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BenJeremy

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Big warning on using Rakuten with anything but PayPal.

Massive credit Card fraud going on now with any credit cards used in Rakuten purchases.
 
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question for people that have done these promotions in the past - once the bonus points clear the system and show up in account, do the remove the initial base points you get for just buying the item?
 

philipma1957

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question for people that have done these promotions in the past - once the bonus points clear the system and show up in account, do the remove the initial base points you get for just buying the item?

depends this promo pops up with 30 x points right away and that is all you get. but some promos are the stock 5x points and then an add-on of 5000 in that case the 5x points stay and the add-on of 5000 is that.

They ran a promo like this 10 or 15 days ago from memorial day. My oder was 203 I got 5x points = 1015 then 5000 add-on total of 6015 to spend.


this order I grabbed 2x cpus at ( 400 Rounded) it went right to 12000 point or 30x. these 4570's look like a nice ht cpu.

hell they have the 799 usd mac mini quad for 779 it earns 23000 points that is about 560 for a 800 dollar machine
 

Zap

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Big warning on using Rakuten with anything but PayPal.

Massive credit Card fraud going on now with any credit cards used in Rakuten purchases.

I recall someone mentioned they purchased from a marketplace seller that wasn't "buy.com" which got the fraud. Not sure if that was true.

Note that using PayPal invalidates the promo code.

question for people that have done these promotions in the past - once the bonus points clear the system and show up in account, do the remove the initial base points you get for just buying the item?

If it is an X%, you get one set of points for the purchase. So you get 5% w/o the code, or "up to 30%" with the code. You don't get both.
 

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Rakuten /Buy.com Fraudulent Use of Credit Card Info within Company



USERS REPORTING FRAUD AFTER RAKUTEN ORDER: 244 (AND GROWING)


# OF DAYS RAKUTEN ALERTED TO THIS SECURITY BREACH BY SD USERS WITHOUT ANY RESOLUTION: 22


Many posts within SlickDeals have multiple threads about fraudulent credit card account transactions occurring within a few weeks of placing an order at Rakuten Buy.com. If you have been affected, please post your experience here so the magnitude of Rakuten Buy.com's security breach and the impact on the affected Rakuten customers may be known. (Please save other issues, either regarding Rakuten, or other issues with credit card misuse to other posts.)

If you are one of the affected Rakuten customers and you haven't already made a post in this thread, and you're further worried about giving any specific details, please at least be counted in the group (with a brief post) so that the running tally of affected SD Users can be more known. For all users, please use caution and verify company e-mail addresses (or user histories) before responding to private messages and e-mails and providing any potentially sensitive information.





Summary of the conclusions made by the contributors of this forum
:


(1) Identity thieves have obtained SSN #'s from Rakuten Customers
[Ref: News Story & NJ Police Interview http://www.northjersey.com/news/B...l?page=all -- 'AnnoyedwithRakuten']
[Ref: Additionally http://www.bergendispatch.com/art...arges.aspx]
[Ref: 'scotthall3411' Post #462, etc.]


(2) Many other users have been affected outside of the SlickDeals community
[Ref: Specialized Site Now Available: http://rakutenfraud.com/]


(3) The security breach is not limited to just customers who placed orders. Several have reported credit card details were taken from their Rakuten My Account screen.
[Ref: 'Cletus81' Post #435, 'missmex1' Post #445]


(4) The security breach was not at the credit card payment processing agent.
[Ref: 'mirai' Post #437]


(5) Customers using credit, debit cards and Gift Cards have been affected.
[Ref: Thread postings and external sites.]


(6) Almost 100% of all fraud reports are from customers who gave Rakuten their credit (or debit) card directly (rather than using payment gateways or other payment methods (gift cards, etc.)
[Ref: Thread postings.]


(7) Many customers were able to uniquely identify Rakuten as the source of the credit card theft.
[Ref: Many thread postings from customers using a one-time Virtual Credit Card Number, a new credit card only used at Rakuten, or a new Gift Card.]


