Dear Judge Kavanaugh

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I have no idea how I would get this to his eyes, particularly ahead of tomorrow's testimony, but perhaps there is a way. I would still like to hear other's opinions of this.

Dear Judge Kavanaugh:

I do not know what happened many years ago at certain high school and college parties. I have heard enough to find it plausible that you have past actions for which cause you shame.

I also see a large body of evidence suggesting these happenings, if true, are confined to the distant past and have not prevented you from having an honorable career and life. While it fights our fundamental human inclinations to somehow reconcile and accept that a person who has committed acts of sexual violence may also be a good person, I believe that this is in fact the case.

As things stand, you may yet survive these accusations, be confirmed to the Supreme Court, and go on to have an honorable and very influential tenure on the nation's highest court. Regardless of your judicial success and acclaim, I am certain that if I am correct that you have committed assaults and are also a good person, then I know no measure of success will ever satisfy you. You will die having lived a life perpetually running away from your shame.

Life has a funny way of presenting opportunities, and I'd like to draw your attention to one. You are in a position to become a leader for a different kind of justice. You may become an ally for the immense suffering of the tens of millions of people in the United States who have been victims of sexual assault, most of whom suffer in complete silence, choosing also to run away and hide from their shame. Your choice to come clean and become an advocate for victims could erase that shame and instantly validate the lives of millions of people. Perhaps it would be worth it if you could give that gift to only one.

Right now, America needs a leader with integrity -- someone who will use their past errors to propel the nation instead of entrench problems we'd rather not admit exist. Taking a stand for victims is an enormous gamble. You would certainly lose a chance to sit on the Supreme Court. You would infuriate and humiliate President Trump. You would be treated with unfair spite. But if the gamble pays off, you would do more for this nation in one day than you could ever accomplish on the Supreme Court. And you would not be betting on yourself. You would be betting on America. If you truly love Her, should you not take the bet?
 

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It's based on the assumption that he's guilty of sexual assault and possibly rape. I don't see him ruining his marriage, his career, his entire life, by admitting to a crime that he can't be prosecuted for.
What if he's actually innocent? Would you admit to a crime that you didn't commit and can't be charged with?
 
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ivwshane

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It's based on the assumption that he's guilty of sexual assault and possibly rape. I don't see him running his marriage, his career, his entire life, by admitting to a crime that he can't be prosecuted for.
What if he's actually innocent? Would you admit to a crime that you didn't commit and can't be charged with?

If he's innocent and people have, under oath, committed perjury they should be in jail.

Now if I was being accused of such things, I'd want an independent investigation (fbi) to investigate the matter and clear my name. A lot of people aren't given such an opportunity. Don't you wonder why the president hasn't called for such an investigation if it would clear his pick?
 
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I am certain that if I am correct that you have committed assaults and are also a good person, then I know no measure of success will ever satisfy you. You will die having lived a life perpetually running away from your shame.

LMAO.

You know this guy was hand picked to strip women of their reproductive freedoms, right?
 

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If he's innocent and people have, under oath, committed perjury they should be in jail.

Now if I was being accused of such things, I'd want an independent investigation (fbi) to investigate the matter and clear my name. A lot of people aren't given such an opportunity. Don't you wonder why the president hasn't called for such an investigation if it would clear his pick?


How would the FBI clear his name? How would they prove either or both are lying or not?

Uncle Joe's take on he FBI investigating a sexual assault allegation: https://youtu.be/htvr9XR1qGE
 
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LMAO.

You know this guy was hand picked to strip women of their reproductive freedoms, right?


Which is why I don’t support him, but I do understand his stance. People advocating "right to life" aren’t evil people (based on just that anyways), they just have a different viewpoint of the morality of abortion than you or I do. Trying to paint them as bad people for holding that belief seems like a lazy approach to the topic.
 

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"Dear Judge Kavanaugh,

I know you probably raped a bunch of women, perjured yourself in front of the Senate, cruelly lied about sleeping with a classmate in your high school yearbook, and told absurd lies about high school parties rather than admit to even mildly delinquent behavior. But sir, I appeal to your better nature..."

Haha
 
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Which is why I don’t support him, but I do understand his stance. People advocating "right to life" aren’t evil people (based on just that anyways), they just have a different viewpoint of the morality of abortion than you or I do. Trying to paint them as bad people for holding that belief seems like a lazy approach to the topic.
We can hold that they are bad people for their willingness to vote for any scumbag claiming to be "pro life". There are millions of dead people who would be alive today if not for the votes of the "pro life" folks.
 

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Which is why I don’t support him, but I do understand his stance. People advocating "right to life" aren’t evil people (based on just that anyways), they just have a different viewpoint of the morality of abortion than you or I do. Trying to paint them as bad people for holding that belief seems like a lazy approach to the topic.

That's right to birth, after that GFY.
 
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It's based on the assumption that he's guilty of sexual assault and possibly rape. I don't see him running his marriage, his career, his entire life, by admitting to a crime that he can't be prosecuted for.
What if he's actually innocent? Would you admit to a crime that you didn't commit and can't be charged with?

If course he shouldn't confess to acts he didn't commit. Why would that make this letter invalid? The opening sentence is that I don't know what happened. And the call to action rests on the words "if". The letter is of no consequence is he is not guilty. But if you think there is a chance he is, what do you think of my words in that case?
 

