Dean - "Hamas are soldiers in that war"

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: friedpie

Originally posted by: Aimster
next time you post a link make sure it not bias. That webpage is obviously pro-Israeli.

I'm going to post some articles on israel from www.israelsucks.com

You can't refute any of the facts, can you?

What jew-hating liberal arts college did/do you attend?

Jew hating liberal arts college? I didnt even read your little article I just opened up their main site and it was talking about being Israel safe. I dont even care. You having a site that like just makes me wonder

Don't let it bother you too much Aimster, anyone who dares critisize Israel in any form or fashion is immediately labeled an anti-Semite in this country. The word has lost all its power and meaning IMO.

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
I may not agree with the soldiers in war part, but I agree that America needs to be an honest broker and that Israel should get out of the West Bank 100%. Dean has my vote.

The hell they should, who wants to live their lives in fear. They sure don't and i sure as hell won't. They will not tolerate the terrorism that is brought upon them.

They demand security which they can never have.

That doesn't mean they back down and let it happen. Or just give a verbal reprimand when it happens.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: DBL

So, it is your assertion that a man who wields the greatest amount of influence and power in a society that condones the action of terrorists, is actually a peaceful person, considering only 100+ Israeli civilians (a "relatively" small amount) were murdered by terrorists in a 5 year span? Additionally, please understand that when I talk of civilian deaths, I always try and put the actual deaths into PERSPECTIVE. 3 Palestinians may be killed for every Israeli but you are including terrorists and combatants in your numbers. A responsible analysis of the circumstances regarding Israeli/Palestinian deaths will show that Israeli civilians are TARGETED SPECIFICALLY while Innocent Palestinians are only killed as a result of Israeli military operations, whose purpose is to hunt down and kill/capture Palestinian terrorists. Palestinian sympathizers usually have trouble grasping why PERSPECTIVE is so important when talking about civilian deaths.

Sure, Israel sympathizers usually have trouble grasping why Palestinians resort to blowing themselves up instead of fighting the regular warfare. Or they understand it all too well but is so scare of the tactic, that they'll do anything to discredit Palestinian's way of fighting and resisting.

We can talk about how Palestinian target civilians specifically when Palestinian have the capability to fight tanks and fighter jets head on. But the reality is that they don't have that capability and they can either give up or find the soft spot where they can attack effectively. This is a war, pure and simple and when you are faced with either giving up your land and freedom, or doing anything possible to weaken your enemy, include targeting your enemy's civilian, the choice is easy.

Advances, huh? Enlighten me please?

How would you call surrounding Arafat's headquarter in Ramallah with Tanks, shooting at his building and people, cutting off his access to phone and water and keepping him confined?

Apparently reading comprehensions isn't one of your strong points. I clearly stated that Palestinian society condones the actions of Hamas and other terrorist organizations. I did not declare all Palestinian terrorists.

I'm not sure where you live, but you really can't help showing your true colors. Do I detect a bit of gloating in regard to 9/11? You really are a sick individual. Vulnerability happens to be an unfortunate aspect of a free society that is impossible to eliminate. If only you were intelligent enough to comprehend that fact.

Well, what do you mean then when you declared the elected leader of Palestine, a person who has the support of his people and a person who represents his people a terrorist?

I happen to live in Chicago and I in no way was gloating about 911. It was a painful lesson to all of us and it's just a sad thing that some of us still choose the old way of arrogance, steping on others and ignoring others' grievances.

I also have the integlligence to realize that no matter how much money you spend on your security, weaponery and military, as long as you choose to violate others and not playing fair with others, you will suffer for it one day.

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Sure, Israel sympathizers usually have trouble grasping why Palestinians resort to blowing themselves up instead of fighting the regular warfare. Or they understand it all too well but is so scare of the tactic, that they'll do anything to discredit Palestinian's way of fighting and resisting.

We can talk about how Palestinian target civilians specifically when Palestinian have the capability to fight tanks and fighter jets head on. But the reality is that they don't have that capability and they can either give up or find the soft spot where they can attack effectively. This is a war, pure and simple and when you are faced with either giving up your land and freedom, or doing anything possible to weaken your enemy, include targeting your enemy's civilian, the choice is easy.

