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Deconstructing God and the bible

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Alright, that's it.

Any idea how much I despise being forced to communicate through such primitive languages? Any idea how much it hurts to see that no one understands what you're attempting to make clear?

I do NOT gain pleasure from 'fanning the flames', I only seek understanding, knowledge and wisdom. To see that people around you can only laugh at you and ridicule you doesn't just hurt, it feels like they've ripped your heart out of your chest.

I'm sorry, but this discussion has come to an end. I finally have to accept what I have known for some time, that my thoughts will only be ridiculed by all of you. Never will I see appreciation from someone else because of something I've done or said. Never will they understand me.

I remain an outcast. A freak, ridiculed by people where ever he goes. Doomed to live out his days in isolation.

I'm sorry. >>

The innocent bit is quite droll. If you are going to hand out pejorative descriptions about people who have faith in their religion, then you should be able to take the rebutle. Don't start sobbing, bury your head in the sand and claim that nobody understands you.
 
Alright, that's it.

Any idea how much I despise being forced to communicate through such primitive languages? Any idea how much it hurts to see that no one understands what you're attempting to make clear?

I do NOT gain pleasure from 'fanning the flames', I only seek understanding, knowledge and wisdom. To see that people around you can only laugh at you and ridicule you doesn't just hurt, it feels like they've ripped your heart out of your chest.

I'm sorry, but this discussion has come to an end. I finally have to accept what I have known for some time, that my thoughts will only be ridiculed by all of you. Never will I see appreciation from someone else because of something I've done or said. Never will they understand me.

I remain an outcast. A freak, ridiculed by people where ever he goes. Doomed to live out his days in isolation.

I'm sorry.

Dan -

You have proven one basic principal here. The truth hurts. You are the prince of all flamebait. You cant help yourself but to slam all religion. Ive met many a person who purported to be like yourself. Seekers of 'enligtenment'. For some, its not enlightenment they seek, but to force their views on others such as yourself.

Hopefully you have learned a lesson today. Hopefully YOU have been enlightened.
 


<< Alright, that's it.

Any idea how much I despise being forced to communicate through such primitive languages? Any idea how much it hurts to see that no one understands what you're attempting to make clear?

I do NOT gain pleasure from 'fanning the flames', I only seek understanding, knowledge and wisdom. To see that people around you can only laugh at you and ridicule you doesn't just hurt, it feels like they've ripped your heart out of your chest.

I'm sorry, but this discussion has come to an end. I finally have to accept what I have known for some time, that my thoughts will only be ridiculed by all of you. Never will I see appreciation from someone else because of something I've done or said. Never will they understand me.

I remain an outcast. A freak, ridiculed by people where ever he goes. Doomed to live out his days in isolation.

I'm sorry.

Dan -

You have proven one basic principal here. The truth hurts. You are the prince of all flamebait. You cant help yourself but to slam all religion. Ive met many a person who purported to be like yourself. Seekers of 'enligtenment'. For some, its not enlightenment they seek, but to force their views on others such as yourself.

Hopefully you have learned a lesson today. Hopefully YOU have been enlightened. >>


I don't expect any of you to understand.

The reason why I'm currently at the verge of a mental breakdown and am experiencing rather unpleasant emotions is unrelated to anything which has occurred on this forum. To know the reasons, you'll have to know more about my life in the 'real' world, not on some forum.

There is a reason why yesterday night, I for some moments considered suicide to be a viable option.

And please, this is not a joke.
 


<< To see that people around you can only laugh at you and ridicule you doesn't just hurt, it feels like they've ripped your heart out of your chest. >>


Dude, it's just a message board. Go take a walk around the big room with the blue ceiling for awhile.
Edit: OK, you're not talking specifically about the events in this thread--sorry for that assumption! Hope things start to go your way.

I'm all about being enlightened and sharing enlightenment with others, but one of the first steps towards enlightenment has to be letting down your defenses. I'm quite open to hearing about why some think God(s) is/are real or not and sharing new and old viewpoints. I'm not at all open to one making another feel inferior over beliefs.
If you want to share in the enlightenment (what little of it there is to find on ATOT) then you have to open yourself up to it.

 


<< There is a reason why yesterday night, I for some moments considered suicide to be a viable option.

And please, this is not a joke. >>



if it isn't a joke and the only place you have turned to is the forums here vs someone in REAL life. . .

GET A FRIGGIN LIFE. If you are considering suicide and the only people you have to turn to are avatars on anandtech you need some real help.

btw, the fact that you posted here makes it a joke.
 
>There is a reason why yesterday night, I for some moments considered suicide to be a viable option.
>And please, this is not a joke.

Dan -

You arent the first and you wont be the last to consider suicide. That is the beauty of my faith. I know God loves me. I know that when I die I will be judged, and hopefully will be accepted into heaven where I will be reunited with my beloved friends and relatives.

