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Dean Blames Bush, Dems for Poor Economy
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MonstaThrilla
Golden Member
No.
UltraQuiet
Banned
The way Dean is fundraising if he doesn't get the nomination he may have enough to run as an independent. I wonder if he would.
BTW he's right about the Dem's. They've done a sh!tty job as the so called "loyal opposition". They seem capable of throwing a helluva funeral, fillibustering judges and running for the border but other than that they haven't done sh!t.
MonstaThrilla
Golden Member
No, he wouldn't.
UltraQuiet
Banned
Why do you say that? I'm not disagreeing, I'm curious.
MonstaThrilla
Golden Member
He's been a loyal Democrat throughout his whole political career. He wants to see Bush unseated so badly that he wouldn't jeopardize his party's nominee if it weren't him. He hasn't explicitly stated this, but I follow him closely and this is the feeling I get.
But such hypotheticals are moot because he's getting the nom. 😀
MonstaThrilla
Golden Member
If he gets the nom, the DNC likely wins the Presidency. Just my humble opinion. 🙂
MonstaThrilla
Golden Member
He has a record as being a fiscal conservative in Vermont. He balanced that state's budget and set up a system of fiscal responsibility. Right now Vermont isn't having a budget crisis unlike other states because of the rainy day fund they set up.
He's viewed as a down the middle Moderate in Vermont. If you do a Nexis search of articles about him during his governorship, you will never see the words "Howard Dean" and "liberal" or "progressive" anywhere close to each other. He has stated that both the issues of civil unions and gun control are fully state issues. His position on gun control is fully endorsed by the NRA.
His staunch anti-Iraqi war stance may well be a moderate position come next year. His "liberal" healthcare plan is fiscally responsible if you actually take the time to read it, and may be accepted by the center if sold correctly. Actually, almost all the Dems have fiscally reasonable healthcare plans.
Tripleshot
Elite Member
That is speculation fed by the right wing neocons. They fear Dean. Dean is a threat. Hell as soon as the dems pick a contender,any contender, spin doctors will spread as much FUD as they can because they know now Bush is very VERY vulnarable. Every day that goes by shows bush and his administration in another foul smelling policy or verbal mistake. Today, Bush declares those POW's of Iraq war 1 they aren't getting the money promised from the frozen Iraqi assets, (653 mil) for their suffering. Bush says they aint getting squat.
I'll bet that makes the soldiers in the field just feel all warm and fuzzy about their commander in chief.:disgust:
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Bring em on! 😀 Any of em.
They don't stand a chance!
BTW - the money wasn't "promised", I believe it was awarded by a judge.
CkG
Tripleshot
Elite Member
Oh, I see. That makes what Bush is doing OK then.
Yep, we'll bring it on, and he'll be the same loser his father was in round 2.
Difference is, Bush 1 WAS elected, not appointed, as Bush 2 was.😉
glenn1
Lifer
That may be true, but not much of the rest of the country has even heard of him.. it's what, 7% of the population who can name *any* democratic candidate? Which is about half as many as that think (incorrectly) Al Gore is running again. And most of those who do know him think of him as a lunatic fringe left candidate, including quite a few inside the democratic party. Not saying it's right or wrong, just reporting my observations from what i've seen in the media...
I agree with his statement "Too many Democrats in Washington have become so afraid of losing that they have remained silent or only halfheartedly fought the very agenda that is destroying the democratic dream of America," but I think the dems are fearful because it's very difficult to fight Bush's economic/policy agenda since he's using the "terrorist threat" and "patriotism" to get his "program" passed by congress (i.e., if any demo oppose Bush...they get "labeled" as unpatriotic, or "you don't support the U.S. troops", etc.). Tough place to be....
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Originally posted by: Tripleshot
Oh, I see. That makes what Bush is doing OK then.
Yep, we'll bring it on, and he'll be the same loser his father was in round 2.
Difference is, Bush 1 WAS elected, not appointed, as Bush 2 was.😉
I didn't say what Bush is doing about the Iraq money was right. I haven't read more than the moneymaking headlines. I reserve judgment until I hear more about the case. It sucks that these guys were POWs but my first instinct is "what kind of precedence does this set"
Bush 2 was elected and will be RE-ELECTED 😉
CkG
MonstaThrilla
Golden Member
The American populace is dumb and ignorant. But they'll start taking notice when the election season really starts. People laughed at our current President when he threw his hat into the race. They wrote off the Governor from Arkansas in October of 1991 when he declared his intentions to run. But both of those men were able to become President. Its easy for the media to pick on the candidates now, maybe they like to inflate their own ego or get some sick thrill out of it. But the fact of the matter is that most political analysts believe the race will be close, no matter who the Democratic candidate turns out to be. Dean happens to have the best early buzz and best early organization out of any of the others, and he shouldn't be written off due to polling numbers this early in the election process.
sMiLeYz
Platinum Member
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Tripleshot
Oh, I see. That makes what Bush is doing OK then.
Yep, we'll bring it on, and he'll be the same loser his father was in round 2.
Difference is, Bush 1 WAS elected, not appointed, as Bush 2 was.😉
I didn't say what Bush is doing about the Iraq money was right. I haven't read more than the moneymaking headlines. I reserve judgment until I hear more about the case. It sucks that these guys were POWs but my first instinct is "what kind of precedence does this set"
Bush 2 was elected and will be RE-ELECTED 😉
CkG
Bush 2 was elected by the supreme court not by the people. Because 539,898 more voted for Gore. 😉
If the Nader voters and the Gore voters stand together behind a democrat canadiate, Bush has no chance.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Tripleshot
Oh, I see. That makes what Bush is doing OK then.
Yep, we'll bring it on, and he'll be the same loser his father was in round 2.
Difference is, Bush 1 WAS elected, not appointed, as Bush 2 was.😉
I didn't say what Bush is doing about the Iraq money was right. I haven't read more than the moneymaking headlines. I reserve judgment until I hear more about the case. It sucks that these guys were POWs but my first instinct is "what kind of precedence does this set"
Bush 2 was elected and will be RE-ELECTED 😉
CkG
Bush 2 was elected by the supreme court not by the people. Because 539,898 more voted for Gore. 😉
If the Nader voters and the Gore voters stand together behind a democrat canadiate, Bush has no chance.
1. False
2. That is a pretty big IF 😉
CkG
Bush has already won re-election.
The Democrats are out of control.
Being the McCain supporter I was.....I hope to see another candidate who is not anti- middle class and is someone who is not afraid to do what is correct for our country.
And preferably a Democrat or Republican.....since NO other party stands a chance of EVER winning with our current political system.
The Democrats are out of control.
Being the McCain supporter I was.....I hope to see another candidate who is not anti- middle class and is someone who is not afraid to do what is correct for our country.
And preferably a Democrat or Republican.....since NO other party stands a chance of EVER winning with our current political system.
That's BS, the votes in Florida were never counted. The Supreme Coup selected Bush as the electoral college winner. He didn't actually win. You have to know who got the most votes in a state to win. Bush didn't win the election because the election was stopped.
Also the American middle is rotten. Corporate American Media has paid for it's mind set. We need a revolution that takes us left. It's time for reverse class war. Its time to replace the lust for money the sop of worthlessness with the lust for the common good. Anybody awake can see our extinction approaching fast. We are like mites in a cheese eating our future home. One day it will collapse and the fun will really begin.
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