Death Panels in California -- Why do the Free Marketers Ignore This?

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Ok, so private insurance has them. Now take the public option, underfund it, triple the projected costs, and add tons of overhead, waste, and fraud. And explain to me with a straight face the Public Option won't have them as well?

Why, because you suck so much as a nation you can't do it right like the rest of the civilised world.

You pay a SHITLOAD more for less care and while you proclaim you have a great healthcare, statistics says it's the shit in the sea compared to even the UK.

I've always wondered why you don't privatise the Police, why pay for others protections when you could buy insurance to ensure your own? Or firefighters or military for that matter.

Seems right up where you want to be, in an anarchy where everyone fends for their own safety and health.

IMO, you are all fucking stupid, you pay a LOT more for a lot less.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
Isn't it amazing that the free market advocates get themselves so very worked up over death panels

You're confusing Republicans with fiscal conservatives.

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Why can't everyone realize that every system will have to "ration." Free markets are the best system for allocating limited resources.

How do you figure?

Free markets are much like evolution. In one the successful survive, in the the strong.

Free markets ensure those most successful are most protected and provided for, thereby assuring a continuance of success. Our perverted system today attempts to give the most resources and care to the lowest common denominator, ensuring a continuance of failure.

You measure success in dollars. The real world is a little different. We can't all be billionaires, but that doesn't mean that most of us don't provide a necessary service.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Why can't everyone realize that every system will have to "ration." Free markets are the best system for allocating limited resources.

How do you figure?

Free markets are much like evolution. In one the successful survive, in the the strong.

Free markets ensure those most successful are most protected and provided for, thereby assuring a continuance of success. Our perverted system today attempts to give the most resources and care to the lowest common denominator, ensuring a continuance of failure.

You measure success in dollars. The real world is a little different. We can't all be billionaires, but that doesn't mean that most of us don't provide a necessary service.

If you measure it in cold hard cash, then the US system has the WORST of the WORST of systems, if you mesure it in quality of care, well, look at the statistics, well then the US isn't doing so dandy either.

Again, why not have firefighters work for private insurance companies or the Police work for private security insurancey companies. Think of the taxes for the love of god, THINK OF THE TAXES!

Oh, and BTW, according to your insurances, the military gets the weekend off.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Why can't everyone realize that every system will have to "ration." Free markets are the best system for allocating limited resources.

How do you figure?

Free markets are much like evolution. In one the successful survive, in the the strong.

Free markets ensure those most successful are most protected and provided for, thereby assuring a continuance of success. Our perverted system today attempts to give the most resources and care to the lowest common denominator, ensuring a continuance of failure.

You measure success in dollars. The real world is a little different. We can't all be billionaires, but that doesn't mean that most of us don't provide a necessary service.

If you measure it in cold hard cash, then the US system has the WORST of the WORST of systems, if you mesure it in quality of care, well, look at the statistics, well then the US isn't doing so dandy either.

Again, why not have firefighters work for private insurance companies or the Police work for private security insurancey companies. Think of the taxes for the love of god, THINK OF THE TAXES!

Oh, and BTW, according to your insurances, the military gets the weekend off.

Sometimes it takes a foriegn perspective to open peoples eyes!

The American sheeple have been brainwashed to believe that Insurance is a righteous capitlistic venture when it is as it always has been fucking snake oil, it's an illusion of security sold to the poor by the rich. You think rich people buy insurance? Think again! It's no small coincidence that "Insurance" is the term long used by gangsters and mobsters to describe thier security services.

Although I think ALL insurance is bullshit and borderline immoral, I can tolerate it for Autos and personal property but Healthcare is a matter of life and death and the Insurance industry syphoning off billions of dollars that could be saving peoples lives is worse than evil.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
Isn't it amazing that the free market advocates get themselves so very worked up over death panels in Oregon and alleged death panels in Obama's plan yet completely miss the very real death panels that already exist right in front of their faces? Why don't they get worked up over that, too?

http://www.reuters.com/article...2-Sep-2009+PRN20090902

More than one of every five requests
for medical claims for insured patients, even when recommended by a patient's
physician, are rejected by California's largest private insurers, amounting to
very real death panels in practice daily in the nation's biggest state,
according to data released today by the California Nurses Association/National
Nurses Organizing Committee.

