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Deadliest attack could signal longer US stay

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Deadliest attack could signal longer U.S. stay

Increased violence in Iraq may force Bush to boost troop levels or find a quick way out.

By Thomas E. Ricks / Washington Post
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WASHINGTON - In April 2003, as the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq was ending, the Pentagon projected in a formal planning effort that the U.S. military occupation of the country would end this month.

Instead, December 2004 brought the deadliest incident of the war for U.S. forces, with 22 people killed and 66 wounded Tuesday when a 122 mm rocket slammed into a dining tent during lunchtime at a U.S. base near the northern city of Mosul. The dead included 20 Americans - 15 of them service members and five civilian contractors. Forty-two of the wounded were U.S. troops, Capt. Brian Lucas, a military spokesman in Baghdad, said today.

More U.S. troops were lost in the attack than in any other incident, even in the spring 2003 invasion. Before Tuesday, the worst incidents were the deaths of 17 soldiers in the November 2003 collision of two UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters, also in Mosul, and, two weeks before that, the loss of 15 soldiers when a CH-47 Chinook transport helicopter crashed near Baghdad. All three occurred after President Bush's May 2003 declaration that major combat operations had ended.

The major difference between the latest attack and those earlier is that it was an attack on a U.S. base, rather than on troops in transit in vulnerable aircraft.

That difference appears to reflect the persistence of the insurgency and its growing sophistication, as experts noted that it seemed to be based on precise intelligence. Some officers who have served in Iraq worried that the Mosul attack could mark the beginning of a period of even more intense violence preceding the Iraqi elections scheduled for Jan. 30.

"On the strategic level, we were expecting a horrendous month leading up to the Iraqi elections, and that has begun," retired Army Col. Michael Hess said.

Jeffrey White, a former DIA analyst of Middle Eastern military affairs, said he is especially worried that the insurgents' next move will be a penetration by fighters into a base. "The real danger here is that they will mount a sophisticated effort to penetrate or assault one of our camps or bases with a ground element," he said.

If anti-American violence does hit a new level, pressures will likely increase on the Bush administration to either boost the U.S. military presence in Iraq or find a fast way to get out.

The adequacy of troop numbers is one of the questions provoked by Tuesday's action, said Charles McComas, a veteran Special Forces soldier who served in Afghanistan before retiring.

"Do we have the right forces and enough of them to do the offensive patrolling to reduce the chances of this happening again?" he asked.

President Bush tried to reassure the families of the injured and dead troops Tuesday, saying he hoped their relatives would find solace in the service their loved ones provided to their country.

"We just want them to know that the mission is a vital mission for peace," Bush said after a visit to Walter Reed Army Hospital.

The attack also indicates that the insurgency is growing more sophisticated. One of the basic principles of waging a counterinsurgency is that it requires patience.

"Twenty-one months" - the length of the occupation so far - "is not a long time to tame the tribal warfare expected there," said retired Marine Lt. Col. Rick Raftery, an intelligence specialist who operated in northern Iraq in 1991. "My guess is that this will take 10 years."

The Ansar al-Sunnah Army, claimed responsibility. It said the attack was a "martyrdom operation" targeting a dining hall.

Ansar al-Sunnah is believed to be a fundamentalist group that wants to turn Iraq into an Islamic state like Afghanistan's former Taliban regime. The Sunni group claimed responsibility for beheading 12 Nepalese hostages and other recent attacks in Mosul.

Another principle, less noted but painfully clear Tuesday, is that insurgents also tend to sharpen their tactics as time goes by. Over the past 20 months, enemy fighters have learned a lot about how the U.S. military operates and where its vulnerabilities lie.

"The longer you are anywhere, the more difficult it becomes," said Hess, who served in northern Iraq in 1991 and in Bosnia in 1996. "They have changed their tactics a lot in the year-plus."

Several experts noted that insurgents appear to have acted on accurate intelligence. Kalev Sepp, a former Special Forces counterinsurgency expert who recently returned from Iraq, noted that the attack "was carried out in daylight against the largest facility on the base, at exactly the time when the largest number of soldiers would be present. This combination of evidence indicates a good probability that the attack was well-planned and professionally executed."

A byproduct of such a strike is that it tends to drive a wedge between U.S. personnel and the Iraqis on the base.

"I think that this tells us first, that our base facilities are totally infiltrated by insiders who are passing the word on when and where we are most vulnerable to attack," said retired Marine Col. Edward Badolato.

Not all experts were pessimistic. Retired Army Col. John Antal said he expects more spectacular attacks but mainly because "the enemy is on the ropes and desperate to stop the elections."

But others were throwing up their hands.

"This sure isn't playing out like I thought it would," said retired Marine Lt. Col. Jay Stout, author of a book about the 1991 Persian Gulf War against Iraq, in which he fought. He said he is no longer confident about what the U.S. strategy should be.

