Death Threats Against Obama Up 400

[seemingly random]

... Conservatives tend to bus their own trash ...

:laugh; Yep, both in and out.

 

[Patranus]

I just find it funny that liberals find the need to make up news storied to make the "tea baggers" look bad when in reality the "tea baggers" have done NOTHING to deserve any sort of criticism.

I wonder how many more stories we will hear that will turn out to be false.

(I also find it funny that liberals here jump on a talk show for showing stock footage but when another new outlet actually makes up news there is no outrage.)

 

[CitizenKain]

I just find it funny that liberals find the need to make up news storied to make the "tea baggers" look bad when in reality the "tea baggers" have done NOTHING to deserve any sort of criticism.

I wonder how many more stories we will hear that will turn out to be false.

(I also find it funny that liberals here jump on a talk show for showing stock footage but when another new outlet actually makes up news there is no outrage.)

How would anyone need to make up stories to make tea baggers look bad when they are perfectly capable of doing it themselves? A couple thousand people sitting in their rascal scooters with misspelled signs shrieking about the Kenyan usurper are completely immune from criticism.

 

[IGBT]

nothing more then media action lines designed to distract. next they'll be mumbling about saved and created jobs.

 

[Rainsford]

I just find it funny that liberals find the need to make up news storied to make the "tea baggers" look bad when in reality the "tea baggers" have done NOTHING to deserve any sort of criticism.

I think they're overly dramatic whiners, can I criticize them for THAT?

I wonder how many more stories we will hear that will turn out to be false.

(I also find it funny that liberals here jump on a talk show for showing stock footage but when another new outlet actually makes up news there is no outrage.)

As I said before, the vast majority of the blame leveled against "tea baggers" here seems to be coming from you trying like hell to cram words into liberals' mouths.

 

[jonks]

Doing some quick looking, the 400% number comes from a nonfiction best seller by journalist Ronald Kessler, who is DC Chief corespondent for conservative news outlet Newsmax.com.

Kessler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Kessler

400% death threat number in Frank Rich's column:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/23/opinion/23rich.html?_r=2&ref=opinion

"This week the journalist Ronald Kessler's new behind-the-scenes account of presidential security, "In the Presdient's Secret Service," rose to No. 3 on the Times nonfiction best-seller list. No wonder there's a lot of interest in the subject. We have no reason to believe that these hugely dedicated agents will fail us this time, even as threats against Obama, according to Kessler, are up 400 percent from those against his White House predecessor."

The OP link has the SS saying "we don't know where that number came from." Well now we do. So who's right, Kessler or the SS?

 

[boomerang]

The OP link has the SS saying "we don't know where that number came from." Well now we do. So who's right, Kessler or the SS?

Who do you think?

 

[jonks]

Who do you think?

I don't know what source Kessler was quoting. I don't know what source the SS chief was quoting in his testimony. Kessler is a fairly respected journalist apparently, so I don't think he's make something up from whole cloth. I can understand the motivation for the SS chief to say threats are not up, as he's covering his ass at the moment given the security lapse at the state dinner, but I don't think he's lying. But I would want to know what each of these two is basing their statements on.

What I do know is that libruls weren't the only ones out there broadcasting this claim, yet now the right only wants the libruls to eat crow. How bout some crow for Newsmax, or the Washington Times?

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_secret_service/2009/08/03/243461.html
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/30/inside-the-beltway-20895526/

This wasn't a librul conspiracy, it was all based on Kessler as far as I can tell, who works for a conservative news co. So where'd he get the number?

 

[jonks]

The definition by which you were agreeing with internment/re-education camps to force an ideology upon someone who does not agree with you. Comprehension ftw.

As you've posted several times in this thread, and I posted how Ronald Kessler, journalist and chief correspondent for a conservative news corp is the one who broached the 400% number, I wonder if you could elaborate on your first post about how liberals have to make up stories?

