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Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: palehorse
Invading Iraq was a mistake.

That said, we're there now. A premature withdrawal that throws the entire region into total chaos would be an even larger mistake. Doing so would be a huge slap in the face of every soldier who has sacrificed their time, health, or life, for the freedom of the Iraqi people. Only then would our losses be in vein.

Don't let that happen.
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For the next 50 years you could repeat the same thing, because Iraq will never be a peacefully coexisting place.

The mistake remains today. We cannot and will not ever be able to fix Iraq. PERIOD.

100,000s Iraqis dead, 2 million+ Iraqis have emigrated..
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I simply disagree. We're making more and more progress over there every single day.

At one point, in the next couple of years, Iraq will be ready to take care of itself. Only then can we leave in good conscience.

PERIOD.
 
Originally posted by: palehorse
I simply disagree. We're making more and more progress over there every single day.

At one point, in the next couple of years, Iraq will be ready to take care of itself. Only then can we leave in good conscience.

PERIOD.
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Out of curiosity, how many years will it take to fix the Sunni-Shi'ah relationship? Or the Islamic-Kurdish? Or the Arab-Persian?

Those three are likely the largest destabilizing factors in the region. Given how successful the US has been in the last 200+ years of fixing religion and race issues (with racial effigies popping up, religious smear campaigns, and so on), how many more days of progress will it take in this conflict that's gone on for 1300+ years?

That's not to say I feel we ought to turn our backs on the region, but more that the time frames of days or years is disingenuous given the magnitude of the problem. Decades or centuries is much more likely before we see stability and peace in the region of Iraq.
 
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Jeff7
If we're doing great things there, where else shall we send our army to "spread freedom" by force?
Is it our right to do that?

Maybe some other nation should get it into their heads that the US is not a sufficiently free country, and invade and occupy us until we are at their requisite level of freedom. Should that happen, we would welcome them as "liberators," yes?

The ends do not automatically justify the means.



Originally posted by: jpeyton
Why hasn't McCain invited this guy to stump with him on the campaign?
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Hmm, I smells me a troll 'round these parts.
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Call me biased but I wouldn't be here today if the US didn't spread freedom to my old country by force.
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Funny - I don't remember us invading Douchebagistan.
 
Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Jeff7
If we're doing great things there, where else shall we send our army to "spread freedom" by force?
Is it our right to do that?

Maybe some other nation should get it into their heads that the US is not a sufficiently free country, and invade and occupy us until we are at their requisite level of freedom. Should that happen, we would welcome them as "liberators," yes?

The ends do not automatically justify the means.



Originally posted by: jpeyton
Why hasn't McCain invited this guy to stump with him on the campaign?
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Hmm, I smells me a troll 'round these parts.
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Call me biased but I wouldn't be here today if the US didn't spread freedom to my old country by force.
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Funny - I don't remember us invading Douchebagistan.
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
 
Just another overly patriotic brainwashed individual. Sad that he had to lose his leg b/c of a greedy dipsht president.
 
That guy really hits all the main issues. He definitely has my vote.

I am kidding. But then, I cannot vote anyway 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Why hasn't McCain invited this guy to stump with him on the campaign?
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Troll.
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how's that a troll?
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lols, you don't get the joke? 🙂

EDIT: And yes it's an awful one. I didn't chuckle not one bit :|
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oh, ok, hehe. It was that post...too many threads, too many posts, too little time.
 
Originally posted by: L00PY
Originally posted by: palehorse
I simply disagree. We're making more and more progress over there every single day.

At one point, in the next couple of years, Iraq will be ready to take care of itself. Only then can we leave in good conscience.

PERIOD.
Click to expand...
Out of curiosity, how many years will it take to fix the Sunni-Shi'ah relationship? Or the Islamic-Kurdish? Or the Arab-Persian?

Those three are likely the largest destabilizing factors in the region. Given how successful the US has been in the last 200+ years of fixing religion and race issues (with racial effigies popping up, religious smear campaigns, and so on), how many more days of progress will it take in this conflict that's gone on for 1300+ years?

That's not to say I feel we ought to turn our backs on the region, but more that the time frames of days or years is disingenuous given the magnitude of the problem. Decades or centuries is much more likely before we see stability and peace in the region of Iraq.
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Our goal is not to "fix" those issues. Our goal is simply to ensure that the Iraqi government is strong and capable enough to address those issues themselves. (Leadership, laws, police, well-trained standing army that is large enough to defend itself from external aggression and terrorism, etc).

In those we are making great progress...
 
Ugh, Its times like these that I really hate the politicians in office and their corporate counterparts. They use soldiers and their sacrifices as mere pawns to further their own selfish goals. That video was pure sensationalism. Freedom in liberty in Iraq was never the goal of the U.S, just a mere facade to garnish support. The idea of liberty through force--what a joke.

 
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