Death to the philips head screw

[13Gigatons]

Why do we still use these lame screws....high torque screws would be so nice.

options:

Update:

1. Philips were chosen because Robertson would not give Henry Ford exclusive rights, he also would not license the design to other manufactures so widespread adoption slowed.

2. Square drives are American clones of the Robertson but slightly different. The American version will cam out faster then the original Robertson. Another problem is making sure to use a square drive tip in a square drive screw and a robertson tip in a robertson screw. There difficult to tell apart.

3. Philips head were designed to cam out because people and machines would over tighten them and either break the screw or item being assembled.

 

[SunSamurai]

Because everything needs high torque screws.


Screw YOU!

 

[OverVolt]

Because they go in straight.

 

[guyver01]

just use a phillips head screwdriver. Everyone knows this.

 

[guyver01]

Why do we still use these lame screws.....

because the alternative is that torture device that ikea uses called an allen wrench

 

[Locut0s]

Canada p0wns you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robertson_screwdriver

 

[SunSamurai]

because the alternative is that torture device that ikea uses called an allen wrench

Fuck those things to hell. I still have a 500$ desk that needs those and I lost the "wrenches" 4+ years ago.

I really need a driver set!

 

[shortylickens]

Robertson, Torx, and Allen are all far superior, and easily obtainable these days. Phillips should have been given up years ago. Too easy to mangle the damn things, even with a proper sized driver.

 

[13Gigatons]

The real problem is when you want to take things apart and the head starts stripping...a torx or square drive is much nicer in this situation.

 

[Leros]

The nice thing about phillips head screwdrivers is that one screwdriver fits multiple sized screws.

 

[Saga]

The nice thing about phillips head screwdrivers is that one screwdriver fits multiple sized screws.

This is also the worst thing about phillips. It causes them to strip easier by using the incorrect sized bit. Everyone knows this.

 

[ktehmok]

This is also the worst thing about phillips. It causes them to strip easier by using the incorrect sized bit. Everyone knows this.

Carry one phillips driver to handle pretty much any average screw that you come across, or carry 5+ torx drivers or interchangeable heads that are easy to lose. Simple math. Everyone knows this.

 

[Meghan54]

This is also the worst thing about phillips. It causes them to strip easier by using the incorrect sized bit. Everyone knows this.

And that's the single biggest problem with Phillips screws and drivers. Few people understand the drivers are sized as are the screw heads.

And few understand how a Phillips driver works. When using a properly sized driver and screw, when the driver torques out of the screw when tightening, the screw is at its optimal torque. That's the way it's supposed to work....the first time it torques out, it's appropriately tight for that screw and driver combo.

But, instead, we think it "slipped" out, reinsert the driver into the screw, bear down harder and continue turning the screw, typically slipping out a few more times...and ultimately damaging the screw, but we don't realize this until we attempt to remove that screw that's torqued beyond its torque specs, and damage it even more trying to remove the "stuck" overtorqued screw.

 

[LTC8K6]

A lot of people also think a pozidriv is a plain phillips, and then blame phillips when they have trouble...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pozidriv

 

[Fenixgoon]

allen/hex FTMFW!

i stripped some phillips screws that mated the carburetors to the engine on my motorcycle. ended up dremel-ing one of them off it was so bad.

 

[geno]

Canada p0wns you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robertson_screwdriver

We, uh, have those in the US, too? Or is it that they're much more common in C, eh? N, eh? D, eh?

 

[tboo]

I use the Arthur Head screw diver & screws.

 

[Tristicus]

Because they are great...and a whole lot better than those shitty flat head screws. Allen wrench screws are a pain in the ass to deal with, especially those screws that have the triangle head or star head.

 

[yhelothar]

Fuck those things to hell. I still have a 500$ desk that needs those and I lost the "wrenches" 4+ years ago.

I really need a driver set!

$200 for your desk?

 

[Red Squirrel]

What I like is the screws used in electrical. often a flat, square or star works on the same screw. I usually use the square.

 

[13Gigatons]

The nice thing about phillips head screwdrivers is that one screwdriver fits multiple sized screws.

Square drives have 5 sizes. 00,0,1,2,3

 

[Possessed Freak]

Pish, the best screws are these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nail_(fastener)

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

The issue I have with torx are that I've seen the bits twist and deform from too much torque being applied. Granted hex/allen are my fav for ease of use.

 

[Number1]

And that's the single biggest problem with Phillips screws and drivers. Few people understand the drivers are sized as are the screw heads.

And few understand how a Phillips driver works. When using a properly sized driver and screw, when the driver torques out of the screw when tightening, the screw is at its optimal torque. That's the way it's supposed to work....the first time it torques out, it's appropriately tight for that screw and driver combo.

But, instead, we think it "slipped" out, reinsert the driver into the screw, bear down harder and continue turning the screw, typically slipping out a few more times...and ultimately damaging the screw, but we don't realize this until we attempt to remove that screw that's torqued beyond its torque specs, and damage it even more trying to remove the "stuck" overtorqued screw.

You're just making excuses for a poor design. Robertson screws are superior. They go in easier and when they go in, they come out, no questions asked.

 

[Miramonti]

Carry one phillips driver to handle pretty much any average screw that you come across, or carry 5+ torx drivers or interchangeable heads that are easy to lose. Simple math. Everyone knows this.

Philips head unfortunately are not one size fits all any more than flathead screws are.

Torx on the other hand...it would be nice to use these bits that bit sets come replete with for a change.