If the Palestinians would stop blowing up innocent women and children, then Israel would eventually leave Palestinian territory and peace talks could once again resume. Israel is only responding with force in order to prevent terrorist attacks.

It is my opinion and I believe the opinion of many other reasonable people that when one resorts to the deliberate murder of innocent civilians, your cause becomes irrelevant. So you see, it doesn't even matter if the Palestinians do have a legitimate gripe. The fact is, they will continue to suffer until they realize that violence will not get them what they want and will only serve to continue their suffering.

How would you call surrounding Arafat's headquarter in Ramallah with Tanks, shooting at his building and people, cutting off his access to phone and water and keepping him confined?

It's called self defense and Israel happens to be very good at defending itself. They know who commands the terrorists and move to limit their ability to operate. Perhaps it is advancement, but it's certainly not Israel?s fault. Israel doesn't want to be there.

Well, what do you mean then when you declared the elected leader of Palestine, a person who has the support of his people and a person who represents his people a terrorist?

Israel has documented Arafat's involvement in terrorism many times. It really makes no difference if your people elected you if you choose to support terrorism.

I happen to live in Chicago and I in no way was gloating about 911. It was a painful lesson to all of us and it's just a sad thing that some of us still choose the old way of arrogance, steping on others and ignoring others' grievances.

Are you saying we should have negotiated with Al Qaeda? Should Bush and Bin Laden have sat down to a summit? When you murder innocent civilians, you lose ALL credibility. To think otherwise is to encourage terrorism. You seriously underestimate the fanaticism of terrorists. There is no negotiation. None.

I also have the intelligence to realize that no matter how much money you spend on your security, weaponry and military, as long as you choose to violate others and not playing fair with others, you will suffer for it one day.

Are you saying that we are responsible for 9/11? How would we appease Islamic fanatics whose goal is to convert the world to Islam and view non-Muslims as enemies?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: rchiu

Sure, Israel sympathizers usually have trouble grasping why Palestinians resort to blowing themselves up instead of fighting the regular warfare. Or they understand it all too well but is so scare of the tactic, that they'll do anything to discredit Palestinian's way of fighting and resisting.

We can talk about how Palestinian target civilians specifically when Palestinian have the capability to fight tanks and fighter jets head on. But the reality is that they don't have that capability and they can either give up or find the soft spot where they can attack effectively. This is a war, pure and simple and when you are faced with either giving up your land and freedom, or doing anything possible to weaken your enemy, include targeting your enemy's civilian, the choice is easy.

If the Palestinians would stop blowing up innocent women and children, then Israel would eventually leave Palestinian territory and peace talks could once again resume. Israel is only responding with force in order to prevent terrorist attacks.

It is my opinion and I believe the opinion of many other reasonable people that when one resorts to the deliberate murder of innocent civilians, your cause becomes irrelevant. So you see, it doesn't even matter if the Palestinians do have a legitimate gripe. The fact is, they will continue to suffer until they realize that violence will not get them what they want and will only serve to continue their suffering.

How would you call surrounding Arafat's headquarter in Ramallah with Tanks, shooting at his building and people, cutting off his access to phone and water and keepping him confined?

It's called self defense and Israel happens to be very good at defending itself. They know who commands the terrorists and move to limit their ability to operate. Perhaps it is advancement, but it's certainly not Israel?s fault. Israel doesn't want to be there.

Well, what do you mean then when you declared the elected leader of Palestine, a person who has the support of his people and a person who represents his people a terrorist?

Israel has documented Arafat's involvement in terrorism many times. It really makes no difference if your people elected you if you choose to support terrorism.

I happen to live in Chicago and I in no way was gloating about 911. It was a painful lesson to all of us and it's just a sad thing that some of us still choose the old way of arrogance, steping on others and ignoring others' grievances.

Are you saying we should have negotiated with Al Qaeda? Should Bush and Bin Laden have sat down to a summit? When you murder innocent civilians, you lose ALL credibility. To think otherwise is to encourage terrorism. You seriously underestimate the fanaticism of terrorists. There is no negotiation. None.

