Dear Civilians,

[jpeyton]

Who was the asshole who penned this drivel?

 

[Format C:]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Who was the asshole who penned this drivel?

From this end it looks as though it has your name by it.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Format C:

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Who was the asshole who penned this drivel?

From this end it looks as though it has your name by it.

Now what purpose did that insult serve, eh?

Have you *ever* posted a non-insulting message here in P&N? Ever?

 

[Gen Stonewall]

I pay equal respect to every man/woman no matter what job they have, we're all a part of society and we all make the world go around. The doctor who save life, the teacher who educate our children and the farmer who grow our crops. Without those we would not have anything to fight for. So if this is about treating eachother with respect I agree that it's a good thing, if it's about treating soldiers with more respect than others I don't.

Being a soldier is an incredibly demanding job that carries a high risk of death; I certainly would respect a soldier more than I would many other people (like spoiled Hollywood stars).

 

[Orsorum]

One of the freedoms guaranteed in this great nation is freedom of speech. When a person posts such statements about physically harming others because of words, it greatly saddens me. It is testament to those who believe in rational debate, patience, self-control and respect for human thought and opinion that the statement supposedly written by Mr. Dennis O'Brien, USMC, is not taken as a call to action.

Freedom of speech and of thought comes at the expense of having to hear opinions and ideas which are repulsive; to ensure that right of expression of those most noble of ideals we must also ensure it for the worst.

 

[Format C:]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Format C:

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Who was the asshole who penned this drivel?

From this end it looks as though it has your name by it.

Now what purpose did that insult serve, eh?

Have you *ever* posted a non-insulting message here in P&N? Ever?

What purpose does any of your daily multiple insults serve oh master of the con job?

If all you are going to do is post insults and flames then go elsewhere and do it.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Orsorum
One of the freedoms guaranteed in this great nation is freedom of speech. When a person posts such statements about physically harming others because of words, it greatly saddens me. It is testament to those who believe in rational debate, patience, self-control and respect for human thought and opinion that the statement supposedly written by Mr. Dennis O'Brien, USMC, is not taken as a call to action.

Freedom of speech and of thought comes at the expense of having to hear opinions and ideas which are repulsive; to ensure that right of expression of those most noble of ideals we must also ensure it for the worst.

Eloquently spoken :beer: I presume he is a "man of the cloth" as indicated by his title "Father" correct? If so, it would seem that you'd better be willing to turn the other cheek as the good book says, because the Father is planning to slap you silly! :roll: Not the loving, compassionate, "love the sinner, hate the sin" advice from the disciples of Jesus I was hoping for

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Brutuskend

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
Heil Hitler!

Wow, this is a strange forum.

Now I see why I usually stay out of here. :shocked:

we've been military rah rah for like over 3 years now. its getting tiresome. we don't need a reminder.

 

[naddicott]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
I am not going to get into such a she said - she said situation. One example only.

Look at the uproar about the prison.
The soldiers were doing what was ordered/requested and getting crucified.
They are being blamed for the polices and orders taht were passed down.

US soldiers are duty bound to disobey an unlawful order by official military policy, many soldiers at that prison aparently did just that. That policy is a change from the vietnam era when the training was still follow orders without question.

I have enormous respect for the whistleblower in that case, plenty of respect for the brave men and women unassociated with such conduct, and even a little respect for those who carried out "gray area" type abuses - as that is a very difficult situation for an individual to be in, and people make mistakes. The individual(s) who carried out the act(s) of sodomy on the other hand, or beat prisoners to death - sorry, no respect from me.

That doesn't absolve the order givers from their share of responsibility, however.

The men and women in the military are also defending my right to say what I want to say (and other non-violent activities) without being assaulted for holding my beliefs. Veterans or not - anyone literally "kicking ass" for many of the offenses in the OP should be prosecuted for assault. Such violence disgraces the freedoms our veterans proportedly fought to protect.

 

[CanOWorms]

I don't put soldiers up on pedestals and worship them all as heroes. I don't believe in that romanticized vision. I have more respect for doctors, lawyers (some of them), engineers, scientists, etc. that make society better and have more of an impact nowadays. I think the best thing you can do for this country is to be educated. Maybe being a soldier and dying is the greatest personal sacrifice you can make, but I definitely don't think it's the best thing you can do for the country.

 

[PrinceofWands]

As a veteran I have earned the right to say:

Some good things in there...along with a LOT OF COMPLETE BS!

Semi-cute ass-kicking theme though.

 

[dbk]

Originally posted by: lozina
Someone oughta kick this guy's ass for desecrating the flag

So, will I be reading about your attempted ass-kicking of Pres. Bush any time soon, Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, Sergeant, USMC?

:beer:

 

[cquark]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn Sorry, after that comment I don't believe I can take anything you may post from now on seriously.

I don't see the point of such a content free post. Of course, if you can come up with a counterargument, then you might have a point.

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
I am not going to get into such a she said - she said situation. One example only.

Look at the uproar about the prison.
The soldiers were doing what was ordered/requested and getting crucified.
They are being blamed for the polices and orders taht were passed down.

And the "fun" thing is that it was the war supporters who crucified the few single soldiers while it was those against the the war who attacked the system. Now who show most respect to the soldiers?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: biostud666

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
I am not going to get into such a she said - she said situation. One example only.

Look at the uproar about the prison.
The soldiers were doing what was ordered/requested and getting crucified.
They are being blamed for the polices and orders taht were passed down.

