Debunking Canadian Health Care Myths

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TruePaige

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Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: TruePaige
Originally posted by: SammyJr
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Has anybody done a generic for or against a US public healthcare system and broken it down by demographic? If so I'd love to see it because my guess is that it would go something like this:

Highschool students: For
College students: For
New College grads (because their job still sucks): For
Poor deadbeats: For
Typical middle-class: on the fence
Upper class: against

I'll add:

Anyone who has had to deal with COBRA: for
Anyone who has a preexisting condition: for
Anyone who has ever been laid off for longer than a few months: for
Anyone self employed over the age of 50: for

I'll also add this one.

Anyone who switched ambulances between hospital networks: for

(Both were throwing bills and the insurance company kicked it back because the paperwork was inconsistent between the two)

It can be summarized as

Anybody who has good health care: against
Anybody who doesn't have good health care: for

You know what I've never seen covered well under any group plan?

Vision.

I have never had the costs of my glasses/contacts covered.
 

SammyJr

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Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: TruePaige
Originally posted by: SammyJr
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Has anybody done a generic for or against a US public healthcare system and broken it down by demographic? If so I'd love to see it because my guess is that it would go something like this:

Highschool students: For
College students: For
New College grads (because their job still sucks): For
Poor deadbeats: For
Typical middle-class: on the fence
Upper class: against

I'll add:

Anyone who has had to deal with COBRA: for
Anyone who has a preexisting condition: for
Anyone who has ever been laid off for longer than a few months: for
Anyone self employed over the age of 50: for

I'll also add this one.

Anyone who switched ambulances between hospital networks: for

(Both were throwing bills and the insurance company kicked it back because the paperwork was inconsistent between the two)

It can be summarized as

Anybody who has good health care: against
Anybody who doesn't have good health care: for

More accurately:

Anybody who has good health care and operates under the delusion that they could never lose it: against
Anybody who lives in the real world: for
 

silverpig

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Originally posted by: Firebot
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
This late in the thread nobody will care but I will describe my own first-hand observations about the Canadian healthcare system...

Some years ago (1990 to be exact... maybe things have improved but I'm guessing they haven't) a friend of mine had an accident while in Yellowknife, NWT.

She was dancing... sat down and dislocated her kneecap...

Ouch

Ambulance came and took her away... she got to the hospital at 12:15am... The Dr. on duty got off at midnight. The nurses called him but he was OFF... and he told them as much. Told them to give her Tylonol. Yay! Government employee!

The next Dr wasn't scheduled in until 6am. And when the nurses called, he told them that he was off until 6am. (Surprised he even answered the call)

So my friend sat there with a dislocated kneecap with nothing but Tylonol for the pain until the next Dr showed up for his 'shift' at 6am.

In a microcosm, this is my experience with socialized health care. I didn't like it then, I don't like it now.

In the end... when she left third world health care of Canada and made it back to the US (Alaska - the biggest joke in US health care) it was clear that her initial problem would have been taken care of quickly... the delay she experienced in Canuckistan caused her to suffer three additional surgeries that wouldn't have been needed had she just been treated when she showed up at the medical center.

So pardon me if I've seen those Canadian health care 'myths' up close and personal. They're not myths... they are real. The Canuckistan health care system sucks.

I'd rather worry about how to pay the bill than wait for something that I needed NOW.

And Canadians live in igloos too!

LOL using Yellowknife as an example of why Canadian healthcare sucks. Her life was not in danger with a dislocated kneecap, in the middle of night, in the middle of the arctic tundra in a city with the population under 20000 and is the biggest city around in an area of over 440000 square miles. Worst is you are comparing it to Alaska, which has a population of 680000 people. Do you even realize how small Yellowknife and 20,000 people is? Even Maui which you used to show how great even the worst of US healthcare can be has 120000 population within a radius twice as small as the town of Yellowknife.

If this is the best you have to use as an example, I'm sure there's plenty that can be used for why the American healthcare system is a disaster with similar extremes.

Yellowknife HAHAHAHA

I heard of this guy who went camping in Yellowstone. Got mauled by a bear. Not a fucking doctor in sight.

:D
 

TruePaige

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Oct 22, 2006
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Originally posted by: silverpig
Originally posted by: Firebot
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
This late in the thread nobody will care but I will describe my own first-hand observations about the Canadian healthcare system...

Some years ago (1990 to be exact... maybe things have improved but I'm guessing they haven't) a friend of mine had an accident while in Yellowknife, NWT.

She was dancing... sat down and dislocated her kneecap...

Ouch

Ambulance came and took her away... she got to the hospital at 12:15am... The Dr. on duty got off at midnight. The nurses called him but he was OFF... and he told them as much. Told them to give her Tylonol. Yay! Government employee!

The next Dr wasn't scheduled in until 6am. And when the nurses called, he told them that he was off until 6am. (Surprised he even answered the call)

So my friend sat there with a dislocated kneecap with nothing but Tylonol for the pain until the next Dr showed up for his 'shift' at 6am.

In a microcosm, this is my experience with socialized health care. I didn't like it then, I don't like it now.

In the end... when she left third world health care of Canada and made it back to the US (Alaska - the biggest joke in US health care) it was clear that her initial problem would have been taken care of quickly... the delay she experienced in Canuckistan caused her to suffer three additional surgeries that wouldn't have been needed had she just been treated when she showed up at the medical center.

So pardon me if I've seen those Canadian health care 'myths' up close and personal. They're not myths... they are real. The Canuckistan health care system sucks.

I'd rather worry about how to pay the bill than wait for something that I needed NOW.