I also have the intelligence to realize that no matter how much money you spend on your security, weaponry and military, as long as you choose to violate others and not playing fair with others, you will suffer for it one day.

Are you saying that we are responsible for 9/11? How would we appease Islamic fanatics whose goal is to convert the world to Islam and view non-Muslims as enemies?

The Settlers would leave too?

 

[Red Dawn]

Many seem to forget that beforew Israewl became a Jewish State the Jewish Militia were called Terrorists too. I guess the difference between aq terrorist and a Soldier is that a Soldier belongs to a recognized state.

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Many seem to forget that beforew Israewl became a Jewish State the Jewish Militia were called Terrorists too. I guess the difference between aq terrorist and a Soldier is that a Soldier belongs to a recognized state.

That's right. Now, if only you can point to specific examples of the Jewish militia blowing up innocent Palestinian or British civilians. There are major differences that you are conveniently forgetting.

1) The Jewish militia did not enjoy the popular support that Palestinian terrorists command from their populous.
2) Their primary targets were always military
3) By comparison, the Jewish militia was a very small minority in no way comparable to the modern Palestinian terror groups in size.

Regardless, even if there existed some Jewish "terrorists" as you say, how does that make a modern terrorist campaign any more acceptable?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Many seem to forget that beforew Israewl became a Jewish State the Jewish Militia were called Terrorists too. I guess the difference between aq terrorist and a Soldier is that a Soldier belongs to a recognized state.

That's right. Now, if only you can point to specific examples of the Jewish militia blowing up innocent Palestinian or British civilians. There are major differences that you are conveniently forgetting.

1) The Jewish militia did not enjoy the popular support that Palestinian terrorists command from their populous.
2) Their primary targets were always military
3) By comparison, the Jewish militia was a very small minority in no way comparable to the modern Palestinian terror groups in size.

Regardless, even if there existed some Jewish "terrorists" as you say, how does that make a modern terrorist campaign any more acceptable?

Though you make a point, that is defective thinking. That's the same thinking that has embroiled Israel in Decades of Retribution then Victimization. IOW, so what? That kind of thinking is just a weak excuse for why one side continues killing and tormenting the other, it is not a solution or a method to reach a solution.

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Though you make a point, that is defective thinking. That's the same thinking that has embroiled Israel in Decades of Retribution then Victimization. IOW, so what? That kind of thinking is just a weak excuse for why one side continues killing and tormenting the other, it is not a solution or a method to reach a solution.

Red Dawn was referring to events, which happened decades ago. They really have no bearing on today?s situation. The only defective thinking I see, is from those who feel that the indiscriminate murder of civilians will help you to attain your goals.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: sandorski

Though you make a point, that is defective thinking. That's the same thinking that has embroiled Israel in Decades of Retribution then Victimization. IOW, so what? That kind of thinking is just a weak excuse for why one side continues killing and tormenting the other, it is not a solution or a method to reach a solution.

Red Dawn was referring to events, which happened decades ago. They really have no bearing on today?s situation. The only defective thinking I see, is from those who feel that the indiscriminate murder of civilians will help you to attain your goals.

That too is defective, but Israel is not helping the situation, just perpetuating it with their "justification".

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Many seem to forget that beforew Israewl became a Jewish State the Jewish Militia were called Terrorists too. I guess the difference between aq terrorist and a Soldier is that a Soldier belongs to a recognized state.

That's right. Now, if only you can point to specific examples of the Jewish militia blowing up innocent Palestinian or British civilians.

Below, please find passages from two academic peer review journals. There is more out there. However, I refuse to cite sources from what I consider "fringe". Examples of "fringe" are: rense.com, Guardian, Al-Jazeera or <insert what is thought as a credible Palestinian/Arab website (i.e. israelsucks.org or palestinianrulz.biz>

"An opportunity to guage the degree to which fanaticism on the far right is tolerated is provided by the recent trial on charges of terrorism of twenty-seven members of the settler movement. In May 1984, the government, at the time headed by Likud, arrested these men and accused them of membership in a Jewish underground terrorist network. Among the specific acts with which they were charged were the 1980 bombings of several West Bank mayors and the 1982 shooting and hand grenade attack on the Islamic University in Hebron."

