Debit card can become a high-tech piggy bank

dquan97

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Bank of America wants to be your piggy bank, announcing Wednesday that debit card users will soon be able to toss the small change from their purchases straight into their savings account.

Launching Oct. 17 in California, the Keep the Change program will allow customers to put away a few cents at a time. After each debit transaction, the purchase price will be rounded up to the nearest whole dollar, and the difference automatically transferred to a savings account.

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Let's say you purchase a gourmet cup of coffee for $2.89. The purchase would automatically be rounded up to $3, and 11 cents would be routed to your savings account.

Americans on the whole find it easier to spend than to squirrel away their money. Personal savings - as a percentage of disposable personal income - sat in negative territory for the third straight month in August after hitting a low of minus 1.1 percent in July, according to the U.S. Commerce Department.

That means Americans are spending all their after-tax income and dipping into savings to finance their shortfall.

"Americans are notorious nonsavers," said Sharon Morrison, a certified financial planner with the Savant Group in Citrus Heights. "We're consumers, which is good for the economy, but not good for the future. It's a precarious situation."

The BofA program comes with an incentive: The bank will match 100 percent of transfers for the first three months, and afterward, the bank will contribute up to 5 percent annually. The maximum match is $250 a year.

It's like tossing your pocket change into a jar every night, with Mom and Dad rewarding you.

"The whole idea came from speaking with customers," said Tara Burke, spokeswoman for Bank of America, on Wednesday. "People said they had a need for an effective way to save money."

Of course, BofA will get to loan out the money you're saving and make money doing it. But customers will benefit as well, since they will get the match and any interest the account draws.

The BofA idea, which comes as consumers are more often than not using plastic for purchases, received mixed reviews from consumers surveyed informally by The Bee. Carole Detherage, of Sacramento, said she liked the incentive program because Americans don't save enough.

"Everybody's trying very hard, but they can't because they're trying to live middle-class lives without having the money to do so, and they are borrowing a lot," she said.

Sacramento resident Tony Leonard, who said he feared he would lose track of his expenses, expressed doubt that the plan would motivate consumers.

"You can't force people to save," he said. "I already have an automatic deposit into my savings account, and this just sounds too confusing."

Linda Sherry, a spokeswoman for Consumer Action, a consumer advocacy group in San Francisco, feared consumers might be tempted to use the debit cards too often and end up overdrawn on their accounts.

Consumers also could rack up fees with merchants such as McDonald's or Arco, which charge them for using their debit cards.

If consumers do not have funds available, Bank of America spokeswoman Diane Wagoner said, the change would not be transferred. If the consumer has overdraft protection for the debit purchase, however, the change transfer would go through and customers would see the fees on their next bank statement.

While the saving will happen automatically, financial experts and consumer experts said, it still will require some discipline on the consumer's part. Besides ensuring that their accounts balance, consumers must also have the willpower to let the money sit and realize the benefit of compounding.

FW link to discussion
http://www.sacbee.com/content/business/story/13674246p-14516875c.html
 
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Me like. Very good idea. As much as I use my debit card (I rarely carry cash), I could see this saving a couple of hundred dollars a year, which is pretty damn decent.
 

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Originally posted by: blurredvision
Me like. Very good idea. As much as I use my debit card (I rarely carry cash), I could see this saving a couple of hundred dollars a year, which is pretty damn decent.

Same here :)
 

dabuddha

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What's the benefit of this really? If they don't round it up, the money stays in my account. How am I not saving it? Plus the fact that they probably give a crappy interest rate like .5% or less.
 

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not that big of a deal.. now that i got my emigrant account, with 4% interest.. i'll just transfer most of my checking in there and let it sit
 

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debit cards are retarded.

credit cards build your credit history and give you better incentives. (they can also drive you into debt if you are a retard)
 
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Originally posted by: AlucardX
not that big of a deal.. now that i got my emigrant account, with 4% interest.. i'll just transfer most of my checking in there and let it sit
This "plan" isn't for people like you, that's why it's not that big of a deal. For people like me, who have trouble saving money, it is a big deal. Let's say, on average, that I use my debit card 8 times a week. And let's say the average money saved back per transaction is $.50. That's $4 a week saved back, which translates into $208 a year. That's not counting the little bit of interest and what they'll match for the first 3 months.

