Death Penalty Poll (Old Poll Deleted, due to error)

[Moonbeam]

The death penalty is a morally bankrupt idea. We will kill you if you kill is total hypocrisy. To take life is wrong but to defend life from killers by killing them in the act is OK if it is the only option.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
I agree with the death penalty in theory, but I don't think that the reality of our justice system is fair enough to implement it. Too much doubt and uncertainty, too many cases overturned years later on DNA Evidence. If we had a perfect legal system that was never wrong, I'd agree but it's better to let a thousand guilty people go free than to wrongly execute a single innocent person.


I'm a registered Independent.

edit: Wow, the poll actually got WORSE.

I would agree.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOIPRaTZ3kQ

 

[nageov3t]

I oppose giving the state the right to murder when no one is in any immediate danger.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
I agree with the death penalty in theory, but I don't think that the reality of our justice system is fair enough to implement it. Too much doubt and uncertainty, too many cases overturned years later on DNA Evidence. If we had a perfect legal system that was never wrong, I'd agree but it's better to let a thousand guilty people go free than to wrongly execute a single innocent person.

Pretty much my thoughts. Yes there are some that absolutely deserve to die. Would love to throw the switch myself.

But if we cannot be absolutely 100% sure on every single case we can't do any at all.

Registered libertarian.

Viper GTS

 

[Eeezee]

Only on P&N can you come in and see an attempt to completely polarize everyone into conservative or liberal. I'm fiscally classically conservative (not modern conservative, since that involves outspending even liberal governments), but in most other ways I'm liberal (live and let live I say).

 

[mugs]

I identify most closely with the libertarian party.

I am strongly opposed to the death penalty for no reason other than that there is no doubt in my mind that we have executed men who were innocent. I am not morally opposed to execution as a punishment for a crime, but I think that an innocent person should have as much opportunity as possible to clear their name. Considering how many people have been cleared after conviction">http://www.innocenceproject.or...ow/Browse-Profiles.php</a> (not all death penalty cases, but many were on death row and I think the rest were sentenced to life in prison), I don't have a whole lot of confidence in our ability to ascertain the truth. I know there are cases where there is no doubt of death, but unfortunately (or fortunately?) we can't differentiate between "really sure" guilty and "pretty sure" guilty.

I'm content to let hundreds of guilty men live out their lives in prison so that dozens of innocent men can have the opportunity to prove their innocence and be free.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Eeezee
Only on P&N can you come in and see an attempt to completely polarize everyone into conservative or liberal.

Not true

Have you turned on your radio in the last 8 years?

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Non-politically affiliated

Oppose the death penalty in all cases but treason

 

[BoberFett]

Libertarian against

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The death penalty is a morally bankrupt idea. We will kill you if you kill is total hypocrisy. To take life is wrong but to defend life from killers by killing them in the act is OK if it is the only option.

Agreed.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Does the poll ask the right question?
Which is better, an innocent man sitting prison or an innocent man executed??
OH! What could be the answer? If they are convicted they must be guilty of something, right? Or not?

 

[Farang]

Against. An imperfect justice system (as any justice system is) does not have the authority to deliver the most perfect, permanent punishment there is. It removes the necessary ability for the system to correct itself, all in the name of vengeance. Deterrence does not play a role because it is proven that capital punishment is not a deterrent. Therefore I see no valid reason why capital punishment should exist.

I am a social liberal. Fiscal policy is not my game so I don't know what you'd call me there.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
Liberal, favor.

+1

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: loki8481
I oppose giving the state the right to murder when no one is in any immediate danger.

+1 - Liberal strongly aganst here, as has been made clear previously.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Libertarian against

x2

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The death penalty is a morally bankrupt idea. We will kill you if you kill is total hypocrisy. To take life is wrong but to defend life from killers by killing them in the act is OK if it is the only option.

For you Moonie, just think of it as a very late-term abortion. That should make it all better for you.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The death penalty is a morally bankrupt idea. We will kill you if you kill is total hypocrisy. To take life is wrong but to defend life from killers by killing them in the act is OK if it is the only option.

For you Moonie, just think of it as a very late-term abortion. That should make it all better for you.

The fetus is not defined as having rights before a certain point in gestation in relation to the woman's rights not have her own rights of choice violated. You have perhaps made the personal determination that life begins at conception and preempt all other rights. If so, you create a tyranny of absolutes which the law and American women are successfully free from. Late term abortion is not generally legal or desirable. These laws were made by men to save themselves from the tyranny of absolutists for whom the practice of their absolutes supersedes the sane functioning of rational life. Abortion and the death penalty are totally, completely and fundamentally different issues having no relationship at all. A woman has the right to terminate a pregnancy within limits. The state does not, nor should the state take any other's life.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The death penalty is a morally bankrupt idea. We will kill you if you kill is total hypocrisy. To take life is wrong but to defend life from killers by killing them in the act is OK if it is the only option.