Dr. Mark Tessler, Professor of Political Science,"The Politcal Right in Israel: Its Origins, Growth, and Prospects" Journal of Palestine Studies, Vol. 15, No.2 (Winter, 1986), p. 31

"2. Formation of Haganah during British Mandate for protection of Jewish communal settlements from Arab raids. Haganah (Hebrew: Defense) existed as illegal underground movement though British used members and entire units during World War II in North African and Middle Eastern campaigns.

3. Formation of Jewish organizations devoted to harrassment of British during Mandate and to protection of Jews against Arab raids.
a. Irgun Zvai Leumi (sabotage and threats)
b. Fighters for Freedom of Israel called "Stern Gang" (acts of terror)

4. Assassination of Lord Moyne, British Minister Resident in Cairo, November 6, 1944 by two young Sternists."

"Case Analysis V, Case Analyses of Social Conflict", Journal of Educational Sociology, Vol. 30. No. 7 (Mar., 1957), p. 323

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: burnedout

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Many seem to forget that beforew Israewl became a Jewish State the Jewish Militia were called Terrorists too. I guess the difference between aq terrorist and a Soldier is that a Soldier belongs to a recognized state.

That's right. Now, if only you can point to specific examples of the Jewish militia blowing up innocent Palestinian or British civilians.

Below, please find passages from two academic peer review journals. There is more out there. However, I refuse to cite sources from what I consider "fringe". Examples of "fringe" are: rense.com, Guardian, Al-Jazeera or <insert what is thought as a credible Palestinian/Arab website (i.e. israelsucks.org or palestinianrulz.biz>

"An opportunity to guage the degree to which fanaticism on the far right is tolerated is provided by the recent trial on charges of terrorism of twenty-seven members of the settler movement. In May 1984, the government, at the time headed by Likud, arrested these men and accused them of membership in a Jewish underground terrorist network. Among the specific acts with which they were charged were the 1980 bombings of several West Bank mayors and the 1982 shooting and hand grenade attack on the Islamic University in Hebron."

Dr. Mark Tessler, Professor of Political Science,"The Politcal Right in Israel: Its Origins, Growth, and Prospects" Journal of Palestine Studies, Vol. 15, No.2 (Winter, 1986), p. 31

"2. Formation of Haganah during British Mandate for protection of Jewish communal settlements from Arab raids. Haganah (Hebrew: Defense) existed as illegal underground movement though British used members and entire units during World War II in North African and Middle Eastern campaigns.

3. Formation of Jewish organizations devoted to harrassment of British during Mandate and to protection of Jews against Arab raids.
a. Irgun Zvai Leumi (sabotage and threats)
b. Fighters for Freedom of Israel called "Stern Gang" (acts of terror)

4. Assassination of Lord Moyne, British Minister Resident in Cairo, November 6, 1944 by two young Sternists."

"Case Analysis V, Case Analyses of Social Conflict", Journal of Educational Sociology, Vol. 30. No. 7 (Mar., 1957), p. 323

Very good. That spans what, about 60 years? I wonder how long of a list we would have if we listed the Palestinian atrocities for one year? However, the real problem is that the vast majority of Israelis view these attacks as atrocities while the general Palestinian population supports Hamas and other terror organizations.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: DBL


Very good. That spans what, about 60 years? I wonder how long of a list we would have if we listed the Palestinian atrocities for one year? However, the real problem is that the vast majority of Israelis view these attacks as atrocities while the general Palestinian population supports Hamas and other terror organizations.

Oh really, the same Israelis that supported an Administration that is considering to murder the elected leader of Palestinian?

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: DBL


Very good. That spans what, about 60 years? I wonder how long of a list we would have if we listed the Palestinian atrocities for one year? However, the real problem is that the vast majority of Israelis view these attacks as atrocities while the general Palestinian population supports Hamas and other terror organizations.

