DEA SOD using NSA info against Americans

[DCal430]

FYI:

Drug cartels often are linked to middle eastern terrorist. So this does have to do with terrorism.

 

[poofyhairguy]

FYI:

Drug cartels often are linked to middle eastern terrorist. So this does have to do with terrorism.

In the cases where the DEA finds links, let them go to court and get access.

That is not the problem, the problem is the DEA is getting access on cases with no links to terrorism, then are going back and laundering that source.

 

[fskimospy]

In the cases where the DEA finds links, let them go to court and get access.

That is not the problem, the problem is the DEA is getting access on cases with no links to terrorism, then are going back and laundering that source.

Again though, the issue here is laundering the source, not that they are getting info on cases not linked to terrorism. Neither the DEA nor the NSA are limited to terrorism. If you want to change the scope of the NSA to only terrorism you're free to make that argument (although I would disagree), but that's not how they are currently set up.

 

[DCal430]

So does this laundering of evidence, mean they are actually concocting a made up store about how they got the evidence, a story that needs to be believable, but actually is a lie.

 

[fskimospy]

So does this laundering of evidence, mean they are actually concocting a made up store about how they got the evidence, a story that needs to be believable, but actually is a lie.

Basically what they are doing is using intelligence data to (for example) pinpoint a place where an illegal transaction is going to take place. Then, what they will do is have someone make a traffic stop on one of the cars heading to that location and 'accidentally' discover the drugs or whatever. That way they can still bust the guy but they don't have to say where they got the info from.

This is a fundamentally unconstitutional way of doing things in my opinion because this leaves people unable to confront the evidence used against them.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

FYI:

Drug cartels often are linked to middle eastern terrorist. So this does have to do with terrorism.

We can have guns we can protect ourselves from the bad terrorists. Everyone should have one.

 

[waggy]

the president in a speech today said he is ok so far with what NSA is doing. so expect it to continue and get worse.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Well Feinstein leading this makes me feel much better.

Well, no. The foxes are going to reform the management of the hen house. Lovely.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Well Feinstein leading this makes me feel much better.

Well, no. The foxes are going to reform the management of the hen house. Lovely.

Time to fly the coop?

 

[michal1980]

Again though, the issue here is laundering the source, not that they are getting info on cases not linked to terrorism. Neither the DEA nor the NSA are limited to terrorism. If you want to change the scope of the NSA to only terrorism you're free to make that argument (although I would disagree), but that's not how they are currently set up.

Ok there Jay Carney.

What other bs would the admin want us to know about.

 

[5to1baby1in5]

Basically what they are doing is using intelligence data to (for example) pinpoint a place where an illegal transaction is going to take place. Then, what they will do is have someone make a traffic stop on one of the cars heading to that location and 'accidentally' discover the drugs or whatever. That way they can still bust the guy but they don't have to say where they got the info from.

This is a fundamentally unconstitutional way of doing things in my opinion because this leaves people unable to confront the evidence used against them.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...explain-dea-use-of-hidden-data-evidence?lite=

Apparently Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin, Ron Wyden of Oregon, Tom Udall of New Mexico, Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut and Sherrod Brown of Ohio and two unnamed "prominent Republicans" want some answers.

Why is it mostly Democrats that are pushing back on this?

 

[fskimospy]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...explain-dea-use-of-hidden-data-evidence?lite=

Apparently Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin, Ron Wyden of Oregon, Tom Udall of New Mexico, Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut and Sherrod Brown of Ohio and two unnamed "prominent Republicans" want some answers.

Why is it mostly Democrats that are pushing back on this?

Who cares what party it is? The DEA is behaving in some very likely unconstitutional ways and I'm glad people are asking questions.

What was dumb about this thread was the people going after the NSA, not that people had a problem with what was going on. The NSA has become some political buzzword at the moment so as soon as anything is mentioned people freak out.

See: the thread where people are outraged at the NSA spying on foreign governments... which is the entire point of the NSA.

 

[poofyhairguy]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...explain-dea-use-of-hidden-data-evidence?lite=

Apparently Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin, Ron Wyden of Oregon, Tom Udall of New Mexico, Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut and Sherrod Brown of Ohio and two unnamed "prominent Republicans" want some answers.

Why is it mostly Democrats that are pushing back on this?

The DAY middle class moms in America don't associate the DEA with "protecting children" is the day they are all fucked.

 

[Brian Stirling]

Who cares what party it is? The DEA is behaving in some very likely unconstitutional ways and I'm glad people are asking questions.

What was dumb about this thread was the people going after the NSA, not that people had a problem with what was going on. The NSA has become some political buzzword at the moment so as soon as anything is mentioned people freak out.

See: the thread where people are outraged at the NSA spying on foreign governments... which is the entire point of the NSA.

The NSA has MANY programs and projects and I think it depends on where and how the NSA is getting the info that they're passing on to the DEA. If they are getting ANYTHING from PRISM that is then being passed onto the DEA that is troubling, and here's why...

A program to record ALL telecomm and internet traffic of ALL Americans but is justified on the basis that it is needed to protect us from terrorists but is actually being used for additional things like drug interdiction is not merely a slippery slope it is a full on teflon landslide. Can such data find drug dealers and traffickers -- absolutely, so perhaps that reason enough?

OK, if this data is useful to stop the cartels perhaps it can be useful to stop other things like:

Street crime, corporate corruption, child abuse, etc etc etc

Of course, if the government were permitted to search everyones home at random and without probable cause and warrant you can bet that a great deal of criminal activity would be prevented as well. So, if that's a good thing why don't we have that?

The fact that efforts are being made to disguise the source of this intel is highly suspect.


Brian

 

[CptDanko]

The D3A and C1A are the dope smugglers.

Chavez used to try and shoot down dozens of their coke smuggling choppers.