We all have our ups and downs. But it is this comfort that helps me pull through. In the bleakest moments - I HAVE FAITH.

I invite you to discover your faith in God.
 


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<< To see that people around you can only laugh at you and ridicule you doesn't just hurt, it feels like they've ripped your heart out of your chest. >>


Dude, it's just a message board. Go take a walk around the big room with the blue ceiling for awhile.
Edit: OK, you're not talking specifically about the events in this thread--sorry for that assumption! Hope things start to go your way.

I'm all about being enlightened and sharing enlightenment with others, but one of the first steps towards enlightenment has to be letting down your defenses. I'm quite open to hearing about why some think God(s) is/are real or not and sharing new and old viewpoints. I'm not at all open to one making another feel inferior over beliefs.
If you want to share in the enlightenment (what little of it there is to find on ATOT) then you have to open yourself up to it. >>


*sarcastic laugh*

I'll first have to avoid losing my sanity.

For a long time I've kept the feelings caused by various unpleasant events in my life sealed away, but I can no longer control them. They're consuming me.
 


<< I don't expect any of you to understand.

The reason why I'm currently at the verge of a mental breakdown and am experiencing rather unpleasant emotions is unrelated to anything which has occurred on this forum. To know the reasons, you'll have to know more about my life in the 'real' world, not on some forum.

There is a reason why yesterday night, I for some moments considered suicide to be a viable option.

And please, this is not a joke. >>

elledan,

If it's the case that you have issues in your life that are causing you mental anguish, then take Jzero's advice. Take a step back from the forums and breath deep. And if you can't get away, then read a Linuxboy post. That'll either confuse enough to make you forget what was bothering you or make you feel smarter for understanding it.

Either way, find your rock and go from there.

🙂
 
so instead of pondering the existence of god (and suicide) why dont you go get help? you will not gain sh*t by sitting there posting..
 
Don't you know? All religion is a psychosis. You need help and quite possibly psychotropic medication to control your delusional fantasies.
And in the extreme, a straight jacket. Have FAITH, we are here to help you overcome your weakness. We are here for you.
 
Oh my! I'm so sick and tired of people calling every thread flamebait when it concerns a controversial topic. What law forbids us from confronting the controversial subjects? If you're afraid of touching it, then don't. As the saying goes: It takes two to tangle. That is self-explanatory, I believe; so you should know how applicable it is to you.

Arkitech has shown interest in the subject of religion. Perhaps he is trying to find himself and hoping in the process to renew his belief or to have found a new more rational system. I see no transgression in him posing a question like this or posing his case.

Yes, these kinds of subjects get irritating at some point since it's been touched over and over and gets old. Yes, there are some people who just post it with the sole intent of inflaming quiet monsters. However, I see no case for that here. Arkitech is not a real regular and he has shown intense interest in the subject matter himself.

If you have an opinion, even if you believe it to be absolute, then present it against his. It is up to the audience whether to accept it or not.

Yes, many of us come with our minds already made up and we leave with our minds still of the same opinion. However, there's always some little, big for that matter, lesson that we each learn from our dialogues.

The other day, Linux Boy, for instance, got into a heated discussion with a few other members about "logic" as JohnnyReb termed it. Well, at the end, whetehr sarcastically or truthfully, Linux Boy had learned how essential it was that he express himself in the language of the audience. He saw the essence of communication and decided he would endeavour from then on to convey his message more simplistically.

We each acquire little knowledge we might not note or appreciate until, say, a year from the time we acquire it where we find use of its application.

Elledan, wanna sit for coffee? We'll discuss it out. I always suspected you had much inner deeper issues that caused you to live in despair and detest certain religions or peoples. I have always thought you felt rejected by those and things you detested. However, Elledan, sadly, it is all your imagination. I am afraid you have confused reality with illusion because you have automatically attempted to protect yourself from the mischievous and wicked earth and its members. You on that basis think you've found yourself by denying Christianity and acting hostile toward it (and possibly its believers). Sadly, you're in denial and know within you that you are only trying to avoid your true problems so you won't be hurt again. Elledan, by no means am I saying you must be a Christian to be happy or to have found satisfaction. What I am saying is, you are concealing your true issue in life (i.e., what has caused you to live in that much despair). At this point, it seems to me you are at the breaking point of an existentialist. Sort your way through it all and you'll succeed. 🙂

On that note: I'm off for the day. 🙂
 
<----- /picks up soapbox and hands it to luvly

That was a mouth full. 🙂

I think it was Fausto or maybe Jzero that said the topic would be better served if it was narrowed to something a bit less broad. It helps people focus their ideas and keeps the thread on track a little better. I would tend to agree with them.