And Canadians live in igloos too!

LOL using Yellowknife as an example of why Canadian healthcare sucks. Her life was not in danger with a dislocated kneecap, in the middle of night, in the middle of the arctic tundra in a city with the population under 20000 and is the biggest city around in an area of over 440000 square miles. Worst is you are comparing it to Alaska, which has a population of 680000 people. Do you even realize how small Yellowknife and 20,000 people is? Even Maui which you used to show how great even the worst of US healthcare can be has 120000 population within a radius twice as small as the town of Yellowknife.

If this is the best you have to use as an example, I'm sure there's plenty that can be used for why the American healthcare system is a disaster with similar extremes.

Yellowknife HAHAHAHA

I heard of this guy who went camping in Yellowstone. Got mauled by a bear. Not a fucking doctor in sight.

:D

Yogi is a dick....
 

Strk

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Nov 23, 2003
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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
This late in the thread nobody will care but I will describe my own first-hand observations about the Canadian healthcare system...

Some years ago (1990 to be exact... maybe things have improved but I'm guessing they haven't) a friend of mine had an accident while in Yellowknife, NWT.

She was dancing... sat down and dislocated her kneecap...

Ouch

Ambulance came and took her away... she got to the hospital at 12:15am... The Dr. on duty got off at midnight. The nurses called him but he was OFF... and he told them as much. Told them to give her Tylonol. Yay! Government employee!

The next Dr wasn't scheduled in until 6am. And when the nurses called, he told them that he was off until 6am. (Surprised he even answered the call)

So my friend sat there with a dislocated kneecap with nothing but Tylonol for the pain until the next Dr showed up for his 'shift' at 6am.

In a microcosm, this is my experience with socialized health care. I didn't like it then, I don't like it now.

In the end... when she left third world health care of Canada and made it back to the US (Alaska - the biggest joke in US health care) it was clear that her initial problem would have been taken care of quickly... the delay she experienced in Canuckistan caused her to suffer three additional surgeries that wouldn't have been needed had she just been treated when she showed up at the medical center.

So pardon me if I've seen those Canadian health care 'myths' up close and personal. They're not myths... they are real. The Canuckistan health care system sucks.

I'd rather worry about how to pay the bill than wait for something that I needed NOW.

And I broke my jaw into four pieces in MA. I went to the hospital at 6pm. It was 11pm by the time I was taken in (and yes, you could see the bone loose inside my mouth). I was given Tylenol, sent home and told to come back at 8am when the maxillofacial surgeon was in and that I was given "priority."
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: TruePaige
Originally posted by: SammyJr
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Has anybody done a generic for or against a US public healthcare system and broken it down by demographic? If so I'd love to see it because my guess is that it would go something like this:

Highschool students: For
College students: For
New College grads (because their job still sucks): For
Poor deadbeats: For
Typical middle-class: on the fence
Upper class: against

I'll add:

Anyone who has had to deal with COBRA: for
Anyone who has a preexisting condition: for
Anyone who has ever been laid off for longer than a few months: for
Anyone self employed over the age of 50: for

I'll also add this one.

Anyone who switched ambulances between hospital networks: for

(Both were throwing bills and the insurance company kicked it back because the paperwork was inconsistent between the two)

It can be summarized as

Anybody who has good health care: against
Anybody who doesn't have good health care: for

weird... something like 60-70% of the population wants public healthcare... that's a lot of people with bad healthcare.
 

0marTheZealot

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The two measures by which healthcare is measured is the following : Quality of life and per capita spending.

Quality of life: The US has one of the lowest, if not the lowest, quality of life ratings in the developed world.

Per capita spending: The US spends more government money on healthcare than any other developed nation in the world. That doesn't include private money that goes into the system.

Clearly the system is broken. Anyone that argues against that is either blind, or stupid, or worse, both. The American system simply does not work. Any industralized country has a system that is better than America's. All of Western Europe spends less on healthcare, lives healthier lives and covers everyone. To say that our system doesn't need help is asinine.

It appears that people are afraid of change, whether or not that change is good. They are finding things to latch onto to be against government healthcare in any way. Care rationing is a smart thing. Why spend 50,000 on a treatment when it isn't noticably better than the 5,000 dollar treatment? It just doesn't make sense. It's like buying a gold toliet, in the end, you just need it to hold your shit in and flush it to the sewer systems. Are there times the 50,000 dollar treatment is justified? I'm sure there is and it should remain an option. However, the point of care rationing is that you look at what statistically performs better and if the 5,000 dollar treatment is just as good as the 50,000 treatment most of the time, then there's no need for that course of treatment. In America, more often than not, we are thrust into the most expensive option first because that's what makes everyone money.

The status quo just hasn't worked, it never has. It's time to accept change. We can debate on what kind of change is going to happen, but I haven't seen any Republican plan at all. And that is simply unacceptable. Employer-based coverage is killing employers. It's killing Americans. It just flat out sucks.
 

Double Trouble

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Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: Phokus
weird... something like 60-70% of the population wants public healthcare... that's a lot of people with bad healthcare.

Complete BS of course. It all depends on what question is asked and what the proposed solution is. If you ask someone "do you think everyone should be able to get affordable health insurance", of course you're going to get one answer. If you ask "do you wand a big giant government-run bureaucratic mess of a system to ration your medical care and handle your health?", of course the answer is going to be "no".

The reality is that most people favor some sort of overhaul, and most people want to see everyone be able to get basic health care. Beyond that, it's all about the implementation of whatever plan you come up with, and how it would impact most people.