Oh really, the same Israelis that supported an Administration that is considering to murder the elected leader of Palestinian?

Look, it is your right to believe that Arafat was fairly elected in a democratic process. So was Saddam Hussein for that matter, with 100% of the vote no less. However, at the very least, you should complete your sentence, which happens to leave out pertinent information. Is should be something like this...

...The same Israelis that supported an Administration that is considering the murder of the elected leader of the Palestinians, who also sponsors and controls the various terror organizations responsible for the murder of innocent Israeli civilians. Yeah, I'd say Israel has a right to CONSIDER this option. Any other country would too.

 

[syzygy]

Originally posted by: burnedout

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Many seem to forget that beforew Israewl became a Jewish State the Jewish Militia were called Terrorists too. I guess the difference between aq terrorist and a Soldier is that a Soldier belongs to a recognized state.

That's right. Now, if only you can point to specific examples of the Jewish militia blowing up innocent Palestinian or British civilians.

Below, please find passages from two academic peer review journals. There is more out there. However, I refuse to cite sources from what I consider "fringe". Examples of "fringe" are: rense.com, Guardian, Al-Jazeera or <insert what is thought as a credible Palestinian/Arab website (i.e. israelsucks.org or palestinianrulz.biz>

"An opportunity to guage the degree to which fanaticism on the far right is tolerated is provided by the recent trial on charges of terrorism of twenty-seven members of the settler movement. In May 1984, the government, at the time headed by Likud, arrested these men and accused them of membership in a Jewish underground terrorist network. Among the specific acts with which they were charged were the 1980 bombings of several West Bank mayors and the 1982 shooting and hand grenade attack on the Islamic University in Hebron."

Dr. Mark Tessler, Professor of Political Science,"The Politcal Right in Israel: Its Origins, Growth, and Prospects" Journal of Palestine Studies, Vol. 15, No.2 (Winter, 1986), p. 31

"2. Formation of Haganah during British Mandate for protection of Jewish communal settlements from Arab raids. Haganah (Hebrew: Defense) existed as illegal underground movement though British used members and entire units during World War II in North African and Middle Eastern campaigns.

3. Formation of Jewish organizations devoted to harrassment of British during Mandate and to protection of Jews against Arab raids.
a. Irgun Zvai Leumi (sabotage and threats)
b. Fighters for Freedom of Israel called "Stern Gang" (acts of terror)

4. Assassination of Lord Moyne, British Minister Resident in Cairo, November 6, 1944 by two young Sternists."

"Case Analysis V, Case Analyses of Social Conflict", Journal of Educational Sociology, Vol. 30. No. 7 (Mar., 1957), p. 323

the jewish agency officially condemned the actions of the underground movements and connived with the british to see sternists
and hagana loyalists were arrested and spirited from palestine. the jewish agency was not a government. they did not have control
of any territory in the same vein that the palestinian authority (p.a.) runs their jurisdictions.

the p.a. has a small army of law enforcement people who number in the thousands, well-armed, far in excess of the oslo accords.
they control the areas out of which hamas and other militants operate and could very easily crush them, assuming they could muster
the cahones to do so. the jewish agency tried always to cooperate with british colonial officials because it was in the interest of their
various political goals (increased immigration, partition, favored political treatment) to do so.

the p.a. has repeatedly stated they will not engage hamas in a bare-knuckel contest for palestinian supremacy because they fear an
internecine conflict would splinter the movement further, compromsie traditional power bases, and lead to a topsy-turvy re-ordering
of the palestinian power structure, where the young turks unseat the old guard and leave these elders with mere crumbs for their decades
of service.

 

[beyoku]

its real i also SAW him say it on CNN - I am voting for Dean hands down. BTW do the people of palestine even have an army. And the US call everybody terrorist now. EVeryone is using the T word. instead of us having casualties of war we have "Attacks against americans" in Iraq. Am i the only person that notices this foolishness. Now ALL Iraq's resistance is "terrorism" You have to be an azzhole to believe this mess.

