Debunking the Palin Myths - redux

[jonks]

McCain lies right to american women's faces. More facts from the biased organization known as AP.

http://ap.google.com/article/A...99P3jt2bEXw7gD935ATO80

NEW YORK (AP) ? Republican John McCain said Friday that running mate Sarah Palin has never asked for money for lawmakers' pet projects as Alaska governor when in fact she has sought nearly $200 million in earmarks this year.

McCain made the comments as he appeared on the ABC television show "The View" as part of his effort to woo women to his candidacy.

The Arizona senator said the GOP vice presidential nominee would be good for the country because she would reform government, and specifically cited curbing federal spending for earmarks.

When pressed about Palin's record of requesting and accepting such money for Alaska, McCain ignored the record and said: "Not as governor she didn't."

Sherri "The Earth is Flat/Nothing Came Before Jesus" Sheppard probably loves Palin.

Seriously, someone needs to call him on this utter line of bullshit. Krugman got off to a nice start, but I'd love to see a clear eyed conservative commentator say fucking something. This is O'Reilly's chance to prove he has some level-headedness. He called out Westmoreland for the 'uppity' flap, let's see him step up to the plate on this clear bold faced lie.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: yuppiejr

It actually sounds like Palin was vetting a member of her staff who had known loyalties to a political opponent. With all the talk about vetting Palin I'm surprised at the response to her doing the same thing to a member of the prior administration's staff that she chose to terminate...

No, it sound slike she has a penchant for right-wing extremism to ban books for no good reason, and is enough of a devious snake to try to carve out plausible deniability in how she tried to get it done. She approached the librarian to ask her the 'hypotheticl' question. If the librarian agreed, then ask her to do it. Since she didn't, get rid of the librarian without it actually being on the record that she made the specific request.

She has a reputation for getting rid of existing people to make room for her extreme loyalists, as shown by six of her loyalists contacting the state police chief to pressure him.

One of the people involved in the librarian scandal said that Palin has 'hated her' and kept an 'enemies list' of all those who sided with the librarian, to this day.

She's got a lot in common with Nixon it appears in wanting to have an 'ultra politicall loyal' staff who she can have cross lines and not mind doing it, discreetly.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: jbourne77
Knee-jerk response. He wasn't attacking Obama; he was saying stick a fork in the entire damn topic of experience already.

Of course, he was, or else he wouldn't have brought up the empty talking point of 'executive experience' in the first place.

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: Vic
And FYI: Obama is running against McCain, not Palin.

I'm not sure it's the conservatives that need to be reminded of that. I hear more about Palin from the Democrats than I do about McCain. Of course, when confronted with this, they say McCain is going to be dead in 3 months, so we need to talk about Palin. Okay. Fine. Wait... who's Obama running against again? So hard to keep this all straight...

Yes, they do, because they want to keep the spotlight on St. Sarah and off McCain and his weaknesses as much as possible. This will backfire though because America would not vote for Palin is she was at the top the ticket. Would you? Seriously?

I would, because Obama's economics scare the liquid shit out of me. Economics and abortion are pretty much the only two reasons I call myself a conservative. Abortion because it's just a fundamental moral topic for me, and economics because so much of the country's success depends on it. I'm flexible/liberal on most other topics, but the two I've cited - especially economics - are far too critical to leave to the utopic minds of people like Obama.

And I'm not alone since McCain/Palin are up in the polls. Sure, the election is far from over, but America doesn't have the opposition to Palin that the liberals are trying to manufacture.

[edit]

And I maintain that Genx87's comment was pretty darn party neutral. I've got no problem saying the same to McCain/Palin supporters questioning Obama's experience. It's a dead freaking horse.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Craig234

She's got a lot in common with Nixon it appears in wanting to have an 'ultra politicall loyal' staff who she can have cross lines and not mind doing it, discreetly.

I think we have more recent examples than Nixon for unqualified political appointments based on cronyism and blind loyalty, no?

 

[TheVrolok]

It's ok for her to suggest banning books, as long as it happens?
and then attempt to fire the librarian who objected.

It's ok for her to agree with her campaign's inane "lipstick on a pig" Obama smear?

