Dear Google...I want my refresh button back where it was

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Got the new but now overplayed "flat" update for Chrome pushed to my phone. I can live with it although forum rendering is horrible. But the worst thing is that they took the refresh button off the address bar and put it under a menu. Now to refresh a page you have to scroll on a page to get the address bar to show up, the tap the very small menu, then click refresh. Lame.

Combine this with the gimpy keypad while in calls that won't respond until you click it three times to enter numbers while on a call and I'm just growing very annoyed with extra clicks for things I do dozens of times a day.

My phone isn't getting smarter.
 

Red Storm

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It does appear that refreshing is now an extra tap, which is an odd choice.

Not seeing these keypad issues.
 

WelshBloke

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Ha! I have a superior phone where the menu button is conveniently placed for my thumb.

/smugface
 

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It does appear that refreshing is now an extra tap, which is an odd choice.

Not seeing these keypad issues.

It's in the dial app. You can override the dialer with a 3rd party to dial the phone(which I've done) but it still goes back to the standard one when you have to punch things in on the keypad (extension/meeting number/ect). By default it's the keypad option is enabled, but it won't display. You have to hit it once to turn it off. Then again to turn it back on. On my call weeks I may have to do that 10-15 times a day. It's just very frustrating. Especially when it worked fine before the kit kat update.

Overall just getting annoyed with the little tweaks being made to android and interested to see just how the hardware and iOS8 shakes out on the iPhone6.
 

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Overall just getting annoyed with the little tweaks being made to android and interested to see just how the hardware and iOS8 shakes out on the iPhone6.

From one locked system to a more locked system... I find mobile devices irritating. They're all geared to give companies control at the expense of the user. I like my S5 ok for what it is, but it makes me angry that the warranty is voided if I have the gumption to do something insane, like put the O/S I want on it.

I want to phones completely unlocked, and free to develop on, just like x86. The fact that the device is pocketable, and makes phone calls isn't a significant distinction from a desktop machine.
 

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It's not a big deal on my devices with dedicated menu buttons... :D
 

Raduque

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But... I thought Google's design and interface decisions were perfect and anybody who questions them is the problem?
 

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But... I thought Google's design and interface decisions were perfect and anybody who questions them is the problem?

How on earth would you come to think that?

I know you're being facetious, but this is just too far away from reality that it makes no sense. If it's about Apple, I could see it, but Google? No way.
 
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How on earth would you come to think that?

I know you're being facetious, but this is just too far away from reality that it makes no sense. If it's about Apple, I could see it, but Google? No way.

it's worse with their latest "Material" design guidelines applied to the Play Store, as if I
a). work on desks with construction paper representations of all my paperwork
b). have some intuitive understanding of how things slide, uncover, and cover each other elastically when I move them around which I can
c). take with me to my phone experience and go OH OF COURSE THIS IS HOW IT WORKS

Doesn't help that they hide the useful information like date-last-updated or apk-size behind this fancy sliding animation that requires user interaction, instead of directly on the app page.

They need to put someone anal about this stuff like me in charge with the authority to override stupid decisions like closing action-overflow-bar in Chrome because you clicked back/forward once. If you only wanted to go back one, you would have dragged down from the menu, not tapped it. If you opened it, you are going to want to go back or forward more than once, so leave it open while the previous page renders in the background. Oh? That's not the page? Back once more. And again. There we go. Close action bar.

The last UI design that was useful was Windows2000's/XP's Windows Explorer. Carryover from IBM's OS/2 designers, the keyboard shortcuts to navigate are a complete breeze. F6 changes focus consistently in a consistent manner, and bounces between the file/folder selection pane and the folder-path bar twice so that when you are holding it down and miss it due to auto repeat, you press F6 once more and it's up there at the folder-path bar again. No wasted space, and always showed you the filesize in the status bar.

vs. Windows 7 where there's a fat, 3 lines high status bar that tells you THIS IS AN MP3!!!! but doesn't tell you bitrate or filesize, the two things you care about with MP3s.

In short, nothing is power user friendly anymore

So far Google has implemented about 2/3rds of my "Send Feedback" UI suggestions. The most important one so far has been reversing the Google Maps zoom in/zoom out mapping, it used to be double-tap-hold-drag-up to zoom in on the map. This makes little sense when you're zooming in, as your finger is covering the middle of the screen, the part of the screen displaying the most relevant information you're looking for-- the smaller streets that weren't being rendered, the name of the street, i.e. things you're usually looking for when you zoom in. When you're zooming out, you care about the big picture, these details are not important, you just want a rough idea of where you are in the city. About a month after I suggested that the next update had the suggestion implemented, so that it's double-tap-hold-drag-down to zoom in-- removing your finger from blocking the view while zooming in.