:thumbsup:

EDIT: Forgot to point out that the $208 you saved is $208 that you otherwise wouldn't have had. I think some of you here just don't realize how hard it is for some to save money. However, automatically saving back change that normally gets thrown in a cup holder or in a jar? That's easy.
 

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Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
Originally posted by: blurredvision
Me like. Very good idea. As much as I use my debit card (I rarely carry cash), I could see this saving a couple of hundred dollars a year, which is pretty damn decent.

Same here :)

Use a credit card with rewards. I earned like $250 in my first year with my Citi Dividend Platinum Select, and it wasn't my money (well technically it was, but it was money I actually spent, not money that I didn't spend that they just transferred into a different account :))
 

dquan97

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Originally posted by: blurredvision
Originally posted by: AlucardX
not that big of a deal.. now that i got my emigrant account, with 4% interest.. i'll just transfer most of my checking in there and let it sit
This "plan" isn't for people like you, that's why it's not that big of a deal. For people like me, who have trouble saving money, it is a big deal. Let's say, on average, that I use my debit card 8 times a week. And let's say the average money saved back per transaction is $.50. That's $4 a week saved back, which translates into $208 a year. That's not counting the little bit of interest and what they'll match for the first 3 months.

:thumbsup:

EDIT: Forgot to point out that the $208 you saved is $208 that you otherwise wouldn't have had. I think some of you here just don't realize how hard it is for some to save money. However, automatically saving back change that normally gets thrown in a cup holder or in a jar? That's easy.

I believe that the $208 that you would then have in your savings account came out of your regular account. From my understanding, if the transaction was $1.51, BofA takes $2 out of your regular account and credits $.49 to your savings account (plus any matching).
 

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Originally posted by: dquan97

I believe that the $208 that you would then have in your savings account came out of your regular account. From my understanding, if the transaction was $1.51, BofA takes $2 out of your regular account and credits $.49 to your savings account (plus any matching).

The reason it will help people save money is that people's spending habits are based on how much money they "have." If you take it away little by little, they won't notice it as it's leaving, but they'll spend based on what they see in their checking account. Same as with cash. If a guy has $250 cash in his pocket, he sees that as $250 cash even if he has $50 in quarters in his couch.

The matching is nice, but I guarantee there will be people who abuse it - spending $.10 at a time on their debit card to get the $.90 match.
 

dquan97

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: dquan97

I believe that the $208 that you would then have in your savings account came out of your regular account. From my understanding, if the transaction was $1.51, BofA takes $2 out of your regular account and credits $.49 to your savings account (plus any matching).

The reason it will help people save money is that people's spending habits are based on how much money they "have." If you take it away little by little, they won't notice it as it's leaving, but they'll spend based on what they see in their checking account. Same as with cash. If a guy has $250 cash in his pocket, he sees that as $250 cash even if he has $50 in quarters in his couch.

The matching is nice, but I guarantee there will be people who abuse it - spending $.10 at a time on their debit card to get the $.90 match.

I don't doubt it, but they only have 3months to work with and $250 cap
 

Liviathan

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It sounds pretty interesting. I don't use change now. All my coin goes into a little can.
 

DaShen

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I think it is a good idea, of course a savings account takes a certain amount of money to actually add interests to your personal account, so in essense BofA is banking off your money without you making a profit, but I guess you still save up some money, and if you have 10G + in the account already, good to go! :thumbsup:
 

Gibson486

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$.11 would be deposited, but $1.50 would be withdrawn for using your pin number.....hmmmmm
 

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I actually think this is a great idea...not because I don't already save money...but because it is extra unexpected saved money that you really just don't realize is being sent over. My "spending" budget is transparently curtailed.
 

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Originally posted by: Gibson486
$.11 would be deposited, but $1.50 would be withdrawn for using your pin number.....hmmmmm

Does BofA charge $1.50 for using it as a debit card? My wife used to use hers for everything, I don't think she would have done that if she was being charged $1.50 each time.
 

dabuddha

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Originally posted by: blurredvision
Originally posted by: AlucardX
not that big of a deal.. now that i got my emigrant account, with 4% interest.. i'll just transfer most of my checking in there and let it sit
This "plan" isn't for people like you, that's why it's not that big of a deal. For people like me, who have trouble saving money, it is a big deal. Let's say, on average, that I use my debit card 8 times a week. And let's say the average money saved back per transaction is $.50. That's $4 a week saved back, which translates into $208 a year. That's not counting the little bit of interest and what they'll match for the first 3 months.

