They understand that even when you are better trained and better equipped, you can and will still lose.

Now with all that said, the tactics of many combat sports are probably not the best tactics for self defense. Yes taking a guy to the ground is probably a bad idea if he has friends. However, the idea of worst case first means the bjj guy is better equipped to stay alive and get up if he ends up on the ground. The boxer is better equipped to land that eye gouge, and the thai boxer can probably land that crippling knee to the groin or kick to the knee much better than the non sport guy can.

So I tell new guys to start with the sport arts. They will give them the fastest gains and prove very useful as a basis for evaluating the non sport arts and fighting strategies later. AKA it's those base skills you learn in sport that make those advanced and dirty fighting strategies work. Fundamentals are always fundamental.

 

[Mixolydian]

I roll with guys

😵D:

 

[Apple Of Sodom]

True BJJ is usless in a street fight and anyone atempting to take someone to the ground on the street is an idiot. Your in a bar you start rolling with a guy and then 2 of his buddies kick you in the head.:ninja:

If you are 3 on 1 you are fucked anyway for the most part. If you weigh 150 pounds and some 200 pound asshole is trying to punch you, take it to the ground. On your average overweight American with no training I can submit them in under 30 seconds. That is much better than getting taken down and kicked in the head... or punched in the face, knocked out and kicked in the head. BJJ isn't a sport like Tae Kwon Do. It has legitimate uses. You do need to be aware of surroundings though. If 4 guys come chasing you, you might want to try running away instead of getting a take down. There is no shame in passing on an unfair fight.

Not to mention, if you are in a bar fight, you are also going to be attacking with illegal moves. 12-6 elbows to the base of the neck/spine would be perfect.