Oh, and Kessler via Newsmax reiterated his 400% number just last week regarding the Solahis WH party crashers story:
http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/secret_service_obama/2009/11/30/291991.html

Damned liberal rag.

 

[PJABBER]

As you've posted several times in this thread, and I posted how Ronald Kessler, journalist and chief correspondent for a conservative news corp is the one who broached the 400% number, I wonder if you could elaborate on your first post about how liberals have to make up stories?

Oh, and Kessler via Newsmax reiterated his 400% number just last week regarding the Solahis WH party crashers story:
http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/secret_service_obama/2009/11/30/291991.html

Damned liberal rag.

TLTR, not interested, really.

If threats are really up 400% then it has to be the progressives that are getting mighty pissed off that Obama is not staying on the schedule and agenda he promised them!

Oh, the humanity!

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

oh mr. Tennessee,

I remember once I was in Tennessee. I saw a girl using tobacco chew, a man on the side of the road selling honey (his sign was spelled wrong) but the best part was when our muffler broke we took it to a repair shop and he welded a hanger around it and fixed the muffler (that shit lasted for like 2 years and cost like 30 bucks so kudos to you and yours). I just wouldn't want your kind near a black president. ()

Can they be around the White half of him?
The secret service says the threats haven't increased, the only ones saying they have are the real racists. The left. If they didn't have poor black people voting for them they wouldn't be in power. How do you keep them voting for you? By keeping them down and hating the other side whether you tell them the truth or YOU LIE.

 

[Pens1566]

Apparently someone can't read.

 

[jonks]

TLTR, not interested, really.

If threats are really up 400% then it has to be the progressives that are getting mighty pissed off that Obama is not staying on the schedule and agenda he promised them!

Of course you're not interested, because it makes you and your cronies look like idiots for screaming liberal conspiracy when it was a conservative journalist who generated the story.

 

[jonks]

Can they be around the White half of him?
The secret service says the threats haven't increased, the only ones saying they have are the real racists. The left. If they didn't have poor black people voting for them they wouldn't be in power. How do you keep them voting for you? By keeping them down and hating the other side whether you tell them the truth or YOU LIE.

Again, the originator of the 400% number is Ronald Kessler, conservative journalist for Newsmax, in his most recent book. And he repeated it, again, last week, in Newsmax. So, um, you lie. Or Kessler lies. Either way, you're both on the right. Did you confuse your left and right again?

 

[wiretap]

Of course you're not interested, because it makes you and your cronies look like idiots for screaming liberal conspiracy when it was a conservative journalist who generated the story.

The journalist was reporting the data generated by US Government Officials / Secret Service. If you want to get at the root problem, falsification of data in order to make news stories pop up which negatively portray certain demographics is to blame.

 

[jonks]

The journalist was reporting the data generated by US Government Officials / Secret Service. If you want to get at the root problem, falsification of data in order to make news stories pop up which negatively portray certain demographics is to blame.

So you're saying the SS was lying then or now? I'm trying to figure out how to blame the liberals.

 

[Patranus]

So you're saying the SS was lying then or now? I'm trying to figure out how to blame the liberals.

I think the funny part is that people just take this guys "data" and run with it printing stories. Isn't the job of the media to actually follow up on stories and not report some umber out of some bloggers book without citation?

Just show the lack of journalism in the main stream media these days.

 

[wiretap]

So you're saying the SS was lying then or now? I'm trying to figure out how to blame the liberals.

Whoever in the government that printed the original reports was lying. The news stories which rolled out were coming from those reports.

 

[PJABBER]

Of course you're not interested, because it makes you and your cronies look like idiots for screaming liberal conspiracy when it was a conservative journalist who generated the story.

We already know the conservatives and now the independents have careened away from Obama. All the polling shows it.

The conservatives felt that way under Bush, they saw Obama coming, they are used to being a minority by now. They vented at the tea parties, and then picked up their trash. They are not going through any more emo trauma. They are done with that. Finito. Time to rebuild, retrench and organize. 2010 will be their year, they know it and you know it. They have Hope.