:thumbsup:

EDIT: Forgot to point out that the $208 you saved is $208 that you otherwise wouldn't have had. I think some of you here just don't realize how hard it is for some to save money. However, automatically saving back change that normally gets thrown in a cup holder or in a jar? That's easy.

How is that $4 a week you saved? If you didn't have this program, you wouldn't have taken the $4 out to begin with if you're using your debit card. Debit card's are not literally cash. When you charge something to your debit card, it takes out the exact amount.
 

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Gibson486
$.11 would be deposited, but $1.50 would be withdrawn for using your pin number.....hmmmmm

Does BofA charge $1.50 for using it as a debit card? My wife used to use hers for everything, I don't think she would have done that if she was being charged $1.50 each time.

No they don't charge fees for using your debit card unless you use it in an out of network ATM.
 

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I wouldn't like this because that's one of the main reasons I PREFER using a debit card over cash - with cash, it "feels" like everything gets rounded up to the next dollar because the change just goes in a jar that I don't see again for a very long time. With debit, I'm losing exactly what I'm spending, so it's less of a big deal to buy something that's say $2.10. With cash, I wouldn't want it because it'd feel like I was spending $3.
 
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Originally posted by: dquan97
Originally posted by: blurredvision
Originally posted by: AlucardX
not that big of a deal.. now that i got my emigrant account, with 4% interest.. i'll just transfer most of my checking in there and let it sit
This "plan" isn't for people like you, that's why it's not that big of a deal. For people like me, who have trouble saving money, it is a big deal. Let's say, on average, that I use my debit card 8 times a week. And let's say the average money saved back per transaction is $.50. That's $4 a week saved back, which translates into $208 a year. That's not counting the little bit of interest and what they'll match for the first 3 months.

:thumbsup:

EDIT: Forgot to point out that the $208 you saved is $208 that you otherwise wouldn't have had. I think some of you here just don't realize how hard it is for some to save money. However, automatically saving back change that normally gets thrown in a cup holder or in a jar? That's easy.

I believe that the $208 that you would then have in your savings account came out of your regular account. From my understanding, if the transaction was $1.51, BofA takes $2 out of your regular account and credits $.49 to your savings account (plus any matching).
You didn't understand what I'm saying. I know exactly what's happening with this, I'm just saying that the $208 is now being automatically saved, when otherwise people who do not have good saving habits would not have saved $208 by themselves.
 
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Originally posted by: dabuddha
Originally posted by: blurredvision
Originally posted by: AlucardX
not that big of a deal.. now that i got my emigrant account, with 4% interest.. i'll just transfer most of my checking in there and let it sit
This "plan" isn't for people like you, that's why it's not that big of a deal. For people like me, who have trouble saving money, it is a big deal. Let's say, on average, that I use my debit card 8 times a week. And let's say the average money saved back per transaction is $.50. That's $4 a week saved back, which translates into $208 a year. That's not counting the little bit of interest and what they'll match for the first 3 months.

:thumbsup:

EDIT: Forgot to point out that the $208 you saved is $208 that you otherwise wouldn't have had. I think some of you here just don't realize how hard it is for some to save money. However, automatically saving back change that normally gets thrown in a cup holder or in a jar? That's easy.

How is that $4 a week you saved? If you didn't have this program, you wouldn't have taken the $4 out to begin with if you're using your debit card. Debit card's are not literally cash. When you charge something to your debit card, it takes out the exact amount.
What? Debit card's are literally cash. Re-read what I typed, I stated everything correctly. I'm not sure what your reply is in reference to.
 

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: dquan97

I believe that the $208 that you would then have in your savings account came out of your regular account. From my understanding, if the transaction was $1.51, BofA takes $2 out of your regular account and credits $.49 to your savings account (plus any matching).

The reason it will help people save money is that people's spending habits are based on how much money they "have." If you take it away little by little, they won't notice it as it's leaving, but they'll spend based on what they see in their checking account. Same as with cash. If a guy has $250 cash in his pocket, he sees that as $250 cash even if he has $50 in quarters in his couch.

The matching is nice, but I guarantee there will be people who abuse it - spending $.10 at a time on their debit card to get the $.90 match.

There's got to be a limit of how much you can get matched like...i dunno $1000 max/month during the matching period. Of course there wouldn't be any limit to how much you could save, but the matching part would be limited. That would be one way to stop people abusing the system.

edit: whoops, it did say there is a cap.