For you Moonie, just think of it as a very late-term abortion. That should make it all better for you.

The fetus is not defined as having rights before a certain point in gestation in relation to the woman's rights not have her own rights of choice violated. You have perhaps made the personal determination that life begins at conception and preempt all other rights. If so, you create a tyranny of absolutes which the law and American women are successfully free from. Late term abortion is not generally legal or desirable. These laws were made by men to save themselves from the tyranny of absolutists for whom the practice of their absolutes supersedes the sane functioning of rational life. Abortion and the death penalty are totally, completely and fundamentally different issues having no relationship at all. A woman has the right to terminate a pregnancy within limits. The state does not, nor should the state take any other's life.

Your absolutes against absolutists are absolutely hysterical. And abortion and the death penalty are unrelated because . . . you say so? I'd ask for more, but I've come to understand now that behind your smoke-and-mirrors pseudo-intellectualism is not much substance. But maybe that's just my self-hate talking.

 

[yllus]

I don't oppose it very strongly on a moral basis, I just think it's too final an action for the state to take since we all know the justice system can be imperfect.

 

[GTKeeper]

I support the death penalty. And for me its an almost economic issue. Its cheaper to not have to support someone for 40 years.

Now, I favor the death penalty more strongly in repeat offender cases. People who abuse children etc. that get convicted more than once should be automatically put to death. I have absolutely no remorse for scum like that. Repeat offenders prove that they are incapable of change and that burden should not be put on society.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

As long as proof of crime is 100% solid, I am a liberal and I am for it, but not 40 year death row sentences. In order for a death penalty to have any effectiveness, it needs to be swift in punishment.

 

[JTsyo]

I would say yes but not for single murder. If they get convicted of two violent crimes or kill multiple people then the option should be there. I think it's less likely to be wrongly convicted of two crimes than one. The three strike rules might be well served with the death penalty. If they have already been in jail twice and didn't rehabilitate, why just keep them in prison?
As above, I think it's silly to drag out the date. It should all be within 2 years of the judgment.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
Liberal, favor.

+1

It doesn't surprise me that you're the bloodthirsty type.

A real man doesn't need to kill others to feel good about himself.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The death penalty is a morally bankrupt idea. We will kill you if you kill is total hypocrisy. To take life is wrong but to defend life from killers by killing them in the act is OK if it is the only option.

For you Moonie, just think of it as a very late-term abortion. That should make it all better for you.

The fetus is not defined as having rights before a certain point in gestation in relation to the woman's rights not have her own rights of choice violated. You have perhaps made the personal determination that life begins at conception and preempt all other rights. If so, you create a tyranny of absolutes which the law and American women are successfully free from. Late term abortion is not generally legal or desirable. These laws were made by men to save themselves from the tyranny of absolutists for whom the practice of their absolutes supersedes the sane functioning of rational life. Abortion and the death penalty are totally, completely and fundamentally different issues having no relationship at all. A woman has the right to terminate a pregnancy within limits. The state does not, nor should the state take any other's life.

Your absolutes against absolutists are absolutely hysterical. And abortion and the death penalty are unrelated because . . . you say so? I'd ask for more, but I've come to understand now that behind your smoke-and-mirrors pseudo-intellectualism is not much substance. But maybe that's just my self-hate talking.

When people have their heads in the clouds, are stuff full of unexamined assumptions, they see straight thinking, often times, as smoke and mirrors. It is actually a kind of magic for them, because they can't do it. Take your notion of absolutes against absolutes, it sounds very cleaver, but it is just an artifact of language. The fact that absolutist thinking is dangerous does not make the this fact into an absolute that is dangerous to consider. It is just how it usually pans out. If you generate your own hysteria and amuse yourself with it, that's fine by me, but I can't take it seriously. I see that kind of thinking as a joke. And abortion and the death penalty are unrelated for the very reasons that I said. The death penalty is about punishing people and abortion is about what the fact that women don't become pregnant by volition. I made my case. It is up to you to make a better one if you think you can. You are probably right about the self hate thing because you seem to need denigrate my thinking with put downs rather than challenge the actual thoughts and that tells me your feeling some ego threat. You can't imagine how stupid you have been made to feel and how important it may be to you to feel smart. The consequence, I see everywhere, is intellectual competition. I myself, am very stupid and a pseudo intellectual whose main forte is smoke and mirrors, hehe. You won't get any competition from me.

 

[Moonbeam]

There is no point to the death penalty. It is about vengeance. You can never get even even if you kill the world. To lose what one loves is to suffer forever unless you can forgive. There is no other way. Only dying on the cross can get you into heaven.

Meanwhile, the world is dying from vengeance and you are apart of the reason. The world is dying because you and I aren't equal to the task we have to forgive. We wish pain on the world and it comes right back. All the sick psychotics of our world all produced by vengeance.