(Dead) Khypermedia 8x DVD+RW burner for $14.99 ARs or $5.99 ARs & AC at Officemax

[tcsenter]

It's says "Please be careful to select the correct product so we can ensure you receive your rebate reward'. That's clearly talking about "the product meaning in this case the Khypermedia 8x DVD+RW drive, it's does not say select 'a' rebate.

I don't know why I even bother wasting good glucose entering discussions with people who can't even read or comprehend simple English.

Both rebates are for the same drive. Why in the hell would one need to "be careful to select the correct product" when there is no choice of "product" in the sense you interpret it? What there is a choice of are rebate offers.

You are correct that it does not say 'select a rebate'. It states "select a promotion" (same difference). Let's look at the actual language one more time:

Step 2 of 7 - Select a Promotion

Please be careful to select the correct product so we can ensure you receive your rebate award.

See anything common or consistent in the language? Taken together, what one is being asked to "select" is obviously not the drive but promotions, since there is only a choice of promotions, not a choice of drives from which one might possibly select. They are calling the promotion a "product".

Here is a virtually identical offer:

Mad Dog MultiMedia Dominator 4-in-1 Drive (Item# 20681870)

Limited time: Save $30 with $10 Instant Rebate and $20 Back by Mail. Final Price: $39.98. Mail-in Rebate Valid 7/25 - 7/31. Click here for rebate information.

When you search the Office Max Rebate Center for SKU# 20681870, guess what you get? Two different rebate offers; one rebate for $30 and another for $20. Only one of which may be submitted, the $20 rebate expressly being offered.

At the top of the online printable rebate form, it states:

"The product you selected is available in multiple promotions. Please read the promotion details carefully and only submit the form that matches your purchase. If you submit the incorrect form your rebate will not be valid."

This statement is much more clear than the language used in the DVD-RW rebate page, but it follows the same idea: select a promotion, not multiple promotions. You do understand the difference between singular and plural, yes?

You have your opinion and I have mines nothing wrong with that and I will leave it at that...

You are perfectly entitled to have stupid opinions and express them 24 hours a day. Nobody is suggesting you don't have that right.

I have the right to point-out that your opinion is completely void of any merit, logic, reason, or facts, and is completely at odds with the language of the promotion being offered, both expressed and implied. Effective communication is an art and you're drawing stick men.

...but most hot dealer will say "hey, it wil only cost me a 37 cent stamp to send in the second rebate I might as well go for it.

Unless your fraudulent rebate strategy causes a person to lose both $25 rebates, which can and does happen.

 

[rockable]

Thanks !

 

[MysticMan1]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

Q]You are perfectly entitled to have stupid opinions and express them 24 hours a day. Nobody is suggesting you don't have that right.

I have the right to point-out that your opinion is completely void of any merit, logic, reason, or facts, and is completely at odds with the language of the promotion being offered, both expressed and implied. Effective communication is an art and you're drawing stick men.

The Mysticman doesn't call other Anandtech menbers names, so you will have to go down that road by yourself. take care and have a nice day.

 

[tcsenter]

The Mysticman doesn't call other Anandtech menbers names so you will have to go down that road by yourself. take care and have a nice day.

lol! That's good. Mysticman couldn't afford to start taking the risk of calling other Anandtech members names because Mysticman already has his foot in his mouth up to his knee that he is choking on it.

I, however, can afford to call names because I am unequivocally right. Its called "making a simple observation" about another.

If you tried this, it would be called "I'm an idiot who has no argument so I'll start calling names."

Two very different things. Good choice. No sense humiliating yourself even further, as though it were possible.

 

[gnubea]

how can you tell if the one that you are buying is a benQ one ? Thanks.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

The Mysticman doesn't call other Anandtech menbers names so you will have to go down that road by yourself. take care and have a nice day.

lol! That's good. Mysticman couldn't afford to start taking the risk of calling other Anandtech members names because Mysticman already has his foot in his mouth up to his knee that he is choking on it.

I, however, can afford to call names because I am unequivocally right. Its called "making a simple observation" about another.

If you tried this, it would be called "I'm an idiot who has no argument so I'll start calling names."

Two very different things. Good choice. No sense humiliating yourself even further, as though it were possible.

