wow, that is sad if you're not even going to look at it. I got mine today and i'm in love... although I'd probably be more in love with the 2000 if I could afford it.
zero dead pixels. no ghosting. bright, sharp, happy-making. excellllent
zero dead pixels. no ghosting. bright, sharp, happy-making. excellllent
If you see ghosting on your LCD, it's because you're using an analog signal. Some analog cards are fine, others show ghosting. But if you use a DVI card you will have razor sharp text. I basically consider DVI a necessity with > 15" LCDs.
while I would love to have a 2000fp, the cost is prohibitive
. If the composite and svideo input is what you want, then you are probably going to be dissapointed, since you are probably going to use this thing for some type of video feed (tv, xbox, ps2, etc.) First, the PIP features requires the use of the buttons on front of monitor. Second, 350:1 is not very good for any kind of video - compared to a TV (same with the 1800fp - sorry guys - i know - i have one). Third, the composite won't scale HDTV resolutions correctly (i modes and definitely not the p modes). You will need a video processor like the viewsonic N6 to properly display HDTV, which in fact, uses the regular RGB output method to connect to ANY LCD or CRT. And since the viewsonic N6 scales to 1280x1024 resolution, the 1800fp will look much better than the 2000fp when using N6(since the 2000fp's native resolution is 1600x1200).BTW. He can't look at the screen because under Dell Small Business, they have a restocking fee. Only way is to reject it from UPS... but I bet they might try to charge him 15% restock anyway ...
The goody is from my recent experience, dell will replace it as many times you want for 30 days... and the service is next day. Unbelieveable in the industry...
Now that you mention it, i did get the munchies after I installed mine. LOL
I have a couple questions/problems/complaints, whatever you call them. First(I posted this in the OS forum, but I will reiterate it here)the bar at the top of programs in Win XP, the one that contains the file, edit, view etc menus and other toolbars at the top of the screen. On the default XP color scheme, is that bar one uniform color or does it fade from like a white to a more milky, almost yellow white. I hadn't noticed this on my CRT, but then I never looked that hard on my CRT, not to mention this screen is bigger. But yeah my bar seems to go from white on the left side and fades into a more milky white. I am assuming its the bar and not the monitor, since I only notice it in the bar, not directly below it or anywhere else.
Secondly I set up cleartype(maybe I did it wrong, i don't know) and my text looked all fuzzy, this is on DVI. So I turned off cleartype and just made the text slightly bigger and it looks fine now, so thats okay.
Lastly, I have only played 2 games on this so far. NOLF2, which is kinda slow moving, but I see no ghosting. The other being age of mythology, which i didn't expect ghosting to factor in at all with this game. But when i scroll across the map it blurs. Its not so bad I can't play, but it is more bothersome then on my CRT.
I still love it though, thanks for the deal.
Oh yeah as far as I can tell I have no dead pixels, at first I didn't know how big a pixel was, so i didn't know how noticeable they would be, but i got in real close to the monitor and I can actually see the screendoor effect, so I can see each pixel, so once I knew what to look for, i did and found none, stuck or dead. Thanks again
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Well mine has 2 dead sub-pixels and 1 fully dead pixel, they are not bad but I called Dell about it anyways...figuring I might as
well take advantage of their exchange warranty.
I was told that the 1800FP has been discontinued and she could not order another for a replacment, she offered me a full credit
or I could buy something else.
So no more 1800FPs.
well take advantage of their exchange warranty.
I was told that the 1800FP has been discontinued and she could not order another for a replacment, she offered me a full credit
or I could buy something else.
So no more 1800FPs.
The ClearType issue is documented in Dell's forums as well, but I can't seem to actually find an answer anywhere. I have the same problem, using a DVI connection (and analog). I'm not sure if cleartype is meant to work with analog or not. anyway, I ran through Microsoft's ClearType calibration tool, got no improvement, and gave up. I figure the regular text looks good enough (stellar, actually).
This is definitely a great monitor for the sub $400 price point. I miss my 1600x1200 I was running on my CRT, but it's not killing me; if a deal like this comes up again I definitely recommend people jumping on it.
Originally posted by: BentValve
My DVI bag smells like Marajuana.
Mine smells like dead skunk.
-Steve
Maybe I'm the only one to do this, but...
I have my new 1800FP sitting side by side with my High quality Hitachi CM772 19" CRT. I'm running them both off my Abit Siluro Ti4400 using nVidia nView(v41.09 drivers). The Hitachi using the Analog out and the 1800FP using the DVI out. Note that both these monitors cost me just over $400.
