Debbie Schlussel: Declassified FBI memo reveals OKC Bombing done by muslims

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http://www.debbieschlussel.com/3537...bc-news-knew-ok-city-bombing-done-by-muslims/

I don't agree with her complaints against Muslims, but this is pretty interesting.

People had been speculating for a long time that Muslims were involved, but now it's finally confirmed. I never believed the "official story" anyway. Whenever I see "breaking news" on MSMTV I ask myself "why did the government do this?"

Anyone think they may have been employed by the Federal Government? Or did they do it independently? Doesn't this prove that Federal intelligence had advance knowledge of 9/11?
 
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jonks

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From the article:

(The Iraqi connection, of course, never materialized.)

So after the bombing, a Saudi told someone at ABC that Iraq was involved. No evidence ever came to light supporting this. Thus, Debbie concludes, it was clearly Iraq. Par for her.

Complete lack of evidence aside (don't let that stop you), McVeigh associated with skinheads. I don't see him coordinating with brown people.
 
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Anyone think they may have been employed by the Federal Government? Or did they do it independently? Doesn't this prove that Federal intelligence had advance knowledge of 9/11?

I don't.

In the context of the 08/08/01 PDB, yes the POTUS and various federal agencies were aware that an attack might be coming but we've known that for a long time.
 

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It's all a Jewish conspiracy to take over the world.

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CrackRabbit

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This is below even your usual level of drivel.

I think you need a quick lesson in; "Don't believe everything you read, even on the internet."
 

Texashiker

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I guess Timothy McVeigh telling what happened was just a farce?

If there was a Muslim link, it would have come out in 1995 or 1996, not 16 years later.
 

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1) At least 2 bombs were found and disarmed inside the federal building. the governor also confirmed this on live television, then later denied he ever stated so. :biggrin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMrYeMTXifc

2) your government continues to withhold multiple surveillance tapes identifying other suspects emerging from the ryder truck with mcveigh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5v8v4P1-Qc



RIP dead americans, your government rolled you hard!
 

Fern

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I remember the OK bombings. They was some pretty fishy stuff. I have doubts we know the whole story.

I have not heard (that I recall) that McViegh associated with skinheads. However, I have heard of his sympathy to Arab/Muslims that developed while he was in GW I.

Fern
 

jonks

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I remember the OK bombings. They was some pretty fishy stuff. I have doubts we know the whole story.

You really love a good conspiracy theory don't you fern. There's no such thing as a whole story. You suppose, if there was even a hint of a scrap of a turd of evidence of Iraqi involvement in the bombing, that GWB wouldn't have used to further justify his invasion? Sheesh. Well have at it, I'm not doing it again. Come up with some evidence to offer other than vague doubts or a sixth sense or some tenuous seeming inconsistency with 1000 more rational explanations than The Feds Are In On It!

Such sentiments from a normally sane person like yourself is the squishy mud the nuts love to roll around in to spread their filth. And if you think it's harmless, remember how many people think Obama was born in Kenya. Don't enable the fringe or next year 25% of those polled will "know" that Saddam bombed the Federal Building in OK all those years ago.
 

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I thought McVeigh said that he did this in retaliation for Ruby Ridge and Waco... Which the same government employed sniper caused both incidents. McVeigh said he used to pass out "cards" at gun shows with the name/address of the sniper in hopes a patriot would come forth and end it.

When none did, he blew up OKC... Doesn't make much sense, it seemed he had a beef with the sniper directly. Maybe he was framed by the government for doing it since he was a threat, maybe he did it... Who knows for sure.
 
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I think they need to investigate for the presence of nano-thermite at the Murrah Building!
 

Fern

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From McVeigh on his motives and justification for the bombing:

An Essay on Hypocrisy
By Timothy McVeigh

The administration has said that Iraq has no right to stockpile chemical or biological weapons ("weapons of mass destruction") -- mainly because they have used them in the past.

Well, if that"s the standard by which these matters are decided, then the U.S. is the nation that set the precedent. The U.S. has stockpiled these same weapons (and more) for over 40 years. The U.S. claims that this was done for deterrent purposes during the "Cold War" with the Soviet Union. Why, then is it invalid for Iraq to claim the same reason (deterrence) -- with respect to Iraq"s (real) war with, and the continued threat of, its neighbor Iran?

The administration claims that Iraq has used these weapons in the past. We"ve all seen the pictures that show a Kurdish woman and child frozen in death from the use of chemical weapons. But, have you ever seen these pictures juxtaposed next to pictures from Hiroshima or Nagasaki?