 

[beyoku]

thanks , very well put

 

[beyoku]

again, in lots of middle eastern countries the government will give money to a family when the head of the household passes away. That can be in cases of them being murdered, locked up even, suicide, as well as when they are actually killed by the the own government. (death penalty). People have just twisted this to sound so bad. In their culture an act like this works out for much for good than it does bad even though some of those peoples families are suicide bombers. If you go to the army and get killed - an any way (even blowing your self up with a bomb) would the us government give your family money?

 

[beyoku]

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: rchiu

Sure, Israel sympathizers usually have trouble grasping why Palestinians resort to blowing themselves up instead of fighting the regular warfare. Or they understand it all too well but is so scare of the tactic, that they'll do anything to discredit Palestinian's way of fighting and resisting.

We can talk about how Palestinian target civilians specifically when Palestinian have the capability to fight tanks and fighter jets head on. But the reality is that they don't have that capability and they can either give up or find the soft spot where they can attack effectively. This is a war, pure and simple and when you are faced with either giving up your land and freedom, or doing anything possible to weaken your enemy, include targeting your enemy's civilian, the choice is easy.

If the Palestinians would stop blowing up innocent women and children, then Israel would eventually leave Palestinian territory and peace talks could once again resume. Israel is only responding with force in order to prevent terrorist attacks.

It is my opinion and I believe the opinion of many other reasonable people that when one resorts to the deliberate murder of innocent civilians, your cause becomes irrelevant. So you see, it doesn't even matter if the Palestinians do have a legitimate gripe. The fact is, they will continue to suffer until they realize that violence will not get them what they want and will only serve to continue their suffering.

How would you call surrounding Arafat's headquarter in Ramallah with Tanks, shooting at his building and people, cutting off his access to phone and water and keepping him confined?

It's called self defense and Israel happens to be very good at defending itself. They know who commands the terrorists and move to limit their ability to operate. Perhaps it is advancement, but it's certainly not Israel?s fault. Israel doesn't want to be there.

Well, what do you mean then when you declared the elected leader of Palestine, a person who has the support of his people and a person who represents his people a terrorist?

Israel has documented Arafat's involvement in terrorism many times. It really makes no difference if your people elected you if you choose to support terrorism.

I happen to live in Chicago and I in no way was gloating about 911. It was a painful lesson to all of us and it's just a sad thing that some of us still choose the old way of arrogance, steping on others and ignoring others' grievances.

Are you saying we should have negotiated with Al Qaeda? Should Bush and Bin Laden have sat down to a summit? When you murder innocent civilians, you lose ALL credibility. To think otherwise is to encourage terrorism. You seriously underestimate the fanaticism of terrorists. There is no negotiation. None.

I also have the intelligence to realize that no matter how much money you spend on your security, weaponry and military, as long as you choose to violate others and not playing fair with others, you will suffer for it one day.

Are you saying that we are responsible for 9/11? How would we appease Islamic fanatics whose goal is to convert the world to Islam and view non-Muslims as enemies?

yepper

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: beyoku

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: rchiu

Sure, Israel sympathizers usually have trouble grasping why Palestinians resort to blowing themselves up instead of fighting the regular warfare. Or they understand it all too well but is so scare of the tactic, that they'll do anything to discredit Palestinian's way of fighting and resisting.

We can talk about how Palestinian target civilians specifically when Palestinian have the capability to fight tanks and fighter jets head on. But the reality is that they don't have that capability and they can either give up or find the soft spot where they can attack effectively. This is a war, pure and simple and when you are faced with either giving up your land and freedom, or doing anything possible to weaken your enemy, include targeting your enemy's civilian, the choice is easy.

If the Palestinians would stop blowing up innocent women and children, then Israel would eventually leave Palestinian territory and peace talks could once again resume. Israel is only responding with force in order to prevent terrorist attacks.

It is my opinion and I believe the opinion of many other reasonable people that when one resorts to the deliberate murder of innocent civilians, your cause becomes irrelevant. So you see, it doesn't even matter if the Palestinians do have a legitimate gripe. The fact is, they will continue to suffer until they realize that violence will not get them what they want and will only serve to continue their suffering.

