Dear President Obama

[shortylickens]

I didnt vote for Bush, either time.

I voted libertarian.

Bush was a massive fuckwad. Obama is smarter than Bush, so the fact he's doing worse things tells me Obama is actually quite evil. He cant use the Dumb as an excuse for his bullshit.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Bush was a massive fuckwad. Obama is smarter than Bush, so the fact he's doing worse things tells me Obama is actually quite evil. He cant use the Dumb as an excuse for his bullshit.

How is Obama doing worse?

Did Obama lie to the public about WMDs in Iraq? No. Did Obama cause the death over several thousand Americans after lying about WMDs in Iraq? No. Did Obama cost the country trillions of dollars in Iraq? No.

It would be hard for Obama to do worse. So please tell us, what has Obama done that's worse than that? I'm no fan of Obama's, but I have a difficult time contemplating that he's worse than Bush.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

So why do you want the newcomers to stay while you kick-out the original population?

They developed the land and turned worthless desert and swamp into productive farmland. When they were attacked in an effort to commit genocide, they acquired the moral right to it (and arguably more land than just Israel itself).

Most of the surrounding Arab nations have already done that, but with the exception of Jordan, they are mostly now in Post Arab-spring chaos.

Obviously, not to the extent needed to take in all of the Palestinians.

I wouldn't have a problem with the United States offering to resettle all of the Israelis in the United States, cutting out a state for them.

That contradicts your earlier statement, but,
They would not be noticed in New Jersey.

What is the contradiction? I said that I personally wouldn't have a problem if the United States resettled the Israelis in the US.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

If someone wanted your house without buying it from you, would you let them have a few rooms, "just for a quiet life"?

Your premise is mistaken. Several hundred thousand Jews were already on the land prior to WWII. They purchased wasteland from the Arabs. Also, much of that (not productive farm) land was swamp and desert before the Jews terraformed it. The Jews did far, far more with the land than the Arabs ever did.

To learn more, read these two historical fiction novels and then take what you know about Muslims and Jews and ask whether or not it seems plausible:

Exodus

The Haj

 

[WhipperSnapper]

I don't know what would be the case if Hamas didn't exist. Probably some sort of resolution would be possible. But in reality they do exist. Maybe that will change. Maybe it will change by genocide. I have no idea what will happen. I believe that Jakalas offered a reason why he believes that genocide is justified. I believe the Germans felt equally justified.

Can you tell us what the Germans' justifications were? Did German Jews kidnap and murder Germans? Did they launch rockets at Germans? Other than being some of the world's greatest scientists, what do you think the Jews did to the Germans?

 

[squarecut1]

OP - your mistake is assuming that that politicians (at least the mainstream ones) somewhat resemble half decent human beings with instincts like compassion, sympathy, fairness, justice and so on. If they were anything close to like that, they would not be successful in politics. This is the sad reality of politics.

 

[Victorian Gray]

How is Obama doing worse?

Did Obama lie to the public about WMDs in Iraq? No. Did Obama cause the death over several thousand Americans after lying about WMDs in Iraq? No. Did Obama cost the country trillions of dollars in Iraq? No.

It would be hard for Obama to do worse. So please tell us, what has Obama done that's worse than that? I'm no fan of Obama's, but I have a difficult time contemplating that he's worse than Bush.

Expansion of domestic spying and cracking down even harder on whistle-blowing? Expansion of extrajudicial assassination? There's 3.

 

[squarecut1]

I feel bad for all the people who got interested in politics for the first time, voted for the first time, due to Obama's hope and change message. I personally know a few. They genuinely thought he was someone different. Needless to say, such people have been disillusioned from politics for life now.

 

[Exophase]

What if each of the various Arab nations agreed to take a couple hundred thousand in?

Plenty of Arab nations already have a ton of Palestinian refugees that they're already not allowing citizenship (except for Jordan)

 

[Caravaggio]

They developed the land and turned worthless desert and swamp into productive farmland.