---------------

"With all the dishonest claims made by some politicians about alleged 'death
panels' in proposed national legislation, the reality for patients today is a
daily, cold-hearted rejection of desperately needed medical care by the
nation's biggest and wealthiest insurance companies simply because they don't
want to pay for it," said Deborah Burger, RN, CNA/NNOC co-president.

This thread does nothing more than prove the claim of 'death panels' is real, contrary to the UHC suppoerts' complaints.

If private insurers have them, the public option damn well better too. Otherwise, they'd be green flagging any and all proposed proceedures and costs would sky rocket.

Why do some oppose of the idea of government death panels? They've said many times that they don't want the government to have control over that.

Why is that? I can only guess:

1. You can threaten lawsuits and bad publicity against a private insurer. I bet they don't believe, and with good reason, they can do that in disputes over withheld care with the government itself.

2. I bet that many belive if a private insurer is acting badly and refusing care, they can go to the government and get help. The government is supposed to regulate to some extent. Where do you go if the government itself is the one refusing?

3. Some people here seem to believe that the government is some benign enity, an entity with compassion etc. Well - news flash - there's a helluva lot of people who believe otherwise. When some of you end up dealing with the government over R/E zoning issues that dimminsh the value of your propertyand/or qaulity of life, or eminent domain where you lose your property, or get annexed and have to pay lots of tax for no appatent benefit, or get into income tax trouble, I think you might find they're not as compassionate and noble as you now believe. The old cliche is "don't get into a fight with City Hall, you can't win". Well, putting these kinds of HC decisions into hands of government leads directly to that. Something many don't want.

4. Then there's always "take the devil you know over one you don't".

Fern

 

[JSt0rm]

this guy is really smart. He will be seen a hero by all the inbred fucks in his district and have his seat for life. Bravo.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Why can't everyone realize that every system will have to "ration." Free markets are the best system for allocating limited resources.

How do you figure?

Have you taken a look at the federal budget lately?

Companies are eventually forced to "live" within their means. On the other hand, it is in a politicians best interests (at least short term) to do the exact opposite.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Why can't everyone realize that every system will have to "ration." Free markets are the best system for allocating limited resources.

How do you figure?

Have you taken a look at the federal budget lately?

Companies are eventually forced to "live" within their means. On the other hand, it is in a politicians best interests (at least short term) to do the exact opposite.

In reality, every other country pays less for more.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Why can't everyone realize that every system will have to "ration." Free markets are the best system for allocating limited resources.

How do you figure?

Free markets are much like evolution. In one the successful survive, in the the strong.

Free markets ensure those most successful are most protected and provided for, thereby assuring a continuance of success. Our perverted system today attempts to give the most resources and care to the lowest common denominator, ensuring a continuance of failure.

You measure success in dollars. The real world is a little different. We can't all be billionaires, but that doesn't mean that most of us don't provide a necessary service.

If you measure it in cold hard cash, then the US system has the WORST of the WORST of systems, if you mesure it in quality of care, well, look at the statistics, well then the US isn't doing so dandy either.

Again, why not have firefighters work for private insurance companies or the Police work for private security insurancey companies. Think of the taxes for the love of god, THINK OF THE TAXES!

Oh, and BTW, according to your insurances, the military gets the weekend off.

Sometimes it takes a foriegn perspective to open peoples eyes!

The American sheeple have been brainwashed to believe that Insurance is a righteous capitlistic venture when it is as it always has been fucking snake oil, it's an illusion of security sold to the poor by the rich. You think rich people by insurance? Think again! It's no small coincidence that "Insurance" is the term long used by gangsters and mobsters to describe thier security services.

Although I think ALL insurance is bullshit and borderline immoral, I can tolerate it for Autos and personal property but Healthcare is a matter of life and death and the Insurance industry syphoning off billions of dollars that could be saving peoples lives is worse than evil.

Of course, all insurances are not bad, but you don't get people standing outside your house with homeowners (who refuse to do anything because it was a known issue that a fire might burn down your house) and auto insurance (at least in Britain) is mandatory to ensure that if you are the cause of the accident the one you hit will get his property restored.