However, they still haven't increased zoom in/out sensitivity for this double-tap-hold method-- they must live in a smallish city-- the Yelp app got it right, you can go from almost fully zoomed to complete-city-view in one wipe; I have to paw at Maps about 3 times to get the view I want. Not to mention that something like this should be a consistent experience framework-wide-- should not differ between apps.

Oh and the rendering is still really glitchy. It used to be so much smoother in Maps v6.

And after navigating, it keeps taking your maps view back to isometric mode with direction-of-travel used to orient the map, not True North, and double tapping the compass doesn't always bring it back to True North, sometimes prefers compass-north. I understand this for Navigation, but nobody who looks at a map looks at it at either a 120 degree angle or rotated 90 degrees when they're trying to find either a destination or their current location in relation to destination. Doing so is divergent from the whole Material Design UI recommendation.

Ugh. It makes me want to die
 
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Raduque

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How on earth would you come to think that?

I know you're being facetious, but this is just too far away from reality that it makes no sense. If it's about Apple, I could see it, but Google? No way.

Yes, I'm being facetious, but isn't that what the Nexus/AOSP fanboy argument boils down to?

Note that I'm not calling anybody a fanboy, but most of them uphold Google's design decisions as the Holy Grail of phone UIs, and everybody else is wrong.
 

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Yes, I'm being facetious, but isn't that what the Nexus/AOSP fanboy argument boils down to?

Note that I'm not calling anybody a fanboy, but most of them uphold Google's design decisions as the Holy Grail of phone UIs, and everybody else is wrong.

Well it's good when they make good decisions, and I've preferred most of the changes they have made.

I too dislike this removal of the refresh and stop button from the address bar. I love the Material design language, but I hate that they moved the button. It is stupid, very stupid.
 

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Yes, I'm being facetious, but isn't that what the Nexus/AOSP fanboy argument boils down to?

Note that I'm not calling anybody a fanboy, but most of them uphold Google's design decisions as the Holy Grail of phone UIs, and everybody else is wrong.

no, the nexus/aosp argument boils down to: google's UI is usually better than samsung's (or whoever's), and using a nexus device makes it easier to change what you don't like.


using touchwiz would be like using a consumer PC from the height of the bloatware days, but instead of the evolved XP user interface, you're still using the win 95 UI from a decade earlier. only more confusing.
 
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jacktesterson

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Got the new but now overplayed "flat" update for Chrome pushed to my phone. I can live with it although forum rendering is horrible. But the worst thing is that they took the refresh button off the address bar and put it under a menu. Now to refresh a page you have to scroll on a page to get the address bar to show up, the tap the very small menu, then click refresh. Lame.

Combine this with the gimpy keypad while in calls that won't respond until you click it three times to enter numbers while on a call and I'm just growing very annoyed with extra clicks for things I do dozens of times a day.

My phone isn't getting smarter.

Its been this way for a while if you use Chrome Beta.

The refresh button change is annoying but its one extra tap. Not the end of the world.

I agree with both points but I don't use my phone as a phone enough haha.
 
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swilli89

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It was extremely misguided to remove the refresh button and bury it a menu. Removed functionality without adding anything..
 

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This pissed me off this weekend when Chrome updated. Could be wrong, but I think refreshing is a key component of the browser experience.
 
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It was extremely misguided to remove the refresh button and bury it a menu. Removed functionality without adding anything..

Or maintained functionality while making the UI cleaner and more space efficient.

See how that subjective argument works both ways?
 

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Lately I do like a lot of the ui changes, but I do agree removing some functionality is pointless and counter productive.
 

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My friends who have nexus phones have a refresh button. I have a Samsung s4, no refresh button :(
 
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Or maintained functionality while making the UI cleaner and more space efficient.

See how that subjective argument works both ways?
You could make it go the other way, but its not necessarily accurate. I think far more people use the refresh button than there were complainers about how cluttered it was having that refresh button.
 

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Heh. Glad to see I'm not alone :p

I also noticed that with the update the address bar itself now feels twice as tall. Instead of having just enough room to display the URL, there's enough blank space above and below it to damn near display two rows of text in there should you shift it up or down. In a space limited display on a mobile device, they could have freed up at least another row or two of text on a page by squeezing that back down.