Independents, like me, tend not to be polarized until under the pressure of events it becomes necessary to head toward a more identifiable posture. And we are not the ones that generally move toward open threats anyway, being rational and all, as opposed to the blind faithful struck by the Light.

The people who are the most likely to take action are the ones who feel betrayed, who feel their sense of self, of identity, has been taken away.

The ones who are really volatile and are feeling most betrayed are the progressives. They invested all of their hopes and dreams into electing the most radical, the most leftish Senator into the power of the White House. Obama is them, and Obama is betraying them.

It started off with an exhultant cry! "Obama is going to buy me a car with the walkin' around money he has stashed away!"

As Obama has muddled along with giving their car money to the capitalist pig banks, to sending troops into Afghanistan to fight their brother Islamicists, to not closing down Gitmo, to not putting Bush and Cheney immediately into the newly vacant apartments there - why, they see this as an outright betrayal!

If health insurance "reform" does not include nationalization, if cap and trade does not immediately shut down the Earth destroying industry, if the military and the CIA are not put on trial and shot, well, that is also going to be a betrayal. They are losing Hope, though the Change is still happening all around them.

So far as I know, there has been no identification of the political spectrum of those making threats. Most are likely kooks with serious adjustment issues under the double pressure of personal economic stresses and, again, what they see as some kind of betrayal of hope, the definition of hope being whatever they think it is.

The progressives, as always, feel they are the most betrayed. Ergo, my guess, and only my guess, is that they are making up a good part of the threat spectrum.

Anyway, why rag on the guys who bring these stories to light. Shine a light, Right On! (fist pump!)

 

[seemingly random]

We already know the conservatives and now the independents have careened away from Obama. All the polling shows it.

...

I hope you're getting paid for spreading disinformation and tripe in general. I imagine you're an admirer of goebbels.

 

[Patranus]

I hope you're getting paid for spreading disinformation and tripe in general. I imagine you're an admirer of goebbels.

You are acting like Gibbs. Maybe you should look at anyone of the current (major) polls.

 

[seemingly random]

You are acting like Gibbs. Maybe you should look at anyone of the current (major) polls.

Now that's an indefensible insult -comparing me to a white house press secretary. I'm going to file a complaint with ... with ... someone.

 

[jonks]

Whoever in the government that printed the original reports was lying. The news stories which rolled out were coming from those reports.

The news stories I've read which cite the 400% number all cite Kessler, who cited an unnamed agency as his source but claimed the SS confirmed the number when he contacted them. So again, either SS lied then or is lying now, or Kessler is lying about ever contacting them.

 

[Lemon law]

I just find it funny that liberals find the need to make up news storied to make the "tea baggers" look bad when in reality the "tea baggers" have done NOTHING to deserve any sort of criticism.

I wonder how many more stories we will hear that will turn out to be false.

(I also find it funny that liberals here jump on a talk show for showing stock footage but when another new outlet actually makes up news there is no outrage.)

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Where does this crazy assertion come from in terms of tea baggers doing nothing wrong.

When we actually have a bunch of tea bagger crazies packing town hall meetings and shouting all rational discussion down.

That is not democracy in action, that is tea bagger mob rule.

What is really ironic is that some of the crazies recruited by Dick Armey have gotten a taste of political power, and will likely run a slate of their own candidates, thereby splitting the radical right even further and showing that mad dogs will bite even the hand that fed them.

 

[PJABBER]

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Where does this crazy assertion come from in terms of tea baggers doing nothing wrong.

When we actually have a bunch of tea bagger crazies packing town hall meetings and shouting all rational discussion down.

That is not democracy in action, that is tea bagger mob rule.

What is really ironic is that some of the crazies recruited by Dick Armey have gotten a taste of political power, and will likely run a slate of their own candidates, thereby splitting the radical right even further and showing that mad dogs will bite even the hand that fed them.

Grandpa in his wheelchair and grandma with crutches really scared you, huh?