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Debate in Egyptian circles these days, "how should we kill the homosexuals?"

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...(t)here is a dispute regarding how they should be killed: One opinion is that the penalty for fornication should be applied to homosexuals, as [the act involves] penetration of a bodily orifice prohibited by religious law.

Another opinion is that the perpetrator of the deed, and the one to whom it is done, should be killed; a third opinion is that the homosexual should be burned. A fourth opinion is that he should be thrown from the highest wall, because of the loathsome nature of the deed.



 
From what I've heard about Eastern Med and many Middle Eastern countries is that homosexuality is very common.
 


<< They want us to believe that all Muslims are peaceful and tolerant, and yet they try to do crap like this. 😕 >>


Those peaceful, Christian Americans have Capital Punishment.
 
Remember, Egypt is a Christian country currently over run by Muslims.
Islam must take the credit for turning Egypt around into a backwards country.
 


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<< They want us to believe that all Muslims are peaceful and tolerant, and yet they try to do crap like this. 😕 >>


Those peaceful, Christian Americans have Capital Punishment. >>

Yes but you won't find many people in the US who want to kill gays or stone people to death or whatever else the hell these backwards POS countries do.
 


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<< They want us to believe that all Muslims are peaceful and tolerant, and yet they try to do crap like this. 😕 >>


Those peaceful, Christian Americans have Capital Punishment. >>

Yes but you won't find many people in the US who want to kill gays or stone people to death or whatever else the hell these backwards POS countries do. >>


I'm fairly certain there are quite some Americans who would gladly support the execution of every single homosexual person.
 
Ugh! That is disgusting and terrible... seems to happen a lot in backwards-assed countries.





<< Those peaceful, Christian Americans have Capital Punishment. >>


Not to nitpick, but not all Christians follow this - Catholics are against Capital Punishment. But basically anyone, religious or not, should be able to see that this kind of thing is evil.
 
Any religious fanatic (from the big 3 monotheistic religions) wants all homosexuals dead. Christians just like guns and burning more. (Last sentence tongue in cheek)

EDIT: Spelling
 


<< Ugh! That is disgusting and terrible... seems to happen a lot in backwards-assed countries.





<< Those peaceful, Christian Americans have Capital Punishment. >>


Not to nitpick, but not all Christians follow this - Catholics are against Capital Punishment. But basically anyone, religious or not, should be able to see that this kind of thing is evil. >>


'evil' is relative.

I would consider Capital Punishment to be no less 'evil' than what these people want to do to homosexuals. Hang on a second, what's the difference between the practices in Egypt, Iran etc. to punish criminals and the way criminals are punished in the US?

Capital Punishment remains Capital Punishment. Murder remains murder.
 
Elledan - dude, for once you and I are on the same side of an issue... I'm against Capital Punishment too. You don't need to argue with me on this one! 🙂
 


<< Elledan - dude, for once you and I are on the same side of an issue... I'm against Capital Punishment too. You don't need to argue with me on this one! 🙂 >>


Phew, I was already getting tired of kicking sense into people 😉
 


<< Hang on a second, what's the difference between the practices in Egypt, Iran etc. to punish criminals and the way criminals are punished in the US? >>



Trial by jury, right to legal representation, right to not testify against oneself, prohibition of cruel and unusual punishments, presumption of innocence.... i can probably think of a few dozen more if pressed.
 


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<< Hang on a second, what's the difference between the practices in Egypt, Iran etc. to punish criminals and the way criminals are punished in the US? >>



Trial by jury, right to legal representation, right to not testify against oneself, prohibition of cruel and unusual punishments, presumption of innocence.... i can probably think of a few dozen more if pressed. >>


You either missed the point, or are ignoring it.

BTW, don't you dare mentioning 'objectivity' and 'the US legal system' in the same sentence.

And on a sidenote, regarding this quote:


<< prohibition of cruel and unusual punishments >>


Is murder not cruel enough a punishment?
 


<< Elledan and Optimus,

Are you also opposed to abortion? >>

ROFLMAO!!!

The same old 'argument' surfaces once more...

Abortion is not murder, unlike Capital Punishment, as long as it is applied in a just manner, meaning that it is not used in a case where it is unnecessary.
 


<< I'm fairly certain there are quite some Americans who would gladly support the execution of every single homosexual person. >>



The difference is, we dont. We dont imprison people for being homosexuals. We dont kill them for being gay. There is a big difference between have some people in a country believe a certain thing, and having it as state policy.
 


<< You either missed the point, or are ignoring it. >>



My friend, i think it may be you who is missing the point. This isn't about whether capital punishment is right or wrong, we can debate that as a seperate issue, and i'll be more than happy to do so. I was focusing more on that Egypt is wondering whether burning, stoning, or hurling off a high wall is a more appropriate punishment for the "crime" of being gay. It's declaring homosexuality a capital crime that i think is noteworthy, not that Egypt has legal provisions for the death penalty.
 
1) This is from an Israeli newspaper
2) It isn't a main story; it is a column, somewhat like taking the place for a person?s editorial
3) The people saying this are not the government (You?d know this if you read the link) but are RELIGIOUS clerics, such as priests or minister making these statements, not the government or government officials... this could easily happen is any country?s newspaper, including some in the US.

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Though I'll agree that this kind of thing is "backwards" and even detestable, before blaming it on Islam we should be aware that Christianity and Judaism used to do the same thing. This is not really about religion as much as it is about societal sophistication. Most Christians and Jews wouldn't consider this kind of thing in this day and age, but if some catastrophe happened, such as a return of the Dark Ages, Jews and Christians would probably resort to similar practices. It's all about lifestyle, the harsher the existance, the harsher one's views.
 


<< Though I'll agree that this kind of thing is "backwards" and even detestable, before blaming it on Islam we should be aware that Christianity and Judaism used to do the same thing. This is not really about religion as much as it is about societal sophistication. Most Christians and Jews wouldn't consider this kind of thing in this day and age, but if some catastrophe happened, such as a return of the Dark Ages, Jews and Christians would probably resort to similar practices. It's all about lifestyle, the harsher the existance, the harsher one's views. >>


Are you a relativist/sophist?
 
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