declassified documents: U.S. agreed to Israel's nuclear program

SandEagle

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http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.613221

The Obama administration this week declassified papers, after 45 years of top-secret status, documenting contacts between Jerusalem and Washington over American agreement to the existence of an Israeli nuclear option. The Interagency Security Classification Appeals Panel (ISCAP), which is in charge of approving declassification, had for decades consistently refused to declassify these secrets of the Israeli nuclear program.

The documents outline how the American administration worked ahead of the meeting between President Richard Nixon and Prime Minister Golda Meir at the White House in September 1969, as officials came to terms with a three-part Israeli refusal – to sign the Non-Proliferation Treaty; to agree to American inspection of the Dimona nuclear facility; and to condition delivery of fighter jets on Israel’s agreement to give up nuclear weaponry in exchange for strategic ground-to-ground Jericho missiles “capable of reaching the Arab capitals” although “not all the Arab capitals.”

read the entire artical. folks, we've been lied to all this years. :(
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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Really, just assume when it goes to the U.S., Israel always gets a pass.

Considering the events occurring during the timeframe referenced it's indeed no surprise. What's funny is the indignation about "the lie". No government tells everything but they do omit a great deal.
 

hal2kilo

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Considering the events occurring during the timeframe referenced it's indeed no surprise. What's funny is the indignation about "the lie". No government tells everything but they do omit a great deal.

Do you think the Moslem world would have nukes (Pakistan) is they hadn't known, unlike our own people, that Israel had nukes?
 

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Do you think the Moslem world would have nukes (Pakistan) is they hadn't known, unlike our own people, that Israel had nukes?

Well there is this country next to Pakistan called India...I hear they don't get along well.
 

SandEagle

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Not much. It's a release of documents that no one should be surprised about.

it is news, you blind abacus. a nation that has nukes clearly does not need foreign aid from us. also, israel is not a responsible country when it comes to nukes. hell, they tried to sell it to south africa once:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/may/23/israel-south-africa-nuclear-weaponsaid

and don't forget that if israel does have nukes, it is illegal for us to give them aid (under the 1976 Symington Amendment, 1961 Foreign Appropriations Act, and the Glenn Act.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RaAgI7eZMg
 
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cubby1223

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it is news, you blind abacus. a nation that has nukes clearly does not need foreign aid from us. also, israel is not a responsible country when it comes to nukes. hell, they tried to sell it to south africa once:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/may/23/israel-south-africa-nuclear-weaponsaid

and don't forget that if israel does have nukes, it is illegal for us to give them aid (under the 1976 Symington Amendment, 1961 Foreign Appropriations Act, and the Glenn Act.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RaAgI7eZMg

I'm getting the impression you hate Israel. If you would, to confirm my impression, please create 20 more threads on the same subject.
 

SandEagle

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Yes, you hate Israel. We all received the message the first thread you created.

typical shill response lol. wah wah i can't counter and you're right wah wah you must hate israel wah wah. au contraire, mon frere. i would love to visit israel, but too many loons on both side. i do however hate israeli policies against the pals. go ahead and cry anti-semite, you shill. its akin to calling someone a communist back in the days when they didnt agree with your opinion. later, shillol.
 

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Do you think the Moslem world would have nukes (Pakistan) is they hadn't known, unlike our own people, that Israel had nukes?
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cubby1223

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typical shill response lol. wah wah i can't counter and you're right wah wah you must hate israel wah wah. au contraire, mon frere. i would love to visit israel, but too many loons on both side. i do however hate israeli policies against the pals. go ahead and cry anti-semite, you shill. its akin to calling someone a communist back in the days when they didnt agree with your opinion. later, shillol.

Meh, you're just nothing special. That's all :)

Go back in the forum history to the days of the Lemon Law threads. Go back even further there are others just like you posting anything anti-Israel you find. All these exact same topics have been discussed over and over and over again.
 
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JEDIYoda

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it is news, you blind abacus. a nation that has nukes clearly does not need foreign aid from us. also, israel is not a responsible country when it comes to nukes. hell, they tried to sell it to south africa once:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ear-weaponsaid

and don't forget that if israel does have nukes, it is illegal for us to give them aid (under the 1976 Symington Amendment, 1961 Foreign Appropriations Act, and the Glenn Act.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RaAgI7eZMg
ohh...boo hoo quit your incessant crying!!
I would bet you that if Hamas had nukes.....there would be no stopping them......in fact Hamas would have used the nukes on their own people!

If Israel is so irresponsible, why haven`t Israel used the nukes...other than for obvious reasons?

There is no news in what you reported.....you are always digging for dirt against Israel even if you have you use questionable sources and misleading thread titles.....I would guess you just flat out hate Jews......
 

JEDIYoda

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it is news, you blind abacus. a nation that has nukes clearly does not need foreign aid from us. also, israel is not a responsible country when it comes to nukes. hell, they tried to sell it to south africa once:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ear-weaponsaid
You fail to mention that Guardian piece was denounced and was written based on ambiguities...sort of like your incessant bloviation against Israel...more of your half truths......