(8) Rakuten Buy.com has yet to admit to any security breach having occurred, though they are "cooperating with police".
[Ref: News Story & NJ Police Interview http://www.northjersey.com/news/B...l?page=all -- 'AnnoyedwithRakuten']


(9) Using a Virtual Credit Card Number or Gift Cards at Rakuten may not be the best alternative.
[Ref: 'GPz1100' Post #205, Post #447, etc. Several affected customers posted their VCCN's later breach caused the credit card company to reissue a new card.]
[Ref: 'namlook' Post #449, etc. Hacker's later emptied the gift card or sold the balance on eBay.]
[Ref: 'bargainfinder09' Post #449 Must close VCCN out afterwards.]


(10) Using PayPal at Rakuten may possibly pose a risk -- awaiting additional responses.
[Ref: 'contraium' Post #504, 'Krystm' Post #471 For PP Verified customers, consider the idea from 'anatolygol' Post #503 (End PP bank link, order PP Secure ID.)
[Additional idea from 'mirai' Post #486 & 'Chuck Lunch' Post #493. PayPal - settings - payment preferences - my preapproved payments - anything suspicious there?



Slick Deals thread: http://slickdeals.net/f/6018544-Rakuten-Buy-com-Fraudulent-Use-of-Credit-Card-Info-within-Company
 
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depends this promo pops up with 30 x points right away and that is all you get. but some promos are the stock 5x points and then an add-on of 5000 in that case the 5x points stay and the add-on of 5000 is that.

They ran a promo like this 10 or 15 days ago from memorial day. My oder was 203 I got 5x points = 1015 then 5000 add-on total of 6015 to spend.


this order I grabbed 2x cpus at ( 400 Rounded) it went right to 12000 point or 30x. these 4570's look like a nice ht cpu.

hell they have the 799 usd mac mini quad for 779 it earns 23000 points that is about 560 for a 800 dollar machine
I participated in the Memorial Day sale, for the 50 back on 200. As soon as the 5000 points were unlocked, the points from the initial sale completely vanished...
 

philipma1957

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I participated in the Memorial Day sale, for the 50 back on 200. As soon as the 5000 points were unlocked, the points from the initial sale completely vanished...

interesting as they gave mine to me. well looks like they are pretty f'd up one way or another so I won't be posting them any more.

too much of the 'do you feel lucky' for me to post them.
 

blackened23

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I'd advise everyone to stay away from rakuten.com - there are many, many reports of CC and paypal fraud from purchases made on rakuten. Even paypal as a means of payment is not safe.

There's a very extensive thread on slickdeals about this, as well as websites dedicated to fraud victims.

TLDR: Stay away.
 

philipma1957

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I'd advise everyone to stay away from rakuten.com - there are many, many reports of CC and paypal fraud from purchases made on rakuten. Even paypal as a means of payment is not safe.

There's a very extensive thread on slickdeals about this, as well as websites dedicated to fraud victims.

TLDR: Stay away.

yeah I read the thread . I am nervous as I made a lot of purchases since april 1st so far no problems but I am concerned . Looks like some insider has done it maybe to hurt the company more then to score the money.
 

DeadMilkman

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And the fearmongers are back again in full force.

First off, let's put this in perspective. You are not responsible if the CC # gets stolen. Just watch your statements and report if you notice unathorized activity. CC numbers get stolen all the time. If you think Rakuten is bad, Walmart's problem with it has been several magnitudes worse.

Now let's go over dealing with Rakuten.

If it bothers you anyway and you wish to exercise caution, then just run the purchase though a credit card with a one time use virtual number system. (I know Citibank and Discover both have one)

Do no use Paypal. Even if we ignore the fact that Paypal offers zero protection and has been known to cause problems far worse than a simple CC number theft, Rakuten does not honor most promotions when you pay with them.
 
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bradley

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Fearmongers? I guess we need a new OCZ to defend, and its name is 'Rakuten?'
 

blackened23

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And the fearmongers are back again in full force.

First off, let's put this in perspective. You are not responsible if the CC # gets stolen. Just watch your statements and report if you notice unathorized activity. CC numbers get stolen all the time. If you think Rakuten is bad, Walmart's problem with it has been several magnitudes worse.

Now let's go over dealing with Rakuten.