This allows me to really see and compare the 1800FP to a good CRT using the same video card. Here is my take on it.
1) Text: I can't understand how folks say the text is clearer on an LCD. There is really no comparison. The CRT text is smooth and easy to read. The LCD is easy to read, but grannier than the CRT. Don't get me wrong, it is not bad, just that there is a noticable difference when sitting side by side. Even my wife could see the difference. The advantage the LCD has is that the contract is better(see contract below). So the black text on a white background looks sharp. The actual text itself is not as smooth as the CRT. (ps. I will try different freq(60, 70, 85) and see there is a difference. I think I'm running 60, but will confirm).
2)Color: I give them equal ratings here. I was able to play with the color setting for both monitors and get them to match up nearly exactly. So whatever you want, you should be able to create(assuming you have a good video card). I did notice that the LCD tended to want to display too much red(I think someone else mentioned the same thing also), but again, I was able to adjust it to my liking.
3)Constrast: Clear winner here is the 1800FP. The blacks are blacker and the whites are whiter. If fact I was so surprised by how much better the LCD was I popped in my UT2003 and played with the monitors in Clone mode. Images on the LCD were flat out more clear and looked nicer. I spent about 2 hours playing with the contract and colors on my Hitachi to attempt to duplicate the quality of the 1800FP in UT2003, but only could get close. The 1800FP beat the CRT hands down here.
4)Ghosting: Don't let them tell you otherwise. Ghosting the CRT is zero, perfect, none. Ghosting on the LCD is there and noticable. What I mean by noticable is that in clone mode and playing UT2003, I would move side to side with an object in my view. The object would have texture(in this case lines up and down). When I moved I could continue to see the lines clearly on the CRT. On the 1800FP, it would blur and the details of the image would be lost. It is a minor issue and would not impacts play much, but must be stated.
The results here shocked me because I have read that text is clearer on LCD, but color is better on CRTs. Just not the case in my set up. In all I really like the 1800FP(I like my CM772 also). It would be toss up if I had to choose. However I can see that a similar Flat Panel with say 16ms response and slightly better text quality and the CRT becomes a dinasour(which I think we already know if going to happen).
I will play with this set up some more and I do have some nView questions, but will pose them later.
I have my new 1800FP sitting side by side with my High quality Hitachi CM772 19" CRT. I'm running them both off my Abit Siluro Ti4400 using nVidia nView(v41.09 drivers). The Hitachi using the Analog out and the 1800FP using the DVI out. Note that both these monitors cost me just over $400.
This allows me to really see and compare the 1800FP to a good CRT using the same video card. Here is my take on it.
1) Text: I can't understand how folks say the text is clearer on an LCD. There is really no comparison. The CRT text is smooth and easy to read. The LCD is easy to read, but grannier than the CRT. Don't get me wrong, it is not bad, just that there is a noticable difference when sitting side by side. Even my wife could see the difference. The advantage the LCD has is that the contract is better(see contract below). So the black text on a white background looks sharp. The actual text itself is not as smooth as the CRT. (ps. I will try different freq(60, 70, 85) and see there is a difference. I think I'm running 60, but will confirm).
2)Color: I give them equal ratings here. I was able to play with the color setting for both monitors and get them to match up nearly exactly. So whatever you want, you should be able to create(assuming you have a good video card). I did notice that the LCD tended to want to display too much red(I think someone else mentioned the same thing also), but again, I was able to adjust it to my liking.
3)Constrast: Clear winner here is the 1800FP. The blacks are blacker and the whites are whiter. If fact I was so surprised by how much better the LCD was I popped in my UT2003 and played with the monitors in Clone mode. Images on the LCD were flat out more clear and looked nicer. I spent about 2 hours playing with the contract and colors on my Hitachi to attempt to duplicate the quality of the 1800FP in UT2003, but only could get close. The 1800FP beat the CRT hands down here.
4)Ghosting: Don't let them tell you otherwise. Ghosting the CRT is zero, perfect, none. Ghosting on the LCD is there and noticable. What I mean by noticable is that in clone mode and playing UT2003, I would move side to side with an object in my view. The object would have texture(in this case lines up and down). When I moved I could continue to see the lines clearly on the CRT. On the 1800FP, it would blur and the details of the image would be lost. It is a minor issue and would not impacts play much, but must be stated.
The results here shocked me because I have read that text is clearer on LCD, but color is better on CRTs. Just not the case in my set up. In all I really like the 1800FP(I like my CM772 also). It would be toss up if I had to choose. However I can see that a similar Flat Panel with say 16ms response and slightly better text quality and the CRT becomes a dinasour(which I think we already know if going to happen).