I suggest that one study the histories of World War I, World War II and other "regional conflicts" that the U.S. has been involved in to familiarize themselves with the use of "weapons of mass destruction."

Remember Dresden? How about Hanoi? Tripoli? Baghdad? What about the big ones -- Hiroshima and Nagasaki? (At these two locations, the U.S. killed at least 150,000 non-combatants -- mostly women and children -- in the blink of an eye. Thousands more took hours, days, weeks, or months to die.)

If Saddam is such a demon, and people are calling for war crimes charges and trials against him and his nation, why do we not hear the same cry for blood directed at those responsible for even greater amounts of "mass destruction" -- like those responsible and involved in dropping bombs on the cities mentioned above?

The truth is, the U.S. has set the standard when it comes to the stockpiling and use of weapons of mass destruction.

Hypocrisy when it comes to death of children? In Oklahoma City, it was family convenience that explained the presence of a day-care center placed between street level and the law enforcement agencies which occupied the upper floors of the building. Yet when discussion shifts to Iraq, any day-care center in a government building instantly becomes "a shield." Think about that.

(Actually, there is a difference here. The administration has admitted to knowledge of the presence of children in or near Iraqi government buildings, yet they still proceed with their plans to bomb -- saying that they cannot be held responsible if children die. There is no such proof, however, that knowledge of the presence of children existed in relation to the Oklahoma City bombing.)

When considering morality and mens rea [criminal intent] in light of these facts, I ask: Who are the true barbarians?

Yet another example of this nation"s blatant hypocrisy is revealed by the polls which suggest that this nation is greatly in favor of bombing Iraq.

In this instance, the people of the nation approve of bombing government employees because they are "guilty by association" -- they are Iraqi government employees. In regard to the bombing in Oklahoma City, however, such logic is condemned.

What motivates these seemingly contradictory positions? Do people think that government workers in Iraq are any less human than those in Oklahoma City? Do they think that Iraqis don"t have families who will grieve and mourn the loss of their loved ones? In this context, do people come to believe that the killing of foreigners is somehow different than the killing of Americans?

I recently read of an arrest in New York City where possession of a mere pipe bomb was charged as possession of a "weapon of mass destruction." If a two pound pipe bomb is a "weapon of mass destruction," then what do people think that a 2,000-pound steel-encased bomb is?

I find it ironic, to say the least, that one of the aircraft that could be used to drop such a bomb on Iraq is dubbed "The Spirit of Oklahoma."

When a U.S. plane or cruise missile is used to bring destruction to a foreign people, this nation rewards the bombers with applause and praise. What a convenient way to absolve these killers of any responsibility for the destruction they leave in their wake.

Unfortunately, the morality of killing is not so superficial. The truth is, the use of a truck, a plane, or a missile for the delivery of a weapon of mass destruction does not alter the nature of the act itself.

These are weapons of mass destruction -- and the method of delivery matters little to those on the receiving end of such weapons.

Whether you wish to admit it or not, when you approve, morally, of the bombing of foreign targets by the U.S. military, you are approving of acts morally equivalent to the bombing in Oklahoma City. The only difference is that this nation is not going to see any foreign casualties appear on the cover of Newsweek magazine.

It seems ironic and hypocritical that an act viciously condemned in Oklahoma City is now a "justified" response to a problem in a foreign land. Then again, the history of United States policy over the last century, when examined fully, tends to exemplify hypocrisy.

When considering the use of weapons of mass destruction against Iraq as a means to an end, it would be wise to reflect on the words of the late U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis. His words are as true in the context of Olmstead as they are when they stand alone: "Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example."

Sincerely

Timothy J. McVeigh

He also referred people to Ramzi Ahmed Yousef's statement during his terrorism trial:


Ramzi Ahmed Yousef

You keep talking also about collective punishment and killing innocent people to force governments to change their policies; you call this terrorism when someone would kill innocent people or civilians in order to force the government to change its policies. Well, when you were the first one who invented this terrorism.

You were the first one who killed innocent people, and you are the first one who introduced this type of terrorism to the history of mankind when you dropped an atomic bomb which killed tens of thousands of women and children in Japan and when you killed over a hundred thousand people, most of them civilians, in Tokyo with fire bombings. You killed them by burning them to death. And you killed civilians in Vietnam with chemicals as with the so-called Orange agent. You killed civilians and innocent people, not soldiers, innocent people every single war you went. You went to wars more than any other country in this century, and then you have the nerve to talk about killing innocent people.

And now you have invented new ways to kill innocent people. You have so-called economic embargo which kills nobody other than children and elderly people, and which other than Iraq you have been placing the economic embargo on Cuba and other countries for over 35 years. . . .

