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Death penalty recommended for Calif. arsonist

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
I never support the death penalty. I also believe some people can change, so I went with the third option.
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Me neither, but I doubt most people can or wish to change, so I'm happy keeping this idiot locked away for the rest of his natural days.
 
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
how did he commit murder?

did he throw these dudes into the fire?
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If you are a drunk driver and kill someone are you a murder?

If you are speeding and kill someone are you a murder??

If you are talking on the cell phone while driving and kill someone are you a murder??

Where do you stop?
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Felony murder. Involves.....a felony. Typically something that has the clear intent of violence and/or destruction of life/property.
 
In the commission of a felony, if someone dies, then it's usually felony murder and comes with a capital crimes charge.

This guy deserves worse, he should be glad he's only getting the death penalty.
 
PJ - your analogies are all wrong - although I'd argue that if you are drunk and you hit someone and kill them it should be a felony as well - but this guy intentionally lit fires - it's logical to think that some of these fires - given conditions in CA - would become very large and dangerous fires, and in fact could be dangerous to people living nearby or trying to fight the fire.

Skoorb - people can change? Do you realize how many of our violent crimes are committed by people that are multiple offenders? Our prison system doesn't reform people, it makes them better criminals. Do some people change having gone to prison? Sure, but they are by far the minority, not the majority.
 
Originally posted by: ZeGermans
It's felony murder, which is a nice little clause that helps white people execute black people
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Come on... WTH does race have to do with this?
 
Originally posted by: NeoV
PJ - your analogies are all wrong - although I'd argue that if you are drunk and you hit someone and kill them it should be a felony as well - but this guy intentionally lit fires - it's logical to think that some of these fires - given conditions in CA - would become very large and dangerous fires, and in fact could be dangerous to people living nearby or trying to fight the fire.
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Drinking alcohol is not an intentional act? Driving is not an intentional act?
 
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: Skoorb
I never support the death penalty. I also believe some people can change, so I went with the third option.
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Me neither, but I doubt most people can or wish to change, so I'm happy keeping this idiot locked away for the rest of his natural days.
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That's why only parole if he truly has changed beyond any reasonable doubt. Otherwise, if in doubt, prison bars.

 
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
this is manslaughter tops, certainly not a death penalty case by any means.
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I dunno. Manslaughter is when you accidentally kill someone. Deliberately setting a wildfire, to me, is no more manslaughter than detonating a bomb.
 
the guy SET FIRES....it is reasonable to expect that when you set more than one INTENTIONALLY people could very well die...including and especially the firefighters.

burn this mother fucker.

 
I support the death penalty, however, it isn't supposed to apply to arson. Just because your actions result in the death of another doesn't mean that you should be subject to capital punishment. Eye for an eye doesn't apply as there are many more qualitative and intrinsic details that factor into what a proper sentence should be. By the 'gangreous limb' argument for capital punishment which I subscribe to, this man does not represent that kind of danger to society. He should be incarcerated only, not executed.
 
Intentionally set fire to a building, you are committing arson.

Intentionally set fire to a building and kill some one, you are committing murder.

Accidentally set a building on fire, you committed arson.

Accidentally set fire to a building and kill some one, you are guilty of manslaughter or second degree.

Of course a firefighter whose job is to search for victims and control the fire goes in and dies, makes it first degree murder. 'caues the arsonist knows that is what firefighters do.
 
Originally posted by: ericlp
Kill the MoFo. Tax Payers won't have to foot the bill for life in prison.

Let's air the this on national television. You know... Make an example to assholes that want to burn down your house and possible kill you...

I think we should go one step further. Feed him to the lions.

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That is what is wrong with the USA today.

We are TOO SOFT on criminals. PJ just wants to slap him on his wrist and set him free to spark up some more fires.

I guess I'm pretty harsh on this because I think people should lose a finger for stealing ... I was a corrections officer and when you've seen all the BS that happens in american prison system you'd be outraged as well. It's a shame and a joke that needs to be fixed --- We need to start PUNISHING people for the crimes they do.
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I'm pretty upset someone as mentally unbalanced as yourself was a corrections officer.
 
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
OK with me :thumbsup:

He is not an "arsonist" he is a murderer. That is what he is getting the death penalty for. Not really anything the Supreme Court can do.

Your thread title is dishonest.
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how did he commit murder? Yes.

did he throw these dudes into the fire?
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Yes, he knows that is what firefighters do.

Liv'in up to your name, huh?
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
If the judge agrees with the jury then this seems like a perfect case to take to the Supreme Court.
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Death penalty for five first degree murders? Supreme court case?? You must be dreaming!
 
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
OK with me :thumbsup:

He is not an "arsonist" he is a murderer. That is what he is getting the death penalty for. Not really anything the Supreme Court can do.

Your thread title is dishonest.
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how did he commit murder?


did he throw these dudes into the fire?
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He falls under the Felony Murder Rule statute.Felony Murder Rule
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
If you are a drunk driver and kill someone are you a murder?

If you are speeding and kill someone are you a murder??

If you are talking on the cell phone while driving and kill someone are you a murder??

Where do you stop?

Show me that his goal was to kill people, or that there was a reasonable expectation that someone might die via the fire THEN I might agree with you. But so far all I see is a guy who started a fire that killed some one.
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It doesn't matter if the goal was to kill someone or not. If the death of another occurs during the commission of felony, then you can be tried for murder. Particularly if the death was a foreseeable result of the felony act - arson in this case and its easily foreseeable that firefighters and innocent civilians could die.
 
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