It's ok for her to also agree with her campaign's equally inane smear regarding Obaman's desire to teach little kids all about sex which just happens to be a complete lie?

It's ok for her to 100% support the Bridge To Nowhere even as it was being talked down nationally, and then once she finds out she can keep the earmark dollars anyway back down and continue to spend the money (oh yeah, she's HUGE on not spending). She's lying through her teeth on this one, it's not even stretching the truth, it's flat out lying.

It's ok that she supports creationism being taught in schools? Again, this one doesn't have to be a mandate, just supporting the teaching creationism in science class is ludicrous.

How about her claim as a fantastic family figure? Her daughter gets pregnant at 17 out of wedlock - ok, sure, it happens, but let's not talk as if we're holier than thou if this is the case. What about the naming of her kids? Runner.. because she likes to run.. Bristol.. because they like fishing at the Bristol Bay.. Piper because Todd had a '58 Piper.. Trig Paxon Van because Trig is Norse for brave, Paxon is an area of Alaska they like, and Van is cool because of Van Halen. Honestly? Sounds a hell of a lot more like an ex-hippie than a staunch Christian. Oh wait, she eloped (couldn't even get witnesses, had to drag 2 folks from the old person's home next to the courthouse to make it legal) with her husband and her first child was born just under 8 months later? Oh, ok then. All that time while she was heading the Christian Athletes club at her high school? Then she's posing wearing a "I may be broke, but at least I'm not flat busted." t-shirt in college .. sure, again, I have no problem with coy-sexy little t-shirt sayings, but can we stop pretending to be a Christian crusader then?

How about her linking Iraq to 9/11, or her readiness to go to war with Russia?

Her telling her church that it was God's will to build a natural gas pipeline in Alaska?


I could go on.. but these are easily enough reasons for her not to run this country (when McCain dies in a year or two).

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: jbourne77
Becaused there IS nothing that happened. The story is non-existent. There's no cream filling. You need a target before you start discussing accuracy, don't you think?

You're wrong that 'nothing happened'. Palin did ask the librarian about her willingness to ban the books at Palin's request, a fact itself and implying intenit.

It's reportedly a fact that Palin tried to get rid of the librarian who woul not carry out her censoring desires.

The librarian not going along with her request, the community defenfint the librarian to stop Palin, don't remove the facts.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Craig234

She's got a lot in common with Nixon it appears in wanting to have an 'ultra politicall loyal' staff who she can have cross lines and not mind doing it, discreetly.

I think we have more recent examples than Nixon for unqualified political appointments based on cronyism and blind loyalty, no?

None come to mind. We've had a great streak of presidents after him.

I picked Nixon because something about her conniving reminds me more of him than Bush.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: jbourne77
Becaused there IS nothing that happened. The story is non-existent. There's no cream filling. You need a target before you start discussing accuracy, don't you think?

You're wrong that 'nothing happened'. Palin did ask the librarian about her willingness to ban the books at Palin's request, a fact itself and implying intenit.

It's reportedly a fact that Palin tried to get rid of the librarian who woul not carry out her censoring desires.

The librarian not going along with her request, the community defenfint the librarian to stop Palin, don't remove the facts.

Yawn

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: jbourne77
Knee-jerk response. He wasn't attacking Obama; he was saying stick a fork in the entire damn topic of experience already.

Of course, he was, or else he wouldn't have brought up the empty talking point of 'executive experience' in the first place.

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: Vic
And FYI: Obama is running against McCain, not Palin.

I'm not sure it's the conservatives that need to be reminded of that. I hear more about Palin from the Democrats than I do about McCain. Of course, when confronted with this, they say McCain is going to be dead in 3 months, so we need to talk about Palin. Okay. Fine. Wait... who's Obama running against again? So hard to keep this all straight...

Yes, they do, because they want to keep the spotlight on St. Sarah and off McCain and his weaknesses as much as possible. This will backfire though because America would not vote for Palin is she was at the top the ticket. Would you? Seriously?

I would, because Obama's economics scare the liquid shit out of me. Economics and abortion are pretty much the only two reasons I call myself a conservative. Abortion because it's just a fundamental moral topic for me, and economics because so much of the country's success depends on it. I'm flexible/liberal on most other topics, but the two I've cited - especially economics - are far too critical to leave to the utopic minds of people like Obama.

