Decoding Mr. Bush's Denials

BBond

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An editorial from the NY Times that examines the latest Bush propaganda campaign -- ridiculous excuses meant to exonerate Bush of his outright lies.

Bush claims that his critics are re-writing history when in fact it was Bush who re-wrote history using intelligence that was as much as a decade old and sanitized at that.

Bush claims that Congress had the same intelligence he had. A claim that is patently false.

I find Bush's latest propaganda campaign to be as offensive to the American people as was his propaganda campaign to conduct his unprovoked and disastrous invasion of Iraq. Does this lout actually believe the American people are stupid enough to fall for his regurgitated nonsense?

Recent polls seem to prove otherwise. But in the warped mind of George W. Bush and his worshippers, that's probably viewed as re-writing history too.

Decoding Mr. Bush's Denials

Published: November 15, 2005

To avoid having to account for his administration's misleading statements before the war with Iraq, President Bush has tried denial, saying he did not skew the intelligence. He's tried to share the blame, claiming that Congress had the same intelligence he had, as well as President Bill Clinton. He's tried to pass the buck and blame the C.I.A. Lately, he's gone on the attack, accusing Democrats in Congress of aiding the terrorists.

Yesterday in Alaska, Mr. Bush trotted out the same tedious deflection on Iraq that he usually attempts when his back is against the wall: he claims that questioning his actions three years ago is a betrayal of the troops in battle today.

It all amounts to one energetic effort at avoidance. But like the W.M.D. reports that started the whole thing, the only problem is that none of it has been true.


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Mr. Bush says everyone had the same intelligence he had - Mr. Clinton and his advisers, foreign governments, and members of Congress - and that all of them reached the same conclusions. The only part that is true is that Mr. Bush was working off the same intelligence Mr. Clinton had. But that is scary, not reassuring. The reports about Saddam Hussein's weapons were old, some more than 10 years old. Nothing was fresher than about five years, except reports that later proved to be fanciful.

Foreign intelligence services did not have full access to American intelligence. But some had dissenting opinions that were ignored or not shown to top American officials. Congress had nothing close to the president's access to intelligence. The National Intelligence Estimate presented to Congress a few days before the vote on war was sanitized to remove dissent and make conjecture seem like fact.

It's hard to imagine what Mr. Bush means when he says everyone reached the same conclusion. There was indeed a widespread belief that Iraq had chemical and biological weapons. But Mr. Clinton looked at the data and concluded that inspections and pressure were working - a view we now know was accurate. France, Russia and Germany said war was not justified. Even Britain admitted later that there had been no new evidence about Iraq, just new politics.

The administration had little company in saying that Iraq was actively trying to build a nuclear weapon. The evidence for this claim was a dubious report about an attempt in 1999 to buy uranium from Niger, later shown to be false, and the infamous aluminum tubes story. That was dismissed at the time by analysts with real expertise.


The Bush administration was also alone in making the absurd claim that Iraq was in league with Al Qaeda and somehow connected to the 9/11 terrorist attacks. That was based on two false tales. One was the supposed trip to Prague by Mohamed Atta, a report that was disputed before the war and came from an unreliable drunk. The other was that Iraq trained Qaeda members in the use of chemical and biological weapons. Before the war, the Defense Intelligence Agency concluded that this was a deliberate fabrication by an informer.

Mr. Bush has said in recent days that the first phase of the Senate Intelligence Committee's investigation on Iraq found no evidence of political pressure to change the intelligence. That is true only in the very narrow way the Republicans on the committee insisted on defining pressure: as direct pressure from senior officials to change intelligence. Instead, the Bush administration made what it wanted to hear crystal clear and kept sending reports back to be redone until it got those answers.

Richard Kerr, a former deputy director of central intelligence, said in 2003 that there was "significant pressure on the intelligence community to find evidence that supported a connection" between Iraq and Al Qaeda. The C.I.A. ombudsman told the Senate Intelligence Committee that the administration's "hammering" on Iraq intelligence was harder than he had seen in his 32 years at the agency.

Mr. Bush and other administration officials say they faithfully reported what they had read. But Vice President Dick Cheney presented the Prague meeting as a fact when even the most supportive analysts considered it highly dubious. The administration has still not acknowledged that tales of Iraq coaching Al Qaeda on chemical warfare were considered false, even at the time they were circulated.