It has been alleged, but the truth is unknown. This is from wikipedia: In 2010, The Guardian released South African government documents that it alleged confirmed the existence of Israel's nuclear arsenal. According to The Guardian, the documents were associated with an Israeli offer to sell South Africa nuclear weapons in 1975.[17][18] However, none of the documents explicitly confirm that Israel possesses nuclear weapons or that it offered to sell them, and The Guardian's interpretation of the documents is controversial. Israel categorically denied these allegations and said that the documents do not indicate any offer for a sale of nuclear weapons. Shimon Peres said that The Guardian article was based on "selective interpretation... and not on concrete facts."[19] Avner Cohen, author of Israel and the Bomb and the forthcoming The Worst-Kept Secret: Israel's Bargain with the Bomb, said "Nothing in the documents suggests there was an actual offer by Israel to sell nuclear weapons to the regime in Pretoria."

Here is what the Christian Science Monitor had to say about that --


http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Midd...el-offer-to-sell-South-Africa-nuclear-weapons


Excerpts --
Israeli President Shimon Peres, who in 1975 was defense minister and whose signature is apparently on an agreement to keep defense dealings with South Africa secret, rejected the claim on Monday. Israel was supplied non-nuclear armaments to South Africa at the time.

“There exists no basis in reality for the claims published this morning by The Guardian that in 1975 Israel negotiated with South Africa the exchange of nuclear weapons,” Mr. Peres said in a statement. “Unfortunately, the Guardian elected to write its piece based on the selective interpretation of South African documents and not on concrete facts.”

The pledge of secrecy document is separate from the minutes of meetings in which South African officials believed they were being offered nuclear weapons by Israel. Polakow-Suransky says Peres's signature is not on any of those minutes.

Israel has long been thought to have helped South Africa’s nuclear weapons program – which ultimately built six nuclear weapons that were later dismantled. These documents do not indicate that any transfer of nuclear technology took place, and mostly focus on the sale of Israel’s Jericho missiles.

Israel often said it would not be the first to “introduce” nuclear weapons into the Middle East. But in 1986, Israeli nuclear technician Mordechai Vanunu revealed the existence of Israel's nuclear program, providing photos to the Sunday Times of London that enabled analysts to estimate that Israel had some 180 to 200 nuclear warheads.

No proof Israel offered nuclear weapons

Cooperating with South Africa's defense establishment was a "shameful" part of Israel's history, <-- totally agree it was shameful....yet...



said Yossi Melman, intelligence correspondent for Israel's center-left Haaretz newspaper, in an interview with Al Jazeera English today. But while Israel received uranium from South Africa in exchange for materials such as Tritium, he added, there is no proof that Israel ever offered – much less provided – nuclear weapons.

"Israel offered to sell and develop South Africa with Jericho ground-to-ground missiles," Mr. Melman told the TV station. "But there is no evidence – it’s only an interpretation by the author and the Guardian … that Israel also offered nuclear warheads for South Africa, and there is no evidence for that.”

Such a nuclear deal never happened, wrote Avner Cohen, author of Israel and the Bomb, who went farther than Melman in comments posted in a Guardian blog today:

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... there is no proof whatsoever that Israel ultimately officially OFFERED those weapons to SA. In fact, I know that Israel did not: Israel neither offered and passed along nuclear weapons (and materials) nor weapons designs to the South Africans. Whatever the SA discussed among themselves in memos, and regardless of what Minister Peres told them, Prime Minister Rabin and the people in charge of the Israeli nuclear program (Mr. Shaleheveth Freier) were never willing to pass along weapons components and/or designs to the SA. Nothing like that ever formally offered to SA, regardless of Peres' reference to the "correct warhead." At the end of the day South Africa did not ask and Israel did not offer the "correct payloads." Israel did behave as a responsible nuclear state.
 
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JEDIYoda

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Meh, you're just nothing special. That's all

Go back in the forum history to the days of the Lemon Law threads. Go back even further there are others just like you posting anything anti-Israel you find. All these exact same topics have been discussed over and over and over again.
exactly !!
You know I became friends eventually with Lemon law....every Christmas we would talk and wish each other a Merry Christmas....Peace to you Cubby!!
 

SandEagle

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exactly !!
You know I became friends eventually with Lemon law....every Christmas we would talk and wish each other a Merry Christmas....Peace to you Cubby!!

sounds fruity. did you ask for his hand in marriage? lol
 

JEDIYoda

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sounds fruity. did you ask for his hand in marriage? lol
actually if you never knew Lemon law his posting made your posting look amateurish.......He was 100% more pro-Palestinian than you.....yet he was a friend. Why? Because he did not need to resort to misleading threads or misleading and convoluted responses!!
 
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israel has contact with an alien group that the US doesn't have access to ...that's why we cozy up to them.
 

SandEagle

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actually if you never knew Lemon law his posting made your posting look amateurish.......He was 100% more pro-Palestinian than you.....yet he was a friend. Why? Because he did not need to resort to misleading threads or misleading and convoluted responses!!

i aint got nothin against u bro. we can be friends. your opinions here do not bother me as you are entitled to say whatever u want.
 

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it is news, you blind abacus. a nation that has nukes clearly does not need foreign aid from us. also, israel is not a responsible country when it comes to nukes. hell, they tried to sell it to south africa once:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/may/23/israel-south-africa-nuclear-weaponsaid

and don't forget that if israel does have nukes, it is illegal for us to give them aid (under the 1976 Symington Amendment, 1961 Foreign Appropriations Act, and the Glenn Act.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RaAgI7eZMg

No it's not news, if your that dense to not know that *shrug*

Trying to catch up on you're world history a bit lately it looks ?