And the "fun" thing is that it was the war supporters who crucified the few single soldiers while it was those against the the war who attacked the system. Now who show most respect to the soldiers?

The "supporters" have to cut the losses before those who approved the methods become exposed.

ie. Sacrificial lamb

 

[chrisms]

An ass kicking for a nation bashing leaves the whole world Nazis.

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: biostud666

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
I am not going to get into such a she said - she said situation. One example only.

Look at the uproar about the prison.
The soldiers were doing what was ordered/requested and getting crucified.
They are being blamed for the polices and orders taht were passed down.

And the "fun" thing is that it was the war supporters who crucified the few single soldiers while it was those against the the war who attacked the system. Now who show most respect to the soldiers?

The "supporters" have to cut the losses before those who approved the methods become exposed.

ie. Sacrificial lamb

exactly, so it's the system that allows and promotes these things that's wrong not the common soldier. So we have to hold those who are in the top of the chain responsible.

 

[AnitaPeterson]

The 'father' is a little too willing to kick ass... hmmm... makes me wonder if he's not a Catholic priest... Oh, and BTW, his (whatever you call it) is the best argument for separation of powers in the state and having a civilian in charge of the military... just look at the self-serving mush!

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: biostud666
Next time somebody tries to think for them self, strike them to the ground
Next time somebody puts up a question, smack them hard

This is the freedom we fight for

Need to differentiate between the politcal leaders and the military.

We go where we are told, do the job we were trained for and accept the orders from our superiors.

If we did not do that, the asshats who critize us would not be able to.

How much freedom of speach is/was there under the Communist rule?

We sacrifice so others can bitch about it.

Who are these "asshats who critize" the rank and file members of the military? Quotes and citations please.

Here's an oldie but goodie from a dearly departed:

Originally posted by: BOBDN

These morons all believe if you aren't stupid enough to have to join up to make a living you aren't a "real" American.

Their only real asset is the ease with which they're brainwashed. Makes them all perfect candidates to become grunts.

They need the "structure" of military life. They need someone to tell them how exactly to do everything. They don't possess the mental faculties to figure it out on their own.

Now that their brainwashing is complete they think they've made some "contribution."

The only contribution made was us contributing our tax dollars to keep these dullards employed until they could be taught how to march in a straight line.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: biostud666
Next time somebody tries to think for them self, strike them to the ground
Next time somebody puts up a question, smack them hard

This is the freedom we fight for

Need to differentiate between the politcal leaders and the military.

We go where we are told, do the job we were trained for and accept the orders from our superiors.

If we did not do that, the asshats who critize us would not be able to.

How much freedom of speach is/was there under the Communist rule?

We sacrifice so others can bitch about it.

Who are these "asshats who critize" the rank and file members of the military? Quotes and citations please.

Here's an oldie but goodie from a dearly departed:

Originally posted by: BOBDN

These morons all believe if you aren't stupid enough to have to join up to make a living you aren't a "real" American.

Their only real asset is the ease with which they're brainwashed. Makes them all perfect candidates to become grunts.

They need the "structure" of military life. They need someone to tell them how exactly to do everything. They don't possess the mental faculties to figure it out on their own.

Now that their brainwashing is complete they think they've made some "contribution."

The only contribution made was us contributing our tax dollars to keep these dullards employed until they could be taught how to march in a straight line.

Do you think some of that may be valid? I think some may be. That poster did go about it a crude and exaggerated way.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
Heil Hitler!

If you were anywhere where i could get to you i would punch your lights out for that comment.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Brutuskend

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
Heil Hitler!

Wow, this is a strange forum.

Now I see why I usually stay out of here. :shocked:

Moronic comments like that one are seen from all sides unfortunantly.

Some people will never understand, naive, stupid and lack of pride is what unites them all.

MonstaThrilla, Brutuskend is ONE of the few, one of the proud who did what he did so you can live like you do, you SHOULD apologize.

 

[eriqesque]

Originally posted by: lozina
Someone oughta kick this guy's ass for desecrating the flag

Not really it's not an actual American Flag of Correct Dimensions
It is a replica and does not require the flag etiquette.

 

[MonstaThrilla]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Brutuskend

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
Heil Hitler!

Wow, this is a strange forum.

Now I see why I usually stay out of here. :shocked:

Moronic comments like that one are seen from all sides unfortunantly.

Some people will never understand, naive, stupid and lack of pride is what unites them all.

MonstaThrilla, Brutuskend is ONE of the few, one of the proud who did what he did so you can live like you do, you SHOULD apologize.

Actually no. Check yourself kid. You're reading a politics forum on a geeky computer website.

You know who allows me to live like I do? My father and mother who raised me and worked their asses off for me. Not you. Not the OP.

I saw a hilarious display of fascism and I responded with my own wise-ass comment. I don't need to apologize and neither does the OP.

Edit: Oh yeah, and I think there's a reason the OP was designated a Court Jester by the mods...

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Pick up any newpaper or watch most of the media shows.

There are even some members here on this forum.

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla

So no quotes and citations? You're the one that made the charge, not me. Prove it. And an attack on Bush and his administration is not an attack on the rank and file servicemen of the US military...

Here is one




jhhnn

Originally posted by: jhhnn
Having once been trained to exhibit blind obedience to authority figures, vets have occasionally been known to have problems breaking that habit....

The fact that Republicans resort to the John Wayne flag-waving school of propaganda fits right in with previous conditioning....

Given the right circumstances and stimulus, an unfortunate percentage of vets will react just like Pavlov's dog...