Mr. Cheney was not alone. Remember Condoleezza Rice's infamous "mushroom cloud" comment? And Secretary of State Colin Powell in January 2003, when the rich and powerful met in Davos, Switzerland, and he said, "Why is Iraq still trying to procure uranium and the special equipment needed to transform it into material for nuclear weapons?" Mr. Powell ought to have known the report on "special equipment"' - the aluminum tubes - was false. And the uranium story was four years old.

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The president and his top advisers may very well have sincerely believed that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. But they did not allow the American people, or even Congress, to have the information necessary to make reasoned judgments of their own. It's obvious that the Bush administration misled Americans about Mr. Hussein's weapons and his terrorist connections. We need to know how that happened and why.

Mr. Bush said last Friday that he welcomed debate, even in a time of war, but that "it is deeply irresponsible to rewrite the history of how that war began." We agree, but it is Mr. Bush and his team who are rewriting history.
 

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Doesn't this fall into the broad definition of liberals rewriting history. I'm sure that if Bush had needed this jerk to interpret for him, he would have offered him the job and he would have taken it. Not even a good try and would only fool the least intelligent of the liberals. By the way, who posted this? Ah, that explains a lot.
 

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Originally posted by: Condor
Doesn't this fall into the broad definition of liberals rewriting history. I'm sure that if Bush had needed this jerk to interpret for him, he would have offered him the job and he would have taken it. Not even a good try and would only fool the least intelligent of the liberals. By the way, who posted this? Ah, that explains a lot.

I thought you reached the height of delusion in your posts on Sunday night but you've somehow managed to outdo yourself again.

If you have something to say that addresses the numerous points in the NY Times editorial I posted, please do so now. Otherwise, please STFU.

 

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Originally posted by: BBond
I find Bush's latest propaganda campaign to be as offensive to the American people as was his propaganda campaign to conduct his unprovoked and disastrous invasion of Iraq. Does this lout actually believe the American people are stupid enough to fall for his regurgitated nonsense?

Yes. We fell for everything else, didn't we. God help us if he suceeds again though.
 

2Xtreme21

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Originally posted by: Condor
Doesn't this fall into the broad definition of liberals rewriting history. I'm sure that if Bush had needed this jerk to interpret for him, he would have offered him the job and he would have taken it. Not even a good try and would only fool the least intelligent of the liberals. By the way, who posted this? Ah, that explains a lot.

... what?

Yes, it's those god damned liberals in the Bush administration that are trying to rewrite history..

Knew we shouldn't have listened to those pot-smokers... all they are is trouble!!!

I don't know... am I the only one that finds it hilarious that Repugs are now trying to pass this entire lie off as liberal history re-writing?
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Titan
Originally posted by: BBond
I find Bush's latest propaganda campaign to be as offensive to the American people as was his propaganda campaign to conduct his unprovoked and disastrous invasion of Iraq. Does this lout actually believe the American people are stupid enough to fall for his regurgitated nonsense?

Yes. We fell for everything else, didn't we. God help us if he suceeds again though.

Bush is in a panic over America finally beginning to wake up to the truth about his myriad failures and outright lies and that's the reason behind this latest propaganda campaign. He's and his party are frantic to reverse their political fortunes. Bush is frantic over the fact that members of his own party have lost elections because he gave the "support". Bush is frantic because a majority of Americans will vote AGAINST candidates the Bush endorses.

Bush is a political millstone around the neck of the Republican Party.

If Bush succeeds in fooling America again then America will be deserving of the results.

 

BBond

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
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I was wrong, but you shouldn't have beleived what I told you ?

Excellent article, Captn, that does an excellent job of refuting Bush's latest departure from reality.

After reading this, how anyone can believe a single word that comes from Bush's mouth is totally beyond logic. And from recent poll results more and more Americans are coming to that irrefutable conclusion.


 

2Xtreme21

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
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I was wrong, but you shouldn't have beleived what I told you ?

Excellent article, Captn, that does an excellent job of refuting Bush's latest departure from reality.

After reading this, how anyone can believe a single word that comes from Bush's mouth is totally beyond logic. And from recent poll results more and more Americans are coming to that irrefutable conclusion.