"We have few choices: We can maintain the status quo while trying to build an Iraqi government that will survive, we can get the hell out now and leave them to kill themselves, or we can adopt a more brutal and repressive stance."

The Associated Press contributed to this report.
 

Aye. Irregardless of how long success may take, if it is indeed feasible, there is a larger problem.

The Bush administration is determined in its belief that this will end quickly, and are therefore not allocating anything for the future.

This has the potential to take up volumes in history textbooks one day🙁

1.US starts war
2. US adament that they will win quickly.
3.Coallition begins to reconsider the probability of such a rash assumption.
4.US continues to be arrogant.
5. another '40 years war'

this is hypothetical, but no at all improbable 🙁
 
We arn't going to leave. We will continue with the childish notion we can "save" these peoples while eliminating so called terrorists only to create more from the families of the dead. Maybe after 1-2-3 million slaughtered a new administration will find a way out. But it's doubtful. The power elite in this country remember what veitman did for thier global domination schemes here at home and will not tolerate another "loss" in the public relations front. The whole business is just discusting and waste of good people both here and there. I can barly read the papers.
 
The whole strategy is to have a US presence in the Middle East.

They are in this for the long run....

How long were British & US forces based in Europe...
 
Originally posted by: gtd2000
The whole strategy is to have a US presence in the Middle East.

They are in this for the long run....

How long were British & US forces based in Europe...

Queue "Ayatollah Khomeini part DEUX"
 
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: gtd2000
The whole strategy is to have a US presence in the Middle East.

They are in this for the long run....

How long were British & US forces based in Europe...

Queue "Ayatollah Khomeini part DEUX"

Pretty much. Wanna bet CIA shill Allawi wins this election? He will not ask us to leave like the overwhelmingly popular Al Sistani government would.
 
Antother story:http://www.washingtonpost.com/...Dec21?language=printer

Precision of Base Attack Worries Military Experts

By Thomas E. Ricks
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, December 22, 2004; Page A01


In April 2003, as the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq was ending, the Pentagon projected in a formal planning effort that the U.S. military occupation of the country would end this month.

Instead, December 2004 brought one of the deadliest single incidents of the war for U.S. forces. More than 80 casualties were suffered yesterday by U.S. troops, civilian contractors and Iraqi soldiers when a U.S. base near the northern Iraqi city of Mosul was blasted at lunchtime.

Defense officials said 15 of those killed in the attack on a mess tent at the city's airport were American soldiers -- more U.S. troops than have been lost in nearly any other major incident in the fighting, even during the spring 2003 invasion. Before yesterday, the worst incidents were the deaths of 17 soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division in the November 2003 collision of two UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters, also in Mosul, and, two weeks before that, the loss of 15 soldiers when a CH-47 Chinook transport helicopter crashed west of Baghdad. All three occurred after President Bush's May 2003 declaration that major combat operations in Iraq had ended.

The major difference between the latest attack and the earlier incidents is that it was an attack on a U.S. base, rather than on troops in transit in vulnerable aircraft. That difference appears to reflect both the persistence of the insurgency and its growing sophistication, as experts noted that it seemed to be based on precise intelligence. Most disturbingly, some officers who have served in Iraq worried that the Mosul attack could mark the beginning of a period of even more intense violence preceding the Iraqi elections scheduled for Jan. 30.

"On the strategic level, we were expecting an horrendous month leading up to the Iraqi elections, and that has begun," retired Army Col. Michael E. Hess said.

Jeffrey White, a former Defense Intelligence Agency analyst of Middle Eastern military affairs, said he is especially worried that the insurgents' next move will be an actual penetration by fighters into a base. "The real danger here is that they will mount a sophisticated effort to penetrate or assault one of our camps or bases with a ground element," he said.

If anti-American violence does hit a new level, pressure is likely to increase on the Bush administration to either boost the U.S. military presence in Iraq or find a fast way to get out.

The adequacy of current troop numbers is one of the questions provoked by yesterday's action, said Charles McComas, a veteran Special Forces soldier who served in Afghanistan before retiring. "Do we have the right forces and enough of them to do the offensive patrolling to reduce the chances of this happening again?" he asked.

A private-sector security expert who recently left Baghdad after more than a year there agreed, noting that the United States originally put an entire division in the Mosul area, the 101st Airborne, but replaced it earlier this year with a force about half that size, only to see insurgent attacks increase. "We have replaced a division with a brigade and think we can offer the same amount of security," he said, insisting on anonymity because his opinions are so at odds with the official U.S. government view.