I will play with this set up some more and I do have some nView questions, but will pose them later.
Originally posted by: BentValve
BTW they are sending me another unit, at first they did not want to because the Part Numbers did not match but
the very nice CS I spoke with worked it out and its on its way. She said keep returning them until I get a perfect one.
THat's similar to the response I received -- fantastic. I would pay an extra $100-200 just for this kind of service, especially since alot of stores have a bad pixel LCD policy. Even newegg has a 8 bad pixel before return/exchange policy on many of their lcds!
I received my replacement next day - all shipping/return shipping prepaid. No bad pixels! Even beats microsoft on my xbox return process, which I had to do twice. They shipped it out 2nd day.
It's probably because the LCD's dots are much larger - 0.28mm, whereas the crt is usually 0.24mm -thus smoother edged. You should see how smooth the uxga laptops are with a dot pitch of 0.15mm. Toshiba has one with 0.135mm!
Originally posted by: BentValve
My DVI bag smells like Marajuana.
Wierd, I was thinking the exact same thing!
Anyways this is a great monitor
.Still haven't gotten mine . Ordered on the 6th. UPS tracking shows scheduled delivery of today, but no attempts were made. Last activity on the tracking was the 11th. I fear the worst .
. Ordered on the 6th. UPS tracking shows scheduled delivery of today, but no attempts were made. Last activity on the tracking was the 11th. I fear the worst .Mine is;
MX-07R477
Rev. A00
Manufactured February 2003
Assembled in Mexico.
Haven't hooked it up yet. Hopefully this weekend.
MX-07R477
Rev. A00
Manufactured February 2003
Assembled in Mexico.
Haven't hooked it up yet. Hopefully this weekend.
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My 1800FP is sitting next to my Sony G520P 21" monitor on an analog MSI Ti4200....I have been thru 4 or 5 different cards
in search of perfect 2D, my Sony G520P puts a person in a unique position , not too many monitors will show in such detail
as to show all of a video cards flaws, its gross just how many cards are under performers in 2D.
I feel that text is overall easier to read on the LCD because of the lack of any screen glare and the way the screen is lit but really I cannot quite
put my finger on the reason why...I am gonna have to stir this one around abit.
While the 1800FP is not even remotely close to coming to the color ability of my G520P it is much better than my laptop LCD..I like it.
The blacks and greyscale ability are slightly better than on my laptop LCD but again cannot match the blacks that my G520P produces.
The G520P shows the real deal, its not really fair to compare the 1800FP to it in colors and blacks. If I had to put a number on it I would
say the 1800FP is 30% of the way there. That may sound harsh but its not, there are many CRT monitors out there that would score
worse against the Sony.
The contrast is really nice on the LCD but again it does not match my Sony. The 1800FP does have that quality that I cannot quite put
my finger on that makes the contrast seem more than it is. Playing UT2K3 on the 1800FP is ok but not the immersive experence it is
on my Sony. Its hard to explain but if you had my Sony for a few weeks you would understand the level of quality I am talking about.
I am pretty happy with this dept. , I expected worse and compared to other LCDs I have seen I am very happy with the 1800FPs
minimal ghosting.
If I had to choose I would take my Sony , LCDs are a million years away from matching the video quality that a CRT can produce...I say a
million years because I do not think the technology can match it, I think its going to take something else and I believe the industry knows
that and that is why new technologies are being explored.
I love the 1800FP , the text is nice (although you do have to mess with drivers, settings etc to get it right).
The color is better than I expected and the blacks are about what I expected , the greyscale performace is worse
than I expected (2 hundred trillion miles away from my Sony in the greyscale dept).
The contrast is nice and the brightness is excellent.
An LCD could never replace a good AG CRT for graphic work and games period...I cannot believe that for a
few seconds I thought that an LCD could be all purpose.
My conclusion is that this will make a wonderful internet , data and general purpose monitor that is nice and easy on the
eyes for those long 12 hours at the PC days.
Basically I have two choices , 1 LCD and 1 G520P or 2 G520Ps which I have set-up right now...
unfortunatly I cannot afford all three so one of the dual G520Ps is going to go.
Sony G520P and a Dell 1800FP ...a perfect combination ,I cannot live without either one.
I seem to recall hearing that dell was selling off these 1800FP's so they could intorduce a new model with a lower(16ms i think) response time. Maybe the new one is that. But I could be wrong
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