Because it's just more liberal pot-smoking lies!! Argh, quit making the enemy win with your traitorous slander!! :roll:
 

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Originally posted by: Condor
Doesn't this fall into the broad definition of liberals rewriting history. I'm sure that if Bush had needed this jerk to interpret for him, he would have offered him the job and he would have taken it. Not even a good try and would only fool the least intelligent of the liberals. By the way, who posted this? Ah, that explains a lot.

The truth really does hurt I see.
 

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It might be interesting to note that Tony Blair has also been accused of lying.

It might also be possible that Cheney's office extracted lousy intelligence from the CIA and then fed it to Bush.
 

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Typical Times editorial. Liberals with a pen, as usual.

How can you say liberals aren't trying to rewrite history? They don't want the public to see (or remember) the words they said before the invasion of Iraq. They want everyone to believe they had no intelligence information and that (somehow) a "dumb" texan was able to pull the wool over the eyes of hundreds of people in Congress.

This is nothing more than a liberal opinion piece full of the usual propaganda and nonsense these parrots spew on a daily basis.
 

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Typical Times editorial. Liberals with a pen, as usual.

How can you say liberals aren't trying to rewrite history? They don't want the public to see (or remember) the words they said before the invasion of Iraq. They want everyone to believe they had no intelligence information and that (somehow) a "dumb" texan was able to pull the wool over the eyes of hundreds of people in Congress.

This is nothing more than a liberal opinion piece full of the usual propaganda and nonsense these parrots spew on a daily basis.

Did the Bush Administration do everything within their power to try and sell this war? Was every part of it legit?
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: bdude
Originally posted by: Pabster
Typical Times editorial. Liberals with a pen, as usual.

How can you say liberals aren't trying to rewrite history? They don't want the public to see (or remember) the words they said before the invasion of Iraq. They want everyone to believe they had no intelligence information and that (somehow) a "dumb" texan was able to pull the wool over the eyes of hundreds of people in Congress.

This is nothing more than a liberal opinion piece full of the usual propaganda and nonsense these parrots spew on a daily basis.

Did the Bush Administration do everything within their power to try and sell this war? Was every part of it legit?

Pablum is spouting the Republican talking points, as usual, rather than address the very real issues brought up in the OP or the Slate article the Captn posted.

It's best to ignore him just as it would have been best to ignore Bush. People like them have nothing to offer, refuse to recognize reality, and are only interested in what's in it for them -- as long as it's someone else's blood flowing for their lies.

 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Typical Times editorial. Liberals with a pen, as usual.

How can you say liberals aren't trying to rewrite history? They don't want the public to see (or remember) the words they said before the invasion of Iraq. They want everyone to believe they had no intelligence information and that (somehow) a "dumb" texan was able to pull the wool over the eyes of hundreds of people in Congress.

This is nothing more than a liberal opinion piece full of the usual propaganda and nonsense these parrots spew on a daily basis.
Typical Pabster spew. ALL MOUTH! Lots of name calling. No information. No facts. No links.

Your denials are no more credible than those from Bushwhackos. If you have any evidence that Bush and company didn't lie about his reasons for starting the war in Iraq, post them. If you don't, please STFU until you do.

The good news is, around 2/3 of Americans now understand that Bush is a liar. That means even most of those who originally supported him have finally woken up and figured it out. :)

The bad news is that it took so long and cost so many lives and so much money and did so much damage to our nation's credibility. :(

Before you try your little name calling game on me again, if you haven't already figured it out, if you call me a "liberal," I'll thank you for the compliment. I'm proud to be identified as one who has a social conscience and is willing to speak up against a war based on lies, the wholesale destruction of the environment to big money interests for short term financial gain, the sellout of construction and services contracts to Haliburton and other admin buddies, in Iraq, for hurricane relief and more, tax cuts for the wealthiest 1% of American citizens at the expense of national security and infrastructure, including schools, highways, bridges, airport and rail safety and more and the sellout of the U.S. Constitution to religious whackos.

I'm a liberal. I'm proud of it. I consider the label one of the nicest things you could say about me. At a minimum, it means I wasn't sucker enough to fall for the Bushwhacko lies. If you have a problem with that, it's your problem, not mine. :cool:
 

OrByte

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Nice Op Ed.