You know, I seem to recall several threads where you decided to stoop to simple name-calling, in order to try to "prove" a point, that you were unequivocally correct, and yet, you seem to make simple word-association reading comprehension mistakes. Like not properly discerning what the actual object of a sentence is.

Or claiming that obtaining a URL on a site was "impossible", when all you had to do was increment the last digit of one of the URLs, to find the other links.

If you are going to flame someone, at least have a clue, please.

And as far as this ridiculous go-around - didn't OM actually list both rebates on the product page at one point? If so, that's part of the advertised promotion of the product.

Having a phrase "Select a promotion" on a rebate-status page, is nothing more than a boilerplate phrase, like a title/header on a selection menu. Standard UI design. Unless there is exclusionary wording on the legal terms and conditions of the rebate itself , then some standard phrase on a web-page selection-menu UI has nebulous legal connotations at best to what that page links to.

PS. It really is amusing, to watch you accuse others, of the very same things that you do. I believe that there is a word for that in the dictionary, actually. Maybe you should look it up some time.

PPS. I believe that calling members on this board names, is ground for a vacation, if I'm not mistaken.

:disgust:

 

[TheRealDeal]

gnubea, the Benq drive say "made in Malaysia" on the side of the box. The Cyberdrive one says "Made in China". I have the Cyberdrive and its a really good drive for cheap. The only problem is it doesn't burn DVD-R yet.

 

[ScrapSilicon]

Originally posted by: TheRealDeal
gnubea, the Benq drive say "made in Malaysia" on the side of the box. The Cyberdrive one says "Made in China". I have the Cyberdrive and its a really good drive for cheap. The only problem is it doesn't burn DVD-R yet.

well..finally did it..DW800A ..R.I.P. ..Age 6 months..output 1523 [ 22 coasters of this amt..last 5 using various media (which other disks from same batch subsequently worked well in its successor) just had multiple types of failures resulting in coasters even @ 2.4x ] ..
I still say the DW800A is an excellent drive

 

[NightCrawler]

Anybody notice the UPC label has a extra 6 in it:

6 37668 04817 6 <---- box
6 37668 6 04817 6 <---- rebate

Seem funny ?

 

[NightCrawler]

Originally posted by: ScrapSilicon

Originally posted by: TheRealDeal
gnubea, the Benq drive say "made in Malaysia" on the side of the box. The Cyberdrive one says "Made in China". I have the Cyberdrive and its a really good drive for cheap. The only problem is it doesn't burn DVD-R yet.

well..finally did it..DW800A ..R.I.P. ..Age 6 months..output 1523 [ 22 coasters of this amt..last 5 using various media (which other disks from same batch subsequently worked well in its successor) just had multiple types of failures resulting in coasters even @ 2.4x ] ..
I still say the DW800A is an excellent drive

Burning Average 8 per day probably didn't help, wonder if the 1 year warranty would be useful to get another one?

 

[NightCrawler]

BTW: Retail burners are NOT designed to be used in continous duty like 50 or more per day.

 

[NightCrawler]

Originally posted by: ScrapSilicon

Originally posted by: TheRealDeal
gnubea, the Benq drive say "made in Malaysia" on the side of the box. The Cyberdrive one says "Made in China". I have the Cyberdrive and its a really good drive for cheap. The only problem is it doesn't burn DVD-R yet.

well..finally did it..DW800A ..R.I.P. ..Age 6 months..output 1523 [ 22 coasters of this amt..last 5 using various media (which other disks from same batch subsequently worked well in its successor) just had multiple types of failures resulting in coasters even @ 2.4x ] ..
I still say the DW800A is an excellent drive

Did you burn most of them at 8x or 4x or 2.4x, I would presume that 8x burning would wear the burner out faster?

 

[ScrapSilicon]

Originally posted by: NightCrawler

Originally posted by: ScrapSilicon

Originally posted by: TheRealDeal
gnubea, the Benq drive say "made in Malaysia" on the side of the box. The Cyberdrive one says "Made in China". I have the Cyberdrive and its a really good drive for cheap. The only problem is it doesn't burn DVD-R yet.

well..finally did it..DW800A ..R.I.P. ..Age 6 months..output 1523 [ 22 coasters of this amt..last 5 using various media (which other disks from same batch subsequently worked well in its successor) just had multiple types of failures resulting in coasters even @ 2.4x ] ..
I still say the DW800A is an excellent drive

Did you burn most of them at 8x or 4x or 2.4x, I would presume that 8x burning would wear the burner out faster?