And I'm not alone since McCain/Palin are up in the polls. Sure, the election is far from over, but America doesn't have the opposition to Palin that the liberals are trying to manufacture.

The Tax Policy Center, a think tank run jointly by the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, concluded that Obama's plan would increase after-tax income for middle-income taxpayers by about 5 percent by 2012, or nearly $2,200 annually. McCain's plan, which cuts taxes across all income levels, would raise after tax-income for middle-income taxpayers by 3 percent, the center concluded.
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Obama would provide $80 billion in tax breaks, mainly for poor workers and the elderly, including tripling the Earned Income Tax Credit for minimum-wage workers and higher credits for larger families.

He also would raise income taxes, capital gains and dividend taxes on the wealthiest. He would raise payroll taxes on taxpayers with incomes above $250,000, and he would raise corporate taxes. Small businesses that make more than $250,000 a year would see taxes rise.

In addition, since McCain's economic plan is essentially the same as Bush's and our economy is currently thriving, I can clearly see why Obama's would scare you so much.

Oh, and just as a point of reference, can we please stop calling pro-lifers conservative? By definition, pro-lifers are exceedingly liberal, it is the pro-choice folks that are conservative. I can't wait for a day (if it ever comes) when conservative stops meaning "Christian fundamentalist."

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: yuppiejr

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Let me simplify the first one for you:
Here are her actual words: "Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

Palin is clearly praying that we're doing the right thing in Iraq, something sensible for an introspective woman of faith concerned about the lives of our troops to do. She's not saying that she just received a text message from heaven's BlackBerry ordering her to launch missiles. Sorry to disappoint you.

And for those of you who think politicians asking God for guidance is offensive, might I remind you of this famous politician's prayer:

"Give me the wisdom to do what is right and just. And make me an instrument of your will." --Barack Obama


Palin is PRESUMING to know what god wants, whereas Barack asks only to be a vessel and let god decide what his will is.
It's really simple. She's not asking if what she's doing is right, she's presuming to know god's will. How can you not see the difference?
Example 1)Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right - Here she is clearly stating that they are doing what's right, not asking that if what they are doing is right or god's will.

Example 2) Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God - again, palin is presuming to know god's checklist of things to do

Example 3) That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan." - do I even have to say it a 3rd time?

She's far too involved in her religion to NOT let it influence, interfere and dictate her position, which it clearly should. If she's a representative of the people it's all people not just christians.

Didn't we have a similar debate over Barak Obama and the Reverend Wright? If you are going to really lean into this woman's religion and it's influence over her public life you open the door for the same scrutiny of all candidates in this race. Wasn't this topic "off limits" for the Obama folks, do we want to go down that road again?

Wright may have said some inflammatory things but they didn't come out of Obama's mouth. The words in bold were spoken by Palin. There is a BIG difference.

 

[Stuxnet]

This might come as a shock to you, but there's quite a bit more to economic policy than middle class taxes. As for our current economic situation, blame the lending market, which was dolling out sub-prime mortgages by the truckload long before Bush took office.

Oh, and pro-choice != Christian Fundamentalist. Sometimes, but not always. Huge paint brushes don't always make for the best tool.

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: jbourne77
This might come as a shock to you, but there's quite a bit more to economic policy than middle class taxes. As for our current economic situation, blame the lending market, which was dolling out sub-prime mortgages by the truckload long before Bush took office.

Oh, and pro-choice != Christian Fundamentalist. Sometimes, but not always. Huge paint brushes don't always make for the best tool.

1) Are you going to respond to anything I said other than providing your own economic insight, which is essentially meaningless. No offense, mine would be just as meaningless.

2) I never said that pro-choice OR pro-life were Christian Fundamentalism.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: TheVrolok

Originally posted by: jbourne77
This might come as a shock to you, but there's quite a bit more to economic policy than middle class taxes. As for our current economic situation, blame the lending market, which was dolling out sub-prime mortgages by the truckload long before Bush took office.

Oh, and pro-choice != Christian Fundamentalist. Sometimes, but not always. Huge paint brushes don't always make for the best tool.