There are some things that a society needs to ensure, that is safety and health, now that involves the Military, the Police, the Firefighters and Health care.

I find the idiocy of people going to the doc for a cold idiotic, i haven't visited a doc since i got shot in the arse and if i don't have to see one for ther rest of my life that is great, so fucking forget the "omg it's free so i'm going every day" idiocy too, it's not a fuckload of fun to go see the doc, in fact, most people in countries that DO have UHC don't see them as often as they should.

I can't, for the life of me, understand how healthcare is not a guaranteed right in a society that prides itself to be for equality, i just can't understand how the fuck their brains turns to mush when the issue comes up.

It should be fucking obvious, a nation takes care of the people who live in it, that involves healthcare, OBVIOUSLY.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Why can't everyone realize that every system will have to "ration." Free markets are the best system for allocating limited resources.

How do you figure?

Free markets are much like evolution. In one the successful survive, in the the strong.

Free markets ensure those most successful are most protected and provided for, thereby assuring a continuance of success. Our perverted system today attempts to give the most resources and care to the lowest common denominator, ensuring a continuance of failure.

You measure success in dollars. The real world is a little different. We can't all be billionaires, but that doesn't mean that most of us don't provide a necessary service.

If you measure it in cold hard cash, then the US system has the WORST of the WORST of systems, if you mesure it in quality of care, well, look at the statistics, well then the US isn't doing so dandy either.

Again, why not have firefighters work for private insurance companies or the Police work for private security insurancey companies. Think of the taxes for the love of god, THINK OF THE TAXES!

Oh, and BTW, according to your insurances, the military gets the weekend off.

Some of that might be due to the fact that we Americans live absurdly unhealthy lives. Banning fast food would do a lot more for the health of Americans than any .gov ran healthcare.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Why can't everyone realize that every system will have to "ration." Free markets are the best system for allocating limited resources.

How do you figure?

Free markets are much like evolution. In one the successful survive, in the the strong.

Free markets ensure those most successful are most protected and provided for, thereby assuring a continuance of success. Our perverted system today attempts to give the most resources and care to the lowest common denominator, ensuring a continuance of failure.

You measure success in dollars. The real world is a little different. We can't all be billionaires, but that doesn't mean that most of us don't provide a necessary service.

If you measure it in cold hard cash, then the US system has the WORST of the WORST of systems, if you mesure it in quality of care, well, look at the statistics, well then the US isn't doing so dandy either.

Again, why not have firefighters work for private insurance companies or the Police work for private security insurancey companies. Think of the taxes for the love of god, THINK OF THE TAXES!

Oh, and BTW, according to your insurances, the military gets the weekend off.

Sometimes it takes a foriegn perspective to open peoples eyes!

The American sheeple have been brainwashed to believe that Insurance is a righteous capitlistic venture when it is as it always has been fucking snake oil, it's an illusion of security sold to the poor by the rich. You think rich people by insurance? Think again! It's no small coincidence that "Insurance" is the term long used by gangsters and mobsters to describe thier security services.

Although I think ALL insurance is bullshit and borderline immoral, I can tolerate it for Autos and personal property but Healthcare is a matter of life and death and the Insurance industry syphoning off billions of dollars that could be saving peoples lives is worse than evil.

Wanna make a bet that those evil rich bastards will make out better if a healthcare bill is passed?

Washington DC is owned by the rich and that includes our president. Yes it sucks but thats the way it is and I don't see US changing that anytime soon so you can rest assured that just about all bills going to the president for signature where written for (and probably by) those evil rich bastards.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Why can't everyone realize that every system will have to "ration." Free markets are the best system for allocating limited resources.

How do you figure?

Free markets are much like evolution. In one the successful survive, in the the strong.

Free markets ensure those most successful are most protected and provided for, thereby assuring a continuance of success. Our perverted system today attempts to give the most resources and care to the lowest common denominator, ensuring a continuance of failure.

You measure success in dollars. The real world is a little different. We can't all be billionaires, but that doesn't mean that most of us don't provide a necessary service.

If you measure it in cold hard cash, then the US system has the WORST of the WORST of systems, if you mesure it in quality of care, well, look at the statistics, well then the US isn't doing so dandy either.