If it bothers you anyway and you wish to exercise caution, then just run the purchase though a credit card with a one time use virtual number system. (I know Citibank and Discover both have one)

Do no use Paypal. Even if we ignore the fact that Paypal offers zero protection and has been known to cause problems far worse than a simple CC number theft, Rakuten does not honor most promotions when you pay with them.

LOL, is this guy even serious? So using a company with employees that apparently defraud customers is OKAY because once you deal with hassle of calling your CC company, they can reverse it. That makes me feel great, man, I can simply call my CC company and have them investigate for two weeks. Additionally, state police in NJ actually issued a warning about rakuten and advised residents NOT to use them. But we're fearmongers. Rakuten is FINE according to you. Feel free to completely discount what i'm saying, but there are enough warnings out there that I feel you're the one in the wrong, and not us. We're fearmongers. :rolleyes: Apparently you don't mind going through the hassle of identity theft. You don't mind waiting days for a new credit card number, don't mind the downtime, don't mind identity thieves using your same personal information to gain other sensitive information. Its OKAY because you can dispute it with your CC company.

Finally, your last statement. Paypal offers no protection. LOL. What? Are you even serious, man? Paypal is one of the best services to use between verified buyers and sellers because there is SIGNIFICANT protection. But oh, we're fearmongers. Whatever you say man. :rolleyes:
 
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blackened23

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Fearmongers? I guess we need a new OCZ to defend, and its name is 'Rakuten?'

LOL, yeah. His reply is just unbelievable. According to him, since we can deal with the complete PITA and hassle of calling our CC companies and initiating an investigation, buying from a questionable company is completely fine. I can't stop laughing.
 

BenJeremy

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And the fearmongers are back again in full force.

First off, let's put this in perspective. You are not responsible if the CC # gets stolen. Just watch your statements and report if you notice unathorized activity. CC numbers get stolen all the time. If you think Rakuten is bad, Walmart's problem with it has been several magnitudes worse.

Now let's go over dealing with Rakuten.

If it bothers you anyway and you wish to exercise caution, then just run the purchase though a credit card with a one time use virtual number system. (I know Citibank and Discover both have one)

Do no use Paypal. Even if we ignore the fact that Paypal offers zero protection and has been known to cause problems far worse than a simple CC number theft, Rakuten does not honor most promotions when you pay with them.

You aren't the brightest knife in the drawer. Encouraging people to allow theft because they can just get the bank to erase it? WTF?

This is a big problem, CC# and personal info seems to be sold on the CC# Black Market within days of making purchases at Rakuten now. From what I can see, somebody has a script running on Rakuten's "secure" server that handles orders, feeding data to some external database; whether this was planted by an employee or the result of hackers, who knows... but Rakuten is apparently doing nothing about it.

Using a virtual CC# seems prudent... except as some victims have stated, when a fraudulent attempt is made on the Virtual CC#, the banks also cancel your regular card (don't ask me why, banks are run by morons). Have fun waiting on a replacement card.

As for PayPal, I've had my account for years, with no issues. I have a PayPal debit card, too... but then again, I'm not the sort of person who encourages risky credit card usage, or laughs off theft, so perhaps I haven't engaged in the sort of behavior PayPal might frown upon.
 

DeadMilkman

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And so the pissing contest beings....Oh wait that's right I could care less!

I'll leave you with one thing to mull over. Rakuten is being accused of a data breach so severe that even SSN were compromised. No typical merchant keeps such information on file anywhere as it opens up severe legal responsibilities.
 
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blackened23

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What you stated was ridiculous, period. But you don't care, apparently saying stupid things is allowed.

Don't even try to defend what you posted. There are severe and real warnings about rakuten.com because thousands of customers have been defrauded, so much so that the NJ state police has issued a warning. What you posted about it being okay to order with confidence simply because you can dispute it is laughable. NOBODY, NOBODY wants to go through that hassle. NOBODY wants to deal with a merchant that potentially steals personal information. I've had a similar ordeal about a year ago and the downtime, hassle, and then being charged multiple times due to identity theft is an amazingly frustrating and painful time. Furthermore, having to go a week at a time without a specific form of payment that you may use frequently, and with other vendors, is another frustrating aspect.

Just. STOP. DEFENDING. What you said.
 
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