1) Are you going to respond to anything I said other than providing your own economic insight, which is essentially meaningless. No offense, mine would be just as meaningless.

2) I never said that pro-choice OR pro-life were Christian Fundamentalism.

I'm pretty sure I did. You insinuated that Obama's economic policy is more sound because he would lower taxes on the middle class. That might get some middle class votes, but it's hardly definitive. You also mentioned the current economic policy of Bush, and tied McCain to it. I responded by saying Bush hardly responsible for the situation we're in (with the exception of our debt).

Maybe I didn't write a novel, but I did respond to what you said.

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: TheVrolok

Originally posted by: jbourne77
This might come as a shock to you, but there's quite a bit more to economic policy than middle class taxes. As for our current economic situation, blame the lending market, which was dolling out sub-prime mortgages by the truckload long before Bush took office.

Oh, and pro-choice != Christian Fundamentalist. Sometimes, but not always. Huge paint brushes don't always make for the best tool.

1) Are you going to respond to anything I said other than providing your own economic insight, which is essentially meaningless. No offense, mine would be just as meaningless.

2) I never said that pro-choice OR pro-life were Christian Fundamentalism.

I'm pretty sure I did. You insinuated that Obama's economic policy is more sound because he would lower taxes on the middle class. That might get some middle class votes, but it's hardly definitive. You also mentioned the current economic policy of Bush, and tied McCain to it. I responded by saying Bush hardly responsible for the situation we're in (with the exception of our debt).

Maybe I didn't write a novel, but I did respond to what you said.

Look a few more posts up.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: jbourne77
I would, because Obama's economics scare the liquid shit out of me. Economics and abortion are pretty much the only two reasons I call myself a conservative. Abortion because it's just a fundamental moral topic for me, and economics because so much of the country's success depends on it. I'm flexible/liberal on most other topics, but the two I've cited - especially economics - are far too critical to leave to the utopic minds of people like Obama.

And I'm not alone since McCain/Palin are up in the polls. Sure, the election is far from over, but America doesn't have the opposition to Palin that the liberals are trying to manufacture.

[edit]

And I maintain that Genx87's comment was pretty darn party neutral. I've got no problem saying the same to McCain/Palin supporters questioning Obama's experience. It's a dead freaking horse.

Which economics is that? I want details, not bullsh!t.

Because all I see from McCain's economic plans is that he is going to continue Bush's economic plans. And that's a hell of a lot more than just the subprime bubble.

edit:

I responded by saying Bush is hardly responsible for the situation we're in (with the exception of our debt).

You can't be serious.

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: jbourne77
I would, because Obama's economics scare the liquid shit out of me. Economics and abortion are pretty much the only two reasons I call myself a conservative. Abortion because it's just a fundamental moral topic for me, and economics because so much of the country's success depends on it. I'm flexible/liberal on most other topics, but the two I've cited - especially economics - are far too critical to leave to the utopic minds of people like Obama.

And I'm not alone since McCain/Palin are up in the polls. Sure, the election is far from over, but America doesn't have the opposition to Palin that the liberals are trying to manufacture.

[edit]

And I maintain that Genx87's comment was pretty darn party neutral. I've got no problem saying the same to McCain/Palin supporters questioning Obama's experience. It's a dead freaking horse.

Which economics is that? I want details, not bullsh!t.

Because all I see from McCain's economic plans is that he is going to continue Bush's economic plans. And that's a hell of a lot more than just the subprime bubble.

edit:

I responded by saying Bush is hardly responsible for the situation we're in (with the exception of our debt).

You can't be serious.

As he hasn't responded to anything I said in my post prior to the economics discussion, and he hasn't responded to you; I don't think he's actually going to try to defend the indefensible.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: jbourne77
Becaused there IS nothing that happened. The story is non-existent. There's no cream filling. You need a target before you start discussing accuracy, don't you think?

You're wrong that 'nothing happened'. Palin did ask the librarian about her willingness to ban the books at Palin's request, a fact itself and implying intenit.

It's reportedly a fact that Palin tried to get rid of the librarian who woul not carry out her censoring desires.