Again, why not have firefighters work for private insurance companies or the Police work for private security insurancey companies. Think of the taxes for the love of god, THINK OF THE TAXES!

Oh, and BTW, according to your insurances, the military gets the weekend off.

Some of that might be due to the fact that we Americans live absurdly unhealthy lives. Banning fast food would do a lot more for the health of Americans than any .gov ran healthcare.

I disagree, i've seen people in France who don two bottles of wine every single night, i've seen people in Mexico that eat a shitload more than you could even order in McDonalds.

Your biggest problem is that you sit in your fucking chairs all fucking day and if the plumbing needs fixing you get someone to do it while you hand him a check from your set in your comforter.

Well that and fear, you are all so fucking scared all the fucking time, "i got a pimple on my arse, perhaps it's AIDS", "hon, i heard a truck go by, perhaps it's Al Quaida".

Join a fucking gym, if you're not too afraid that your consealed weapon (which you obviously need when exercising) will not fit your workout outfit.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Why can't everyone realize that every system will have to "ration." Free markets are the best system for allocating limited resources.

How do you figure?

Free markets are much like evolution. In one the successful survive, in the the strong.

Free markets ensure those most successful are most protected and provided for, thereby assuring a continuance of success. Our perverted system today attempts to give the most resources and care to the lowest common denominator, ensuring a continuance of failure.

You measure success in dollars. The real world is a little different. We can't all be billionaires, but that doesn't mean that most of us don't provide a necessary service.

If you measure it in cold hard cash, then the US system has the WORST of the WORST of systems, if you mesure it in quality of care, well, look at the statistics, well then the US isn't doing so dandy either.

Again, why not have firefighters work for private insurance companies or the Police work for private security insurancey companies. Think of the taxes for the love of god, THINK OF THE TAXES!

Oh, and BTW, according to your insurances, the military gets the weekend off.

Sometimes it takes a foriegn perspective to open peoples eyes!

The American sheeple have been brainwashed to believe that Insurance is a righteous capitlistic venture when it is as it always has been fucking snake oil, it's an illusion of security sold to the poor by the rich. You think rich people by insurance? Think again! It's no small coincidence that "Insurance" is the term long used by gangsters and mobsters to describe thier security services.

Although I think ALL insurance is bullshit and borderline immoral, I can tolerate it for Autos and personal property but Healthcare is a matter of life and death and the Insurance industry syphoning off billions of dollars that could be saving peoples lives is worse than evil.

Wanna make a bet that those evil rich bastards will make out better if a healthcare bill is passed?

Washington DC is owned by the rich and that includes our president. Yes it sucks but thats the way it is and I don't see US changing that anytime soon so you can rest assured that just about all bills going to the president for signature where written for (and probably by) those evil rich bastards.

Actually, it's owned by corporations mostly, because fucking lobbyists isn't illegal and once you do, well you know what we all do for pussy, don't you?

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Why can't everyone realize that every system will have to "ration." Free markets are the best system for allocating limited resources.

that isn't true.

hypothetical, spend a million to give a 90 year old rich guy a heart transplant or spend that million to give thousands of poor kids polio vaccines; which choice has the greater probability of improving the lives of the most people ?

absolutist free marketers might say that if it's the rich guy's million dollars that we should have a system that rewards his wealth at the expense of the poor kids.

However, the rich guy's million dollars, however he got it, is only worth a million dollars because he is part of a larger society, including government, that either permitted him to benefit from his ideas or labor, or protected his assets from devaluation. He couldn't do either of those things himself.

So there are certain things, everyone would say national defense, I would say health care too, that need to be rationed to some extent based on need, not by wealth, so that the society itself can be succesful and therefore the individuals in that society can succeed.

Your hypothetical really depends on the who the rich guy is and who the thousands of kids are. We don't know that and that's why I would let the market decide. We can centralize economic decision-making or leave it to the market. I think history shows that a regulated market does the best job of allocating resources.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Why can't everyone realize that every system will have to "ration." Free markets are the best system for allocating limited resources.

How do you figure?

Free markets are much like evolution. In one the successful survive, in the the strong.

Free markets ensure those most successful are most protected and provided for, thereby assuring a continuance of success. Our perverted system today attempts to give the most resources and care to the lowest common denominator, ensuring a continuance of failure.