70% @ 8x ..as low as 2.4x due to media..

 

[tcsenter]

You know, I seem to recall several threads where you decided to stoop to simple name-calling, in order to try to "prove" a point, that you were unequivocally correct, and yet, you seem to make simple word-association reading comprehension mistakes. Like not properly discerning what the actual object of a sentence is.

Or claiming that obtaining a URL on a site was "impossible", when all you had to do was increment the last digit of one of the URLs, to find the other links.

Hi Larry! Your recollection, as usual, is hopelessly distorted beyond redemption. Now you and I both know that you do not want me to actually find those discussions, repost my exact statements, proving to a new audience - again - that you are either a pathological liar or totally incompetent in areas of logic and reason, causing you to misrepresent statements nobody but pathological liars or imbeciles would misread or misrepresent. So do yourself a favor and quit while you're behind, eh?

Having a phrase "Select a promotion" on a rebate-status page, is nothing more than a boilerplate phrase, like a title/header on a selection menu. Standard UI design. Unless there is exclusionary wording on the legal terms and conditions of the rebate itself , then some standard phrase on a web-page selection-menu UI has nebulous legal connotations at best to what that page links to.

Once again you show that your capacity for essential reason and logic is distorted beyond belief and you suffer from a material detachment from reality. If there is one thing that could be said in your favor, you're persistent. But then again, its the kind of persistence a fly has when it bangs itself relentlessly against a window until it bludgeons itself to death.

PPS. I believe that calling members on this board names, is ground for a vacation, if I'm not mistaken.

Again, there is a difference between calling names and making truthful statements or observations. This is why I have yet to receive a single warning in all my years of name-calling on AT. There are no prohibitions on telling the truth, even the ugly truth.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

You know, I seem to recall several threads where you decided to stoop to simple name-calling, in order to try to "prove" a point, that you were unequivocally correct, and yet, you seem to make simple word-association reading comprehension mistakes. Like not properly discerning what the actual object of a sentence is.

Or claiming that obtaining a URL on a site was "impossible", when all you had to do was increment the last digit of one of the URLs, to find the other links.

Hi Larry! Your recollection, as usual, is hopelessly distorted beyond redemption.

Really now. I do remember two threads (at least - ones that I was involved in) in which you suddenly decided to stoop to name-calling, for sudden lack of a better method to assert your position in the discussion.

I also remember someone posting in a certain thread that they found out a simple way to obtain a URL, that you claimed was "impossible" to do so.

Originally posted by: tcsenter
Now you and I both know that you do not want me to actually find those discussions, repost my exact statements

Go right ahead. I don't believe that I've ever said anything on these boards that I would be afraid of repeating.

Originally posted by: tcsenter
, proving to a new audience - again - that you are either a pathological liar or totally incompetent in areas of logic and reason, causing you to misrepresent statements nobody but pathological liars or imbeciles would misread or misrepresent.

I don't know, I thought that I had a perfectly reasonable grasp of the english language. How about you? The only thing that bringing up those threads would prove, is my assertion about your tendency to stoop to name-calling, which IMHO is both childish and totally unnecessary.

Oh, and for the record, I am not, nor I have I ever been, "a pathological liar", thanks. I don't appreciate totally-unfounded accusatory remarks directed at me, and I think that it is highly uncalled for. Then again, from what I have seen of your actions in the past, it's basically par for the course. Your plan of action for discussion must look like "go straight for the ad-hominim", I guess.

Originally posted by: tcsenter
So do yourself a favor and quit while you're behind, eh?

You also do have a tendency to use cliche phrases like those to attempt to "prove a point" to the lesser minds in the audience by those assertions, but I have faith in the intellegence of the AT reader community that they see right through those transparent attempts at manipulating the reader towards your POV, and instead can see the bigger picture.

Originally posted by: tcsenter
Once again you show that your capacity for essential reason and logic is distorted beyond belief and you suffer from a material detachment from reality. If there is one thing that could be said in your favor, you're persistent. But then again, its the kind of persistence a fly has when it bangs itself relentlessly against a window until it bludgeons itself to death.

Uhm, mirror, look into it, thanks. That's exactly what I was talking about.