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If course he shouldn't confess to acts he didn't commit. Why would that make this letter invalid? The opening sentence is that I don't know what happened. And the call to action rests on the words "if". The letter is of no consequence is he is not guilty. But if you think there is a chance he is, what do you think of my words in that case?
This is an assumption of guilt. If he didn't do it, there is nothing to "come clean" about.
"Your choice to come clean and become an advocate for victims could erase that shame and instantly validate the lives of millions of people. Perhaps it would be worth it if you could give that gift to only one."

I'm very up in the air about the entire thing. I gut tells me that Mrs.Ford honestly believes the events transpired as she claims, but that doesn't mean it's accurate. The second woman seems to be very foggy on her entire story. The new accuser I haven't heard much about.
I honestly don't know how I want this to end up. I don't want a sexual predator on the supreme court, but if we decide that an accusation is all it takes to halt a presidential appointment, there will never be another one.
 
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This is an assumption of guilt. If he didn't do it, there is nothing to "come clean" about.
"Your choice to come clean and become an advocate for victims could erase that shame and instantly validate the lives of millions of people. Perhaps it would be worth it if you could give that gift to only one."

I'm very up in the air about the entire thing. I gut tells me that Mrs.Ford honestly believes the events transpired as she claims, but that doesn't mean it's accurate. The second woman seems to be very foggy on her entire story. The new accuser I haven't heard much about.
I honestly don't know how I want this to end up. I don't want a sexual predator on the supreme court, but if we decide that an accusation is all it takes to halt a presidential appointment, there will never be another one.
Good grief, Greenman, what about if he did do it, what do you think of his suggestion. It’s just such a simple question.
 

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I regard the OP’s suggestion to include high moral idealism and I really hate it when people shit on it. As it is not for us to assume the moral certainty to judge others, I see no reason to say that Kavanaugh could not reach such heights. Sure I have my doubts, but to me moral greatness can be seen in a person’s aim, and intercept, here, has aimed high in my opinion.

Edit. Replace intercept above, a probable auto spelling correction, with interchange.
 
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This is an assumption of guilt. If he didn't do it, there is nothing to "come clean" about.
"Your choice to come clean and become an advocate for victims could erase that shame and instantly validate the lives of millions of people. Perhaps it would be worth it if you could give that gift to only one."

I'm very up in the air about the entire thing. I gut tells me that Mrs.Ford honestly believes the events transpired as she claims, but that doesn't mean it's accurate. The second woman seems to be very foggy on her entire story. The new accuser I haven't heard much about.
I honestly don't know how I want this to end up. I don't want a sexual predator on the supreme court, but if we decide that an accusation is all it takes to halt a presidential appointment, there will never be another one.

Your insistence that every single sentence be qualified with if and projection that my words assume guilt make me believe that you are not at all up in the air about the whole thing.
 

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If he's innocent and people have, under oath, committed perjury they should be in jail.

Now if I was being accused of such things, I'd want an independent investigation (fbi) to investigate the matter and clear my name. A lot of people aren't given such an opportunity. Don't you wonder why the president hasn't called for such an investigation if it would clear his pick?


I don’t believe any of the accusers have testified “under oath.” They may have made legal statements to attorneys but that does not carry the same legal consequences as being under oath.

That said, why not send your letter to the judicial committee members. They might read it during the sessions.
 
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Greenman

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Good grief, Greenman, what about if he did do it, what do you think of his suggestion. It’s just such a simple question.
I got a little hung up on the implied guilt.
The reality is that if he did it, and he really is an honorable man, he should step up to the plate and do whatever he can to make it right. I doubt he would ever be accepted as a champion of the victims, but he could earn some redemption, perhaps even forgiveness.
 

HomerJS

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Look up "Conscientious of guilt" and ask yourself based on their actions since the accusation, who is telling the truth.
 

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I also see a large body of evidence suggesting these happenings, if true, are confined to the distant past and have not prevented you from having an honorable career and life.

Please. It has obviously carried over to his professional life after high school and college. He has never been impartial, and it will undoubtedly remain so.
 
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I got a little hung up on the implied guilt.
The reality is that if he did it, and he really is an honorable man, he should step up to the plate and do whatever he can to make it right. I doubt he would ever be accepted as a champion of the victims, but he could earn some redemption, perhaps even forgiveness.

No if this were how things happened I'm not sure he would be accepted as champion of victims or earn redemption or be forgiven. I do think he would be a champion of victims whether recognized for it or not.
 

Greenman

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Your insistence that every single sentence be qualified with if and projection that my words assume guilt make me believe that you are not at all up in the air about the whole thing.
I am very up in the air over it. I nit pick the language used because it matters. The continued assumption of guilt becomes the fact of guilt.
This story has no happy ending, no one is going to walk away untainted, that troubles me.
I also wonder about who's next if Kavanaugh gets dumped. Trump being Trump, we could end up with Roy More on the bench, think about that one for a while.
 
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No if this were how things happened I'm not sure he would be accepted as champion of victims or earn redemption or be forgiven. I do think he would be a champion of victims whether recognized for it or not.
Beyond all of that, it would be the right thing to do, and doing the right thing always feels good, even when the personal cost is high.