The Government in its summations and opening statement said that I was a terrorist. Yes, I am a terrorist and I am proud of it. And I support terrorism so long as it was against the United States Government and against Israel, because you are more than terrorists; you are the one who invented terrorism and using it every day. You are butchers, liars and hypocrites.


I have trouble 'distilling' his few remarks about his motive/justification for the bombing other than a hatred for the US government. He went to war with the US gov.

Fern
 

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I remember the OK bombings. They was some pretty fishy stuff. I have doubts we know the whole story.

I have not heard (that I recall) that McViegh associated with skinheads. However, I have heard of his sympathy to Arab/Muslims that developed while he was in GW I.

Fern

Wasn't McVeigh part of or associated with some nutbag militia? Not exactly a popular group with Islamic terrorists, I would imagine.

Personally I have a hard time with the conspiracy mantra of "we don't know the whole story". If even a whiff of uncertainty about the official story is enough to support believing some alternate "theory" without so much as a shred of evidence, why does that logic never work the other way around? In other words, why is the standard of proof for the wacky conspiracy theory never as high as the standard of proof demanded of the official story?
 

Fern

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Wasn't McVeigh part of or associated with some nutbag militia? Not exactly a popular group with Islamic terrorists, I would imagine.

Personally I have a hard time with the conspiracy mantra of "we don't know the whole story". If even a whiff of uncertainty about the official story is enough to support believing some alternate "theory" without so much as a shred of evidence, why does that logic never work the other way around? In other words, why is the standard of proof for the wacky conspiracy theory never as high as the standard of proof demanded of the official story?

You posted before you could read the info I posted about his motive.

I think the author of the OP's article, and the journalist referred therein are basically asking "if McVeigh went to war with the US gov, who went with him"?

To claim that we may not know the whole story is not the same as claiming there is a conspiracy. To suggest otherwise, as some here do, is absurd.
Is the below from the article refutable or disproven?

including the presence of McVeigh associate and Iraqi agent Hussain Al-Hussaini, whom the FBI confirmed was seen with McVeigh throughout the planning of the attack,...

If not, there are reasonable questions to asked and answered.

Edit: About your militia question. My impression is no. He seemed more 'lone wolf' and wanderer. No militia group was 'waco'd' after his bombing. If he had been in a militia I believe they would've been targeted by the gov.

Fern
 
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Matt1970

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This is all Anarchist420 could come up with on short notice. He has been reduced to hiding behing the dumpsters at McDonalds for free WiFi.
 

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You posted before you could read the info I posted about his motive.

I think the author of the OP's article, and the journalist referred therein are basically asking "if McVeigh went to war with the US gov, who went with him"?

To claim that we may not know the whole story is not the same as claiming there is a conspiracy. To suggest otherwise, as some here do, is absurd.
Is the below from the article refutable or disproven?



If not, there are reasonable questions to asked and answered.

Edit: About your militia question. My impression is no. He seemed more 'lone wolf' and wanderer. No militia group was 'waco'd' after his bombing. If he had been in a militia I believe they would've been targeted by the gov.

Fern

Interesting. I wasn't talking about your post specifically, more about the general conspiracy attitude.

If McVeigh was associated with Iraqi agents, that might be worth tracking down. But the claim in this thread title is ridiculous with the available evidence.
 

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I really, really think that Clinton and company authorized the OKC bombings and did so to frame the militia movement, which Clinton hated and which TJM was no part of. The number of militia groups went down by more than 1/2 shortly after the OKC bombing. One militia member said that Timothy McVeigh really hurt them.

The fact that the FBI knows about these things beforehand and does nothing about them proves that the FBI is worse than worthless. It also indicates that the Government wanted the tragic events of 9/11/2001 to happen and further that the majority of people in this democracy are IDIOTS for supporting their government, trusting it, and telling it to do more of what it does by voting for the same assholes every single election cycle. It really makes it hard for me to trust people.

I applaud Fern for having his facts straight and for not mindlessly and unconditionally buying into the BS that too many other people do:)
 

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If there was a Muslim link, it would have come out in 1995 or 1996, not 16 years later.
I've seen no solid evidence of a Muslim link, but I'd like to know who the accomplices captured in the security camera footage our government refuses to release on "national security" grounds are.

About your militia question. My impression is no.
The information is a bit hard to come by since our media is shamlessly bad about reporting facts which contradict the offical story on matters like this, but here is page at UMKC's law school website which compiles some of the notable evidence tying McVehigh to the white separatist cult at Elohim City.