You measure success in dollars. The real world is a little different. We can't all be billionaires, but that doesn't mean that most of us don't provide a necessary service.

If you measure it in cold hard cash, then the US system has the WORST of the WORST of systems, if you mesure it in quality of care, well, look at the statistics, well then the US isn't doing so dandy either.

Again, why not have firefighters work for private insurance companies or the Police work for private security insurancey companies. Think of the taxes for the love of god, THINK OF THE TAXES!

Oh, and BTW, according to your insurances, the military gets the weekend off.

Some of that might be due to the fact that we Americans live absurdly unhealthy lives. Banning fast food would do a lot more for the health of Americans than any .gov ran healthcare.

I disagree, i've seen people in France who don two bottles of wine every single night, i've seen people in Mexico that eat a shitload more than you could even order in McDonalds.

Your biggest problem is that you sit in your fucking chairs all fucking day and if the plumbing needs fixing you get someone to do it while you hand him a check from your set in your comforter.

Well that and fear, you are all so fucking scared all the fucking time, "i got a pimple on my arse, perhaps it's AIDS", "hon, i heard a truck go by, perhaps it's Al Quaida".

Join a fucking gym, if you're not too afraid that your consealed weapon (which you obviously need when exercising) will not fit your workout outfit.

You don't really disagree with my point you are just expanding on it. Our unhealthy diets play a large part but as I said earlier, we live extremely unhealthy lives . 1/4 of our population will spend 20 minutes driving around a parking lot to save 2 minutes of walking. A treadmill sold in the US has a much higher chance of becoming a place to hang clothes than being used to actually exercise.

While I have no clue to how much, that has to be a contributing factor to why we pay so much for healthcare. That and everyone I know brings their kids to the doctor for every little sniffle because it only costs 10 bucks.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Why can't everyone realize that every system will have to "ration." Free markets are the best system for allocating limited resources.

How do you figure?

Free markets are much like evolution. In one the successful survive, in the the strong.

Free markets ensure those most successful are most protected and provided for, thereby assuring a continuance of success. Our perverted system today attempts to give the most resources and care to the lowest common denominator, ensuring a continuance of failure.

You measure success in dollars. The real world is a little different. We can't all be billionaires, but that doesn't mean that most of us don't provide a necessary service.

If you measure it in cold hard cash, then the US system has the WORST of the WORST of systems, if you mesure it in quality of care, well, look at the statistics, well then the US isn't doing so dandy either.

Again, why not have firefighters work for private insurance companies or the Police work for private security insurancey companies. Think of the taxes for the love of god, THINK OF THE TAXES!

Oh, and BTW, according to your insurances, the military gets the weekend off.

Some of that might be due to the fact that we Americans live absurdly unhealthy lives. Banning fast food would do a lot more for the health of Americans than any .gov ran healthcare.

I disagree, i've seen people in France who don two bottles of wine every single night, i've seen people in Mexico that eat a shitload more than you could even order in McDonalds.

Your biggest problem is that you sit in your fucking chairs all fucking day and if the plumbing needs fixing you get someone to do it while you hand him a check from your set in your comforter.

Well that and fear, you are all so fucking scared all the fucking time, "i got a pimple on my arse, perhaps it's AIDS", "hon, i heard a truck go by, perhaps it's Al Quaida".

Join a fucking gym, if you're not too afraid that your consealed weapon (which you obviously need when exercising) will not fit your workout outfit.

You don't really disagree with my point you are just expanding on it. Our unhealthy diets play a large part but as I said earlier, we live extremely unhealthy lives . 1/4 of our population will spend 20 minutes driving around a parking lot to save 2 minutes of walking. A treadmill sold in the US has a much higher chance of becoming a place to hang clothes than being used to actually exercise.

While I have no clue to how much, that has to be a contributing factor to why we pay so much for healthcare. That and everyone I know brings their kids to the doctor for every little sniffle because it only costs 10 bucks.

Well, you're right on that one, most people in France walk when they are going less than five miles and i wouldn't consider taking the car through Sheffield when i can walk through it a lot faster... (yeah i know, everyone thinks that Sheffield is countryside, it's not, i live outside of it)

If i bought a fucking treadmill, i'd expect somone to shoot me, there is a world full of people out there, go running, talk to them. That's how i hooked up with a girl who looks like Salma Hayeks younger sister.

