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Death Panels - Real Or Hargle Bargle?

Death Panels Are,...

  • not real. They don't exist.

  • Real. VERY REAL!! <provide proof and examples>

  • ,... OBUMMER IS MOOSLIM WHO IS OUT TO DESTROY 'MURICA VIA DEARTH PANELS!!

  • I am a raging moron.

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Newell Steamer

Newell Steamer

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Republicans call not writing a blank check to big medicine "death panels." They wrote a blank check to big pharma, and banned the government from negotiating lower prices. Then they turn around and complain how Medicare spending is unsustainable and how we should keep people off it until they are 70. This is what the Republicans do. Create huge budget messes, then complain about them.
 
Newell Steamer said:
Looks like it's not just some lunatic from Alaska that is spouting off on how they will kill off your parents and child with downs syndrome,... people are still 'chatting' about them.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=death+panels&tbm=nws

I can understand politicians and right wing nutters trying to get everyone worked up. But, what do YOU think about death panels?

I have yet to see anything substantial or any proof of death panels.
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Which "DEATH PANELS" the big health insurance doctors that make up reasons to deny coverage or the MD counsultants that give advice in end of life options?
 
WHAMPOM said:
Which "DEATH PANELS" the big health insurance doctors that make up reasons to deny coverage or the MD counsultants that give advice in end of life options?
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^^^This right now "death panels" are essentially contracted call center employees for the insurance companies. I willing to be a bunch don't even live in the US.
 
Newell Steamer said:
Looks like it's not just some lunatic from Alaska that is spouting off on how they will kill off your parents and child with downs syndrome,... people are still 'chatting' about them.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...panels&tbm=nws

I can understand politicians and right wing nutters trying to get everyone worked up. But, what do YOU think about death panels?

I have yet to see anything substantial or any proof of death panels.
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yawn...nothing to see here..move along!!
 
Not sure about death panels but at my recent annual physical I was handed paperwork to fill out with instructions on how I want end of life handled should my health deteriorate. Two of the four options listed were pretty disturbing. Essentially they were worded in such a way that an unconcerned third party could subjectively determine that my quality of life wasn't good enough to attempt to prolong my life. There were no guidelines governing their decision whatsoever. I have never seen such a thing before in my life. Needless to say I opted not to fill out their form. When I got the billing statement for the visit I saw a charge on there for end of life counseling. I guess handing you a stack of papers to read is now considered counseling and is billable.

I have my end of life wishes already layed out in a document my lawyer drew up for me. Not going to put in in the hands of any doctor or insurance agent.

Felt like someone was trying to trick me into filling something out i didn't want or need.
 
senseamp said:
Republicans call not writing a blank check to big medicine "death panels." They wrote a blank check to big pharma, and banned the government from negotiating lower prices. Then they turn around and complain how Medicare spending is unsustainable and how we should keep people off it until they are 70. This is what the Republicans do. Create huge budget messes, then complain about them.
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And when the Dems are in control; they do not fix what they complain about.
:colbert:
Easier to blame the other side than take responsibility to fix issues.
 
cabri said:
And when the Dems are in control; they do not fix what they complain about.
:colbert:
Easier to blame the other side than take responsibility to fix issues.
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Agreed, but responsibility for not fixing and responsibility for breaking can't be compared, that's like burning someone's house down, and then blaming that person for not rebuilding it.
 
senseamp said:
Agreed, but responsibility for not fixing and responsibility for breaking can't be compared, that's like burning someone's house down, and then blaming that person for not rebuilding it.
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Like Hurricane Sandy where the funds were given by Obama but still haven't gotten to the people because of Chris Christie's cronism?

http://articles.philly.com/2015-05-01/news/61693846_1_richman-homeowners-richard-constable

Two and a half years after Hurricane Sandy struck the Shore, about 1,200 New Jersey homeowners are still awaiting state approval of their applications for aid to help rebuild their homes, a top official in Gov. Christie's administration told lawmakers Wednesday.

About 6,800 residents have qualified for grants through the state's Rehabilitation, Reconstruction, Elevation, and Mitigation (RREM) program. Of those, 6,300 have received some money and about 1,000 have reported that they have completed construction and are back in their homes, said Charles A. Richman, acting commissioner of the Department of Community Affairs.