So, cutting out all of the personal attacks, what are the actual terms and conditions of the rebates? Do they prohibit sending in both of them? The text on the "parent" web page is not part of the "legal offer", only the T&amp;C of the actual offer are what matters.

PPS. I believe that calling members on this board names, is ground for a vacation, if I'm not mistaken.

Again, there is a difference between calling names and making truthful statements or observations. This is why I have yet to receive a single warning in all my years of name-calling on AT. There are no prohibitions on telling the truth, even the ugly truth.[/quote]

So, therefore, you take the fact that you haven't been 'vactioned' for name-calling, as "proof" of the fact that the statements that you have made, are "truth"? That's some pretty nebulous logic there. Seems a bit ironic too, since you are the one accusing others of things like distorted logic.

PS. MysticMan, I apologize for butting in to your thread about this, I guess because I also have had a few thread run-ins with this tcsenter person that it bothered me that he was asserting that you were posting a somehow fraudulent deal. Perhaps the best course of action, would be to contact the rebate center or the company to find out if both promotions can be combined? That of course would also run the risk of possibly nixing this deal for everyone, which I would be loath to do. But I'm not sure that a concrete answer would be forthcoming otherwise. I leave it your hands what to do about this, I'm through with this otherwise tangential discussion.

 

[ccbadd]

TheRealDeal said:

The only problem is it doesn't burn DVD-R yet.

I currently have the 150B firmware installed that does indeed support -R writing on the Cyberdrive DX082D, just not very well yet. It is a beta firmware that should be completed fairly soon.. The drawbacks are that is only works with Nero 6.0.0.21B that is bundled with the drive, no newer versions, and the write quality is not worth messing with right now.

 

[NightCrawler]

Originally posted by: ccbadd
TheRealDeal said:

The only problem is it doesn't burn DVD-R yet.

I currently have the 150B firmware installed that does indeed support -R writing on the Cyberdrive DX082D, just not very well yet. It is a beta firmware that should be completed fairly soon.. The drawbacks are that is only works with Nero 6.0.0.21B that is bundled with the drive, no newer versions, and the write quality is not worth messing with right now.

+R and +RW media is cheap enough now that it really doesn't matter anymore.

 

[MysticMan1]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry


PS. MysticMan, I apologize for butting in to your thread about this, I guess because I also have had a few thread run-ins with this tcsenter person that it bothered me that he was asserting that you were posting a somehow fraudulent deal. Perhaps the best course of action, would be to contact the rebate center or the company to find out if both promotions can be combined? That of course would also run the risk of possibly nixing this deal for everyone, which I would be loath to do. But I'm not sure that a concrete answer would be forthcoming otherwise. I leave it your hands what to do about this, I'm through with this otherwise tangential discussion.

Larry there's no need to apologize everything cool, there's always at least one like him in every forum, just ignore him (I know I am) and eventually he will get tired of talking to himself and go away.

BTY: As long as both rebate have different offer numbers they are both good, as far as calling OM, since the 2 rebate forms are linked on OM's web site I'm sure that a a lot of people who have never heard of a hot deal forum have already called OM the asked about the 2 rebate forms and yet OM still has the rebates linked on the Khypermedia drive page.
The tricky part with the rebates is sending in a copy of the UPC code with one of the $25 rebate, what I would do is add a note saying that there was 2 rebate for the drive and I had to send in the original UPC code in with the other rebate.

 

[tcsenter]

Go right ahead. I don't believe that I've ever said anything on these boards that I would be afraid of repeating.

Your choice. The discussion in question was the infamous Valvoline SynPower Promotion that was never offered or promoted to the public. You have asserted I made the following claims pursuant to the Valvoline discussion:

I also remember someone posting in a certain thread that they found out a simple way to obtain a URL, that you claimed was "impossible" to do so.

Or claiming that obtaining a URL on a site was "impossible", when all you had to do was increment the last digit of one of the URLs, to find the other links.

First and foremost, the word you have explicitly placed within quotation marks and ascribed to me, "impossible", never appears in that discussion. Not once. Not even its opposing inflection, "possible", appears in that discussion. Not once. I submit this as Exhibit A of Virtual Larry's failed recollection or deliberate dishonesty. Moving on to Exhibit B...