And i'm not a pretty man.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Ok, so private insurance has them. Now take the public option, underfund it, triple the projected costs, and add tons of overhead, waste, and fraud. And explain to me with a straight face the Public Option won't have them as well?

You're missing the point. The naysayers of the current proposals say the UHC plan creates "death panels", implying this is a new and horrible thing. In fact, if "death panel" is defined to be a denial of coverage for patients with hopeless medical conditions, then it's nothing new at all, and implying that it IS new is highly dishonest.

An HONEST statement would be:

"Like any other insurance program, under the UHC proposal coverage for some potentially life-saving or life-extending treatments might be denied if the expected benefit for a particular patient is judged to be extremely small."

 

[Sclamoz]

If i bought a fucking treadmill, i'd expect somone to shoot me, there is a world full of people out there, go running, talk to them. That's how i hooked up with a girl who looks like Salma Hayeks younger sister.

And i'm not a pretty man.

Yeaaaahhhh... the thing is people who don't know each other don't generally talk unless it's required (like a customer talking to a waiter for instance). At least around here in NE. Things like that vary wildly in the U.S. depending on where you are but that's the norm for most places I've been.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Sclamoz

If i bought a fucking treadmill, i'd expect somone to shoot me, there is a world full of people out there, go running, talk to them. That's how i hooked up with a girl who looks like Salma Hayeks younger sister.

And i'm not a pretty man.

Yeaaaahhhh... the thing is people who don't know each other don't generally talk unless it's required (like a customer talking to a waiter for instance). At least around here in NE. Things like that vary wildly in the U.S. depending on where you are but that's the norm for most places I've been.

So fucking start a conversation, are they speaking a language unknown to you?

I've never gotten that sheit, i pretty much talk to an anyone and most of the time... you know what, they open their mouths and produce words as to answer me.

If i had to run on a treadmill or had a home gym, i'd probably shoot MYSELF if no one else would.

I would be bored out of my fucking mind, go to a gym or go out running, even if it rains.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
And i'm not a pretty man.

You're British, so that goes without saying.

 

[Sclamoz]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Sclamoz

If i bought a fucking treadmill, i'd expect somone to shoot me, there is a world full of people out there, go running, talk to them. That's how i hooked up with a girl who looks like Salma Hayeks younger sister.

And i'm not a pretty man.

Yeaaaahhhh... the thing is people who don't know each other don't generally talk unless it's required (like a customer talking to a waiter for instance). At least around here in NE. Things like that vary wildly in the U.S. depending on where you are but that's the norm for most places I've been.

So fucking start a conversation, are they speaking a language unknown to you?

I've never gotten that sheit, i pretty much talk to an anyone and most of the time... you know what, they open their mouths and produce words as to answer me.

If i had to run on a treadmill or had a home gym, i'd probably shoot MYSELF if no one else would.

I would be bored out of my fucking mind, go to a gym or go out running, even if it rains.

Man you are angry. Maybe you should head down to the local pub and have yourself a pint or 2, it might help you relax a little.

I was really just pointing out cultural differences is all. striking up conversations out of the blue w/ strangers isn't considered a normal thing here. But of course this is Massachusetts, and we are a bunch of antisocial a-holes to begin w/ so I don't know.

And personally I would put posting on Anandtech to be higher on the list of suicide worthy things than home gym, but again that's just me.

 

[Vic]

There are no death panels in Oregon. Every patient denied coverage under Oregon's state health care plan is 100% free to go get their own insurance and/or pay for the cost of their care themselves. If that don't have that ability, then their situation would be no different than if there weren't a state plan at all.

 

[sportage]

Death Panels in California -- Why do the Free Marketers Ignore This?

BeeeCause republicans want you to believe stupid, and kill the public option.
Fact is, they care not about you facing a death panel, just as long as they get their $$$ from the industry.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
Isn't it amazing that the free market advocates get themselves so very worked up over death panels

You're confusing Republicans with fiscal conservatives.

Or even free market advocates. Republicans are neither of those.