Lawmakers expressed frustration that more people had not been able to return to their homes by now.
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This is a very real forecast for the future if SCOTUS guts Obamacare, they'll blame obama and do NOTHING except complain government is the problem.. while smoking Cuban cigars thanks to Obama.
 
soulcougher73 said:
Insurance companies have been killing people for years by denying coverage when the person is costing them too much money.
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Truth. :thumbsup:

And it's probably going to get a lot worse. Someone born in 1966 won't be retirement age for another 15 years. That's the tail end of the baby boomers. But life expectancy continues to increase which means many more people getting expensive procedures and medications as they enter that final glide path.
 
senseamp said:
Republicans call not writing a blank check to big medicine "death panels." They wrote a blank check to big pharma, and banned the government from negotiating lower prices. Then they turn around and complain how Medicare spending is unsustainable and how we should keep people off it until they are 70. This is what the Republicans do. Create huge budget messes, then complain about them.
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Exactly, there's no blank check, never has been, and none should ever exist. So, yes in a sense there are death panels, but they aren't new. Now instead of the health insurance company making the decision based on some opaque set of rules, the insurance company makes those decisions based on defined guidelines.
 
Death panels have existed since the founding of the very first insurance company and the very first actuary placed quill to paper. So by proxy, the ACA will continue shifting this moral obligation to the government.

Yes Virginia, by any other PC name there are death panels and always will be.
 
soulcougher73 said:
Insurance companies have been killing people for years by denying coverage when the person is costing them too much money.
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Assuming that's true, will government have any incentive to kill people by denying coverage?

With limited resources available would you deny treatment for, let's say lung cancer in a 72 year old who smoked up until ten years ago? How about a baby born prematurely with down's syndrome?

Assume this is your job with the government. Two very different situations. What's your decision?
 
bradley said:
Death panels have existed since the founding of the very first insurance company and the very first actuary placed quill to paper. So by proxy, the ACA will continue shifting this moral obligation to the government.

Yes Virginia, by any other PC name there are death panels and always will be.
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Exactly. It's the Independent Payment Advisory Board. A lot of people think IPAB stands for Independent 'Patient' Advisory Board. No, no,no. It's not about patients, it's about the money.

But it's government, so it's good.
 
boomerang said:
Assuming that's true, will government have any incentive to kill people by denying coverage?

With limited resources available would you deny treatment for, let's say lung cancer in a 72 year old who smoked up until ten years ago? How about a baby born prematurely with down's syndrome?

Assume this is your job with the government. Two very different situations. What's your decision?
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Take care of both of them? I don't think you understand the primary goals of each entity. One has a goal to be profitable and the other has a goal to take care of it's citizens. Only one might pose a possible conflict.
 
senseamp said:
Republicans call not writing a blank check to big medicine "death panels." They wrote a blank check to big pharma, and banned the government from negotiating lower prices. Then they turn around and complain how Medicare spending is unsustainable and how we should keep people off it until they are 70. This is what the Republicans do. Create huge budget messes, then complain about them.
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Well Rick Scott should be in prison for a couple cases of medical fraud when he was a CEO of a major medical institution instead of the Governor of Florida and is now trying to sue the Federal Government over his continued stupidity.

I guess he's not stupid in that case though. just the idiots re electing him.
 
Rhetoric aside, someone or group has to decide weather or not continued treatment for a given condition is of value. How much do you spend to save an 80 year old with a failing heart? Is it twenty bucks or twenty million? The question has to be addressed.
 
No doubt they exist within private companies.

The question is geared towards the claims that ACA is all about the death panels.

Certain posters on these forums have stated that the death panel claim for ACA is just the ramblings of one crazy bitch from Alaska - nothing more.

But, the truth is, many right leaning defective minded folks still spew out ACA = letting people die and suffer.
 
cabri said:
And when the Dems are in control; they do not fix what they complain about.
:colbert:
Easier to blame the other side than take responsibility to fix issues.
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Please. Once Repubs have things profitably fucked up, they go for the obstructionist/ filibuster routine to keep it that way, spread FUD & whine about how they're just as bad because they haven't fixed it. They'll do it just to maintain a pander point with the faithful.

"Death panels" are FUD of the worst sort, deliberately created to sway senior voters in 2010.

The only "death panels" any of us will likely ever face are those of Repub lawmakers-

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/organ-transplants-denied-in-arizona-after-medicaid-agencys-budget-cut/
 
Does anyone here actually believe that it is financially feasible or economically possible to provide everyone with all of the medical care they require, regardless of the circumstances?

If you do...you're just blowing smoke up everyone's ass. If you don't...you're being nothing more than a partisan shill in this thread.
 
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