The attack also indicates that the insurgency is growing more sophisticated with the passage of time. One of the basic principles of waging a counterinsurgency is that it requires patience. "Twenty-one months" -- the length of the occupation so far -- "is not a long time to tame the tribal warfare expected there," said retired Marine Lt. Col. Rick Raftery, an intelligence specialist who operated in northern Iraq in 1991. "My guess is that this will take 10 years."

Another principle, less noted but painfully clear yesterday, is that insurgents also tend to sharpen their tactics as time goes by. Over the past 20 months, enemy fighters have learned a lot about how the U.S. military operates and where its vulnerabilities lie.

"The longer you are anywhere, the more difficult it becomes," said Hess, who served in northern Iraq in 1991 and in Bosnia in 1996. "They have changed their tactics a lot in the year-plus."

Several experts noted that insurgents appear to have acted on accurate intelligence. Kalev Sepp, a former Special Forces counterinsurgency expert who recently returned from Iraq, noted that the attack "was carried out in daylight against the largest facility on the base, at exactly the time when the largest number of soldiers would be present."

"This combination of evidence indicates a good probability that the attack was well-planned and professionally executed," Sepp said.

A byproduct of such a strike is that it tends to drive a wedge between U.S. personnel and the Iraqis who work on the base. "I think that this tells us first that our base facilities are totally infiltrated by insiders who are passing the word on when and where we are most vulnerable to attack," said retired Marine Col. Edward Badolato, a security expert.

Not all experts were pessimistic. Retired Army Col. John Antal said he expects more spectacular attacks in the coming weeks, but mainly because "the enemy is on the ropes and desperate to stop the elections."

But others were throwing up their hands. "This sure isn't playing out like I thought it would," said retired Marine Lt. Col. Jay Stout, author of a book about the 1991 Persian Gulf War against Iraq, in which he fought. He said he is no longer confident about what the U.S. strategy in Iraq should be.

"We have few choices: We can maintain the status quo while trying to build an Iraqi government that will survive, we can get the hell out now and leave them to kill themselves, or we can adopt a more brutal and repressive stance."

His choice? "I don't know the right answer -- I gave up guessing a few months ago."



© 2004 The Washington Post Company
 
Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Aye. Irregardless of how long success may take, if it is indeed feasible, there is a larger problem.

The Bush administration is determined in its belief that this will end quickly, and are therefore not allocating anything for the future.

This has the potential to take up volumes in history textbooks one day🙁

1.US starts war
2. US adament that they will win quickly.
3.Coallition begins to reconsider the probability of such a rash assumption.
4.US continues to be arrogant.
5. another '40 years war'

this is hypothetical, but no at all improbable 🙁

Agreed. I don't have faith that the Bush administration is capable of planning a well thought out long-term occupation. I imagine that it could be done right, but probably will not.

There is also, of course, the religious factor.
 
See what I don't understand is if they wan't them out (us) and know the more they fight the longer we stay, why don't they stop fighting? Fsck terds...
 
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
See what I don't understand is if they wan't them out (us) and know the more they fight the longer we stay, why don't they stop fighting? Fsck terds...

I think that most of the population want the foreign troops out and have a peacefull country (these people don't fight). Then there's the ones that do fight. They can not allow Iraq to function well, because then they will loose their momentum and they probably doesn't think a western democracy is the best thing to have. They have the possibility to stop the attacks, but they will only do that when it benefits their own goal, namely controlling Iraq.
 
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
See what I don't understand is if they wan't them out (us) and know the more they fight the longer we stay, why don't they stop fighting? Fsck terds...

Imagine the US was invaded by China. American patriots engage in guerilla activities to drive them out. China says it will withdraw once attacks end. Do you believe them? Do you stop resisting? I did not think so.

We are the fscktards for believing Iraqis would welcome invasion and occupation.


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Bush Apologists of America (BAA): pulling the wool over their own eyes since 1980
 
Originally posted by: Ldir
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
See what I don't understand is if they wan't them out (us) and know the more they fight the longer we stay, why don't they stop fighting? Fsck terds...

Imagine the US was invaded by China. American patriots engage in guerilla activities to drive them out. China says it will withdraw once attacks end. Do you believe them? Do you stop resisting? I did not think so.

We are the fscktards for believing Iraqis would welcome invasion and occupation.


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Bush Apologists of America (BAA): pulling the wool over their own eyes since 1980

I second this.

I also think it might be a case of militants wanting to gain power of the country. If the government is new with little or no army, all you need is a Toyota hi-lux and a few friends with AK-47 + RPGs and you can control towns or even cities. This is exactly what is happening in many parts of africa.

How do you stop this? I don't know. If you kill one group of guys doing it, you can bet there are others who aspire to do the same thing so it won't be long until someone else tries the same thing.

I think they've opened up a case of worms here as they cannot back out from this, but it really doesn't look like any kind of solution is going to come for a significant time period.

Good luck to all those there and condolences to the families of those who haven't/won't return.
 
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