😀
 


<< Elledan, wanna sit for coffee? We'll discuss it out. I always suspected you had much inner deeper issues that caused you to live in despair and detest certain religions or peoples. I have always thought you felt rejected by those and things you detested. However, Elledan, sadly, it is all your imagination. I am afraid you have confused reality with illusion because you have automatically attempted to protect yourself from the mischievous and wicked earth and its members. You on that basis think you've found yourself by denying Christianity and acting hostile toward it (and possible its believers). Sadly, you're in denial and know within you that you are only trying to avoid your true problems so you won't be hurt again. Elledan, by no means am I saying you must be a Christian to be happy or to have found satisfaction. What I am saying is, you are concealing your true issue in life (i.e., what has caused you to live in that much despair). At this point, it seems to me you are at the breaking point of an existentialist. Sort your way through it all and you'll succeed >>


You could be no further from the truth.

For example, I do not bear hostile feelings towards anyone or anything.

It's not 'all my imagination'.

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By the way, after having spend some time meditating, I'm once again in full control of my thoughts and emotions 🙂

It's most curious how such a moment of weakness comes and goes without leaving a trace.
 
Please don't confuse Elledan with Red Dawn.

Elledan at least has a valid point and content in his posts.



Just because you don't like his point of view doesn't give you the right to act like mini Red Dawns.

Trying to prove your God exists is pointless. Its called Faith, look into it.
 
Those that want to read formal arguements for the existence of God and the divine nature of the Bible are encouraged to visit apologetics.com. The word "apologetics" when used in a theological context means "a reasoned explanation".

My favorite arguement for the existence of God is the ontological arguement, or the arguement from being. It basically states that the denial of the existence of God leads to a logical impossibility.

1) I can conceive of a being than which none greater can be conceived.
2) If such a being does not exist, then one that *does* exist is even greater (having all properties of the former plus the additional property of existence).
3) We can call the existing being in #2 God.
4) If God does not exist, then I can conceive of a being greater than the being than which none greater can be conceived.
5) It is impossible to conceive of a being greater than the being than which none greater can be conceived.
6) God exists

 


<< Please don't confuse Elledan with Red Dawn.

Elledan at least has a valid point and content in his posts.



Just because you don't like his point of view doesn't give you the right to act like mini Red Dawns.

Trying to prove your God exists is pointless. Its called Faith, look into it. >>

I don't quite understand you, Tex. It's really odd the way you and elledan swap billboard space in your respective sigs to promote eachother for "elite" status and now you're defending elledan because he threw a tantrum when people called him on his condescending attitude?

Within this thread nobody was acting like "mini Red Dawns" toward elledan and I'm sure that he can speak up for himself if he feels he's being unfairly treated. Plus, I'm sure you can see from the posts that he even start contributed to the flaming by immediately labeling people as "misguided" and "ignorant." If you want to blame us for anything, it should only be for not choosing to accept the editorialzing that he was about to go into at face value because it's just unproductive and hurtful. Elledan's a smart peson and I'm sure he knows what he's saying. If he chooses to be rude then he should accept the logical consequence.

whatever.
 


<< I don't quite understand you, Tex. It's really odd the way you and elledan swap billboard space in your respective sigs to promote eachother for "elite" status and now you're defending elledan because he threw a tantrum when people called him on his condescending attitude? >>




The sig thing was an inside joke.

And he has been taking hits from multiple people in here.



<< Within this thread nobody was acting like "mini Red Dawns" toward elledan and I'm sure that he can speak up for himself if he feels he's being unfairly treated. >>



Flaming him (and I'm not talking about you specifically) will not change his mind or his attitude about religion.



<< Plus, I'm sure you can see from the posts that he even start contributed to the flaming by immediately labeling people as "misguided" and "ignorant." If you want to blame us for anything, it should only be for not choosing to accept the editorialzing that he was about to go into at face value because it's just unproductive and hurtful. Elledan's a smart peson and I'm sure he knows what he's saying. If he chooses to be rude then he should accept the logical consequence.

whatever. >>



Hell I don't agree with him either on this subject but it does no good to flame on a religion thread.
 


<< Flaming him (and I'm not talking about you specifically) will not change his mind or his attitude about religion. >>


We'll never change anyone's mind about religion, and I don't expect him or anyone else to.
Attitude? Well, you can hate religion all you want and even say you hate it, but if you're interested in having a good discussion, then drop the "I'm better than you" sh!t and start sharing and asking questions for real.
If you can't approach the topic with an open mind and a willing-to-participate attitude, you should just leave it alone.
Why essentially say "There's no way you can convince me that God exists." And then say "Try to convince me that God exists." What's the point?
[By "you" I mean generic "you" not anyone in particular in this case]



<< Hell I don't agree with him either on this subject but it does no good to flame on a religion thread. >>


Agreed, which is why I called Elledan on it to begin with, and I like to think I raised my criticism civilly enough. Dunno about others, though.
 
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