Here are my actual statements on the question of how the Valvoline promotion URL came into the public domain:

I went to Valvoline's website the day this discussion started. I spent 15 minutes looking for a link to or mention of this rebate on Valvoline's website, but could not find it, even though the page was still accessible if you input its URL.

I even went to the "Rebates" link from the drop-down menu, which pointed to http://www.valvoline.com/pages/rebates/, but clicking on that link resolved back to Valvoline's product page with no mention of this rebate offer.

It appears that members of the public could not have found this rebate or known of its existence by any means other than knowing the specific URL to access the page. My question is, HOW did this URL become in the public knowledge?

Unequivocally, no where do I state or even imply "obtaining a URL on a site was impossible" or that it was "impossible" for someone to have obtained the URL for the promotion, whether by a "simple way" or otherwise. If it had been my position that this were impossible, this discussion would never have taken place to begin with because a URL which is "impossible" to obtain would never have managed to become the subject of discussion now....would it?

My point was, as anyone can clearly find for themselves by reviewing that discussion, this URL was "leaked" by someone who had knowledge of the promotion. This URL was not 'accidentally' stumbled upon by someone randomly entering letters and numbers into a URL field because they were bored, the preposterous explanation you undeniably suggested.

A statement released by Valvoline a few weeks later validated my explanation that this URL had come to be publicly known because it was leaked by someone with knowledge of the promotion, who may or may not have known the offer was not open to the public when they decided to share it with others. In either case, whether the person was or was not aware of the restricted nature of the promotion, has no bearing.

In disseminating the promotion's URL to others, he was acting neither as an agent nor on behalf of Valvoline, without the knowledge or approval of Valvoline. Ergo: Valvoline never made this offer to the public. Whomever decided to share this URL with others is the party guilty of 'offering' this promotion to the public. By no feat of logic or fact of law is Valvoline obligated to honor submissions of rebates by persons to whom Valvoline did not extend or offer the promotion.

That my boy, in the legal world, is known as an open-and-shut case. The prosecution rests in the case of Truth vs. Virtual Larry.

 

[NightCrawler]

Anybody send all three ?

 

[uglywolf]

I did. Online rebate status at rebateshq.com says I need to send in the original UPC to the stated address. I wasted 37 cents but it was worth the shot.

 

[MysticMan1]

Originally posted by: uglywolf
I did. Online rebate status at rebateshq.com says I need to send in the original UPC to the stated address. I wasted 37 cents but it was worth the shot.

OK now that you know the status of your rebate here is what to do next:
Dial this number: 1-800-477-3314 press 2, to check status, then press 2, (submitted more than six weeks); after pressing 2, just sit and wait, it'll ask for you to enter several things (rebate tracking number, or phone number) "but don't do anything". It'll then go through several other automated responses, but eventually you will hear "the next available representative will be with you shortly." When you reach the CSR they will ask for the tracking number for your rebate to see the rebate status, you then tell the CSR that you had to send in a copy of the CPU code because there were 2 rebates for the Khypermedia 8x DVD+RW drive and since there was only one UPC code on the box you had to send the orginal UPC code in with the other rebate offer and send in a copy of the CPU code in with this rebate offer.
If for some reason the CSR say they still need the orginal UPC code then say OK, hang up, wait awhile then call back and talk to a different CSR, if you are not successful after several call on the next rejection call ask to talk to the supervisor.
I have done this 6 or 7 times in the past and gotten my rebate status changed to approved everytime and only once did I have to talk to a supervisor.

 

[ReiAyanami]

mine was a cyberdrive, got updated to 14SB firmware, device properties does not indicate whether it added DVD-R, anybody know before i dump money on a spindle of DVD-R's?

 

[MysticMan1]

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
mine was a cyberdrive, got updated to 14SB firmware, device properties does not indicate whether it added DVD-R, anybody know before i dump money on a spindle of DVD-R's?

Have you checked your local OM store to see if they had a BenQ version of Khypermedia drive in stock that you could exchange the cyberdrive for.

 

[NightCrawler]

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
mine was a cyberdrive, got updated to 14SB firmware, device properties does not indicate whether it added DVD-R, anybody know before i dump money on a spindle of DVD-R's?

Don't bother with DVD-R, the plus is exactly the same and the media is just as cheap now a days.

About .40 cents a disc.