How would you call surrounding Arafat's headquarter in Ramallah with Tanks, shooting at his building and people, cutting off his access to phone and water and keepping him confined?

It's called self defense and Israel happens to be very good at defending itself. They know who commands the terrorists and move to limit their ability to operate. Perhaps it is advancement, but it's certainly not Israel?s fault. Israel doesn't want to be there.

Well, what do you mean then when you declared the elected leader of Palestine, a person who has the support of his people and a person who represents his people a terrorist?

Israel has documented Arafat's involvement in terrorism many times. It really makes no difference if your people elected you if you choose to support terrorism.

I happen to live in Chicago and I in no way was gloating about 911. It was a painful lesson to all of us and it's just a sad thing that some of us still choose the old way of arrogance, steping on others and ignoring others' grievances.

Are you saying we should have negotiated with Al Qaeda? Should Bush and Bin Laden have sat down to a summit? When you murder innocent civilians, you lose ALL credibility. To think otherwise is to encourage terrorism. You seriously underestimate the fanaticism of terrorists. There is no negotiation. None.

I also have the intelligence to realize that no matter how much money you spend on your security, weaponry and military, as long as you choose to violate others and not playing fair with others, you will suffer for it one day.

Are you saying that we are responsible for 9/11? How would we appease Islamic fanatics whose goal is to convert the world to Islam and view non-Muslims as enemies?

yepper

Wow! What an intelligent and thought provoking response. It must be great to feel that you can murder and then blame others for it. Now that you have everybody convinced that it was the USA who was responsible for 9/11, why don't you answer the next question I asked?

How would we appease Islamic fanatics whose goal is to convert the world to Islam and view non-Muslims as enemies?

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: beyoku
its real i also SAW him say it on CNN - I am voting for Dean hands down. BTW do the people of palestine even have an army. And the US call everybody terrorist now. EVeryone is using the T word. instead of us having casualties of war we have "Attacks against americans" in Iraq. Am i the only person that notices this foolishness. Now ALL Iraq's resistance is "terrorism" You have to be an azzhole to believe this mess.

The Palestinian security forces are 20K strong. The Palestinian authority being to weak to face Hamas is one of the biggest misconceptions there is. They just would rather not confront terrorists.

 

[beyoku]

[
Wow! What an intelligent and thought provoking response. It must be great to feel that you can murder and then blame others for it. Now that you have everybody convinced that it was the USA who was responsible for 9/11, why don't you answer the next question I asked?

How would we appease Islamic fanatics whose goal is to convert the world to Islam and view non-Muslims as enemies?[/quote]

That is not really the reason, do you know why OBL waged war on the US. Do you even know what we were doing on 911? What about where the Taleban and OBL for that matter even come from. Do all the research you may come to the conclusion that the fault lies within the source.

 

[beyoku]

I have never seen anyone being forced to convert to Islam. Now OTHER RELIGIONS have FORCED people into conversion. Think about history, we dont have to name names.

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: beyoku
[
Wow! What an intelligent and thought provoking response. It must be great to feel that you can murder and then blame others for it. Now that you have everybody convinced that it was the USA who was responsible for 9/11, why don't you answer the next question I asked?

How would we appease Islamic fanatics whose goal is to convert the world to Islam and view non-Muslims as enemies?

That is not really the reason, do you know why OBL waged war on the US. Do you even know what we were doing on 911? What about where the Taleban and OBL for that matter even come from. Do all the research you may come to the conclusion that the fault lies within the source.[/quote]

Yeah, I?ve heard all the wacko conspiracy theories before. Rather than responding to my question with more questions, why don't you address my question?

How would we appease Islamic fanatics whose goal is to convert the world to Islam and view non-Muslims as enemies?

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: beyoku
I have never seen anyone being forced to convert to Islam. Now OTHER RELIGIONS have FORCED people into conversion. Think about history, we dont have to name names.

No, you are right. If these fundamentalists have their way, they couldn't really force you to convert. They would kill you instead. And why do terrorist sympathizers always bring up references to the crusades as if I or other freedom loving peoples condones those despicable actions, which happened many centuries ago?