This is the standard Zionist myth-history. The truth is that the coastal land has always been valued as productive farmland since Roman times

When they were attacked in an effort to commit genocide, they acquired the moral right to it (and arguably more land than just Israel itself).

Please, that is a complete inversion of history. David Ben Gurion's diaries show that the forced removal of the majority Arab population by the Jewish settlers and Shoah refugees was necessary for a viable Zionist state. At no time upto 1947 were Jews more than a third of the population of Palestine. They became the majority in 1948, because of systematic, planned ethnic cleansing and terrorism by the Irgun, Hagana and the Stern gang. In 1850 the few Jews in Palestine made-up less than 5% of the population, mostly centred on Jerusalem.
For the truth, read "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" by Israeli prof Ilan Pappe (2006)

I said that I personally wouldn't have a problem if the United States resettled the Israelis in the US.

Nor would I. The US refused to take in large numbers of Jewish refugees after 1945 because America was fairly anti-semitic and politicians feared a backlash. They cherry-picked a few intellectuals. Theo Adorno studied American Anti-semitism in his book "The Authoritarian Personality".

 

[Caravaggio]

To learn more, read these two historical fiction novels and then take what you know about Muslims and Jews and ask whether or not it seems plausible:

Exodus

The Haj

Why on earth would I read those novels when I have real peer-reviewed history books to rely on, many written by Jewish authors who have the courage to set out the truth, not a sloppy, sanitised hagiography of Israel's actual origin?

It is most revealing that the texts that have formed your opinions are novels. You would not reference a novel in a PhD thesis in academic history, would you?

I am not setting Muslim against Jew. Both religions have much in common and both are hopelessly muddled and inconsistent.

If you want the truth about these events read Pappe's book mentioned in my post immediately above, and "From Coexistence to Conquest" by Victor Kattan (2009)

I am not wasting my time debating the contents of novels which have been shown to be historically invalid years ago.

 

[Caravaggio]

OP - your mistake is assuming that that politicians (at least the mainstream ones) somewhat resemble half decent human beings with instincts like compassion, sympathy, fairness, justice and so on. If they were anything close to like that, they would not be successful in politics. This is the sad reality of politics.

It is painful to admit it, but your cynicism is often justified. Many start with good intent but become corrupted.
Four years ago a study showed that the majority of British Members of Parliament were fiddling their expenses on a grand scale. Seems to support your case.

 

[Pray To Jesus]

Israel, a little client state with a population of 7 million or so is allowed nukes yet 70 million Iranians must go without.

God want it to happen. Life is not fair.

 

[Caravaggio]

God want it to happen. Life is not fair.

I have just prayed to Jesus, as you advised, and He has immediately communicated back to me with a sign saying
"Iron Dome for Gaza, now!"

I think that personal revelation to me demonstrates that he is both merciful and deeply interested in fairness and justice.

The sign is gone now, and I cannot prove that it was not an hallucinogenic vision, but as you believe in miracles too, I am confident that you will take my word for it?

He confirmed that he is both beneficent and active in the world, but has a lot on at the moment and is working through his list of 'things to do' in a fair and systematic way.

 

[Moonbeam]

Can you tell us what the Germans' justifications were? Did German Jews kidnap and murder Germans? Did they launch rockets at Germans? Other than being some of the world's greatest scientists, what do you think the Jews did to the Germans?

Oh no, they were much worse in the German's eyes. They were a threat to the pure Aryan race. They weren't just a danger to Germany, but to a whole race of superiors. Try to get real.

 

[Moonbeam]

God want it to happen. Life is not fair.

What you mean is that you believe that God is an asshole. I think your god is just a projection of who you are and is just as unreal. Your god is a self delusion.

 

[Moonbeam]

Israel should exist, because it is full of people who call themselves Israelis.

I didn't say it shouldn't exist. I asked why it should. The UN creating it only means it exists because somebody had the power to create it over the objections of others. I am asking for a moral reason to justify one group being given the land others were living on. This has created a nightmare and I am asking why it's justified.

 

[shortylickens]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...bes-turned-blind-eye-human-rights-record.html


Still dont hate. I just like him even less than I did last week.