The librarian not going along with her request, the community defenfint the librarian to stop Palin, don't remove the facts.

Yawn

NYA NYA I CAN'T HEAR YOU because it's too dark in here.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: senseamp
Alaska is a government welfare petro-state. Running it does not qualify Palin to run this country in a very possible scenario of Grandpa McCain dying or going senile.

This whole qualification debate is growing stale. BHO lacks any kind of executive experience. Get over it.

He has the mental capacity to lead, Palin does not. Nor does she have the ethical capacity, seeing how she's still lying about the bridge to nowhere

But Obama does have the ethical capacity??

The same Obama when went to the same Church for 20 years but never heard the Preacher say anything questionable??

I am sure you also believed Bill when he denied having an affair with Gennifer Flowers :roll:

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: senseamp
Alaska is a government welfare petro-state. Running it does not qualify Palin to run this country in a very possible scenario of Grandpa McCain dying or going senile.

This whole qualification debate is growing stale. BHO lacks any kind of executive experience. Get over it.

If Obama lacks any of this so-called executive experience, then McCain does as well. Would you then argue that McCain is equally unqualified? Of course not, as being qualified is something that goes well beyond experience, otherwise we wouldn't even bother with elections and would just set up some kind of system where the most experienced person is the one who gets the job. And FYI: Obama is running against McCain, not Palin.

You forget the 22 years McCain spent in the Navy as an officer. Including 9 years AFTER his release from Vietnam. During that time he commanded the Navy's largest air squad.

That alone is more executive experience than Obama and Biden combined.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
It always amazes me when the Contards throw out a strawman and debunk it - and people waste their time arguing with them about it.

Sarah Palin is a religious twit who runs a state that is 50 years behind times. John McSame is a flip-flopping pandering prickly tool who sold his soul to the devil because of his political aspirations.

Only in America ... (shaking head in disgust)

Don't waste your breath (or keyboard), they've already made up their minds.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: senseamp
Alaska is a government welfare petro-state. Running it does not qualify Palin to run this country in a very possible scenario of Grandpa McCain dying or going senile.

This whole qualification debate is growing stale. BHO lacks any kind of executive experience. Get over it.

If Obama lacks any of this so-called executive experience, then McCain does as well. Would you then argue that McCain is equally unqualified? Of course not, as being qualified is something that goes well beyond experience, otherwise we wouldn't even bother with elections and would just set up some kind of system where the most experienced person is the one who gets the job. And FYI: Obama is running against McCain, not Palin.

You forget the 22 years McCain spent in the Navy as an officer. Including 9 years AFTER his release from Vietnam. During that time he commanded the Navy's largest air squad.

That alone is more executive experience than Obama and Biden combined.

Since when is that 'executive experience' in the political arena? I've worked as a manager in private business, should I run for President now? As Obama himself noted, he currently heads a thus far successful Presidential campaign with 2500 employees. That's nearly a major corporation. If being a naval officer (and McCain retired from the Navy at the rank of captain or O-6) counts as 'executive experience,' then why does the single biggest factor generally determined as the most important qualification for President, the ability to mount a successful campaign, not count according to you?

 

[ProfJohn]

You guys, Craig, pushing the book banning think need to use your brains for a change.

The librarian who refused to 'ban' books left the library in 1999 two months before Palin won her second term as mayor.

If Palin was so hell bent on banning books why didn't she use the resignation of the librarian as a chance put in a like minded person??

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
You guys, Craig, pushing the book banning think need to use your brains for a change.

The librarian who refused to 'ban' books left the library in 1999 two months before Palin won her second term as mayor.

If Palin was so hell bent on banning books why didn't she use the resignation of the librarian as a chance put in a like minded person??

Because mayors aren't dictators?

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
You guys, Craig, pushing the book banning think need to use your brains for a change.

The librarian who refused to 'ban' books left the library in 1999 two months before Palin won her second term as mayor.

If Palin was so hell bent on banning books why didn't she use the resignation of the librarian as a chance put in a like minded person??

so - you are advocating cronyism?

figures.

 

[ProfJohn]

Vic... in the navy a captain is an O-6.

That is the same as a Colonel in the Army.

I can't believe you don't know something so simple