It certainly isn't pretty when an administration loses all credibility. I look forward to the next couple of years just to see the politics of the situation.



 

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I take special note that both condor and pabster made no attempt to address any of the points in the article. Understandable I guess, as this Administrations actions are indefensable.

I wonder how long they think that just pasting a "liberal" label on what they don't like will make these things go away.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: OrByte
Nice Op Ed.

It certainly isn't pretty when an administration loses all credibility. I look forward to the next couple of years just to see the politics of the situation.

Hehe, the Republicans are starting to eat their babies.
 

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You cannot dispute the fact that Saddam had WMD, right? I mean he used them "10 times since 1983" to quote the Clinton administration. Bottom line is that due to Saddam's refusal to abide by the multiple UN resolutions as well as his refusal to itemize his stockpiles, he left us with no choice but to confirm their existence or lack thereof.

I'm sure the facts noted in the link below will be of no use to you since they are contrary to your stance. But at least I'm not utilizing the "epitome of journalistic integrity" The NYTs as reference.

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/Production/files/podhoretz1205advance.html

 

BBond

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Hey lanche, welcome to P&N. Since you just got here a little while ago you may have missed a simple fact...

THE U.S. IRAQ SURVEY GROUP DIDN'T FIND A SINGLE SHRED OF THE WMD YOUR IMBECILE LEADER USED AS AN EXCUSE FOR UNPROVOKED AGGRESSION IN IRAQ.

DAVID KAY, HEAD OF THAT SAME IRAQ SURVEY GROUP SAID, "WE WERE ALMOST ALL WRONG", just in case you missed that too.

So please take your tired disproven bullsh!t and stuff it.

 

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and just think, when Bush is out of office, when it really doesn't matter anymore, and he's retired to his plush condo in Florida, he will finally admit, in his Book, that he attacked Iraq cuz he wanted Saddam gone cuz Saddam has put out a hit on his daddy. That's the only TRUTH. TEXAS JUSTICE! Hang da bitch, Bush will be the biggest cheerleader for that one!
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
I take special note that both condor and pabster made no attempt to address any of the points in the article. Understandable I guess, as this Administrations actions are indefensable.

Sorry, I've got better things to do than filter through the daily liberal hate op-ed pieces these parrots around here lather us in on a daily basis.

News flash, libbies - op-ed pieces from the Times are not fact.

I made my point - the liberals are attempting to rewrite history. Not in the literal sense, mind you, but in the sense of obfuscation...just like they do with everything else. When you libbies have a good explanation for why your party leaders and talking heads see fit to criticize Bush when they spoke the same words and voted a certain way...

I'll now sit back and await the obligatory "Bush Lied!!!" mantra from the usual parrots.

 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Sorry, I've got better things to do than filter through the daily liberal hate op-ed pieces these parrots around here lather us in on a daily basis.

News flash, libbies - op-ed pieces from the Times are not fact.
News flash, Pabster -- Your unsubstantiated opinion isn't worth dogsh8 until you can prove anything you say. I don't think you've ever done that.
I made my point - the liberals are attempting to rewrite history.
The only point you've made is that you haven't a clue what history or reality is. I'd call you liar, but that would imply you knew what the truth was.

YOU'RE ALL MOUTH! :laugh:
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: bdude
Originally posted by: Pabster
Typical Times editorial. Liberals with a pen, as usual.

How can you say liberals aren't trying to rewrite history? They don't want the public to see (or remember) the words they said before the invasion of Iraq. They want everyone to believe they had no intelligence information and that (somehow) a "dumb" texan was able to pull the wool over the eyes of hundreds of people in Congress.

This is nothing more than a liberal opinion piece full of the usual propaganda and nonsense these parrots spew on a daily basis.

Did the Bush Administration do everything within their power to try and sell this war? Was every part of it legit?

Pablum is spouting the Republican talking points, as usual, rather than address the very real issues brought up in the OP or the Slate article the Captn posted.

It's best to ignore him just as it would have been best to ignore Bush. People like them have nothing to offer, refuse to recognize reality, and are only interested in what's in it for them -- as long as it's someone else's blood flowing for their lies.

There should be a warning disclaimer above in the Forum that there are paid GOP staffers feeding talking points.