DEA Agent Shoots Self During Gun Safety Class

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: K1052I get the feeling that we don't really know the whole story here. It is easier to blame the weapon than the operator.

Weapon malfunction or not, it's still his fault (shouldn't have had it pointed at his leg).

Viper GTS

 

[StageLeft]

What a dummy.

 

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: K1052I get the feeling that we don't really know the whole story here. It is easier to blame the weapon than the operator.

Weapon malfunction or not, it's still his fault (shouldn't have had it pointed at his leg).

Viper GTS

When carrying a pistol its hard for it NOT to be pointed at your leg in the traditional holsters. Alot of hunters shoot legs and feet because of this.

 

[foofoo]

[EDIT]Also, the article specified .40, isn't the P228 9mm only?[/EDIT]

yes, the p228 is 9mm only (and law enforcement/military only now) it was replaced on the civilian market by the p229 which comes in .40sw, .357sig and 9mm.
good gun, used to have one.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: K1052I get the feeling that we don't really know the whole story here. It is easier to blame the weapon than the operator.

Weapon malfunction or not, it's still his fault (shouldn't have had it pointed at his leg).

Viper GTS

I totally agree.

Some of the crap I see people do at ranges that makes me cringe.

 

[Nanotech]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
If the witness accounts are accurate, it shouldn't have gone off.

Then again he shouldn't have had it pointed at his leg.



Viper GTS

Better pointed at his leg than at a kid!

Bet he's getting some grief from his co-workers

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: K1052I get the feeling that we don't really know the whole story here. It is easier to blame the weapon than the operator.

Weapon malfunction or not, it's still his fault (shouldn't have had it pointed at his leg).

Viper GTS

Better than having it pointed at the kids. At least he was smart enough not to do that.

ZV

 

[Yossarian]

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: z0mb13
OMG I dont know if I have to feel sad or laugh at the poor guy!

Sad. Sounds like gun failure. He pulled the slide back which should have ejected the shell. Unless he only pulled the slide like 1/4 of the way back......

Even then it should not have fired.

Viper GTS

I guess the guy keeps his gun with round chambered. He made the mistake of not seeing the round and the gun went off when he let the slide fall back (which also let the half-cocked hammer fall back and boom).

I'm not an expert on handguns, but doesnt the gun have to be out of the safe mode for the firing pin to be exposed and sticing out of the bolt and therefore able to fire)?

Keeping a round in the chamber is the only way to carry (either DAO or cocked/locked ala 1911), I think the whole point of having someone check was to demonstrate that even when the magazine is out a gun can still be loaded/fired.

Typical DAO semi-autos (Glock clones basically) do not have a safety in the traditional sense. Glocks have three safeties, all of which are always engaged.

Releasing the slide should not have resulted in discharge, this is the standard method of chambering a round in a semi-auto.

Viper GTS

If he had a glock, the magazine eject safety would've prevented the gun from firing.

I don't think glocks have a safety like that. Glock safeties

 

[sygyzy]

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: K1052I get the feeling that we don't really know the whole story here. It is easier to blame the weapon than the operator.

Weapon malfunction or not, it's still his fault (shouldn't have had it pointed at his leg).

Viper GTS

When carrying a pistol its hard for it NOT to be pointed at your leg in the traditional holsters. Alot of hunters shoot legs and feet because of this.

What is the relevance here? The gun was not holstered.

 

[m2kewl]

LOL

dumbass

 

[Jeff7]

Sounds like a news brief I saw about a riot erupting at an anger management course.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Jeff7
Sounds like a news brief I saw about a riot erupting at an anger management course.

Well, at an anger management course... you dont go there unless you have problems controlling your temper.

And lets just say that at the range I go to, if someone barrel sweeps you (it happens fairly rarely for a public range, but it happens), chances are very good the offender is a cop. Just because you handle guns on a daily basis doesnt make you a good practioner of safe firearm handling techniques. Much like driving on a daily basis doesnt mean you are any good at it.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: K1052
That agent taught those kids a very important lesson: ALWAYS respect the firearm and NEVER point it at anything you don't want an extra hole in.

Yep!

 

[tnitsuj]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: Jeff7
Sounds like a news brief I saw about a riot erupting at an anger management course.

Well, at an anger management course... you dont go there unless you have problems controlling your temper.

And lets just say that at the range I go to, if someone barrel sweeps you (it happens fairly rarely for a public range, but it happens), chances are very good the offender is a cop. Just because you handle guns on a daily basis doesnt make you a good practioner of safe firearm handling techniques. Much like driving on a daily basis doesnt mean you are any good at it.

At the range I go to I saw a DC police officer practicing with his flashlight shoot said flashlight while it was in his hands. That is not the worst thing I have seen from a LEO sadly.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: Jeff7
Sounds like a news brief I saw about a riot erupting at an anger management course.

Well, at an anger management course... you dont go there unless you have problems controlling your temper.

And lets just say that at the range I go to, if someone barrel sweeps you (it happens fairly rarely for a public range, but it happens), chances are very good the offender is a cop. Just because you handle guns on a daily basis doesnt make you a good practioner of safe firearm handling techniques. Much like driving on a daily basis doesnt mean you are any good at it.

At the range I go to I saw a DC police officer practicing with his flashlight shoot said flashlight while it was in his hands. That is not the worst thing I have seen from a LEO sadly.

There is a police near me that got shut down a while ago.

Police were called to a store a couple miles from the range to investigate vandalism of the cars and building. This vandalism looked like bullet holes, lots of them. While the officers were taking the report outside rounds started impacting the ground and parked cars near them.

I have been to the range in question and it is only about 50 yards from the shooting lanes to a freaking gigantic berm. They must have been really screwing around to make that many rounds leave the range.

 

[TitanDiddly]

He must have been into the confiscation room.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: Yossarian

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: z0mb13
OMG I dont know if I have to feel sad or laugh at the poor guy!

Sad. Sounds like gun failure. He pulled the slide back which should have ejected the shell. Unless he only pulled the slide like 1/4 of the way back......

Even then it should not have fired.

Viper GTS

I guess the guy keeps his gun with round chambered. He made the mistake of not seeing the round and the gun went off when he let the slide fall back (which also let the half-cocked hammer fall back and boom).

I'm not an expert on handguns, but doesnt the gun have to be out of the safe mode for the firing pin to be exposed and sticing out of the bolt and therefore able to fire)?

Keeping a round in the chamber is the only way to carry (either DAO or cocked/locked ala 1911), I think the whole point of having someone check was to demonstrate that even when the magazine is out a gun can still be loaded/fired.

Typical DAO semi-autos (Glock clones basically) do not have a safety in the traditional sense. Glocks have three safeties, all of which are always engaged.

Releasing the slide should not have resulted in discharge, this is the standard method of chambering a round in a semi-auto.

Viper GTS

If he had a glock, the magazine eject safety would've prevented the gun from firing.

I don't think glocks have a safety like that. Glock safeties

Perhaps police models only. Our Sheriff Deputies' glocks will not fire if the magazine is ejected.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: halik...safe mode...

Only an AT member would refer to a gun as being in "safe mode".

hah i had an exam at 8am today... the safety was off... happy ?

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: Yossarian

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: z0mb13
OMG I dont know if I have to feel sad or laugh at the poor guy!

Sad. Sounds like gun failure. He pulled the slide back which should have ejected the shell. Unless he only pulled the slide like 1/4 of the way back......

Even then it should not have fired.

Viper GTS

I guess the guy keeps his gun with round chambered. He made the mistake of not seeing the round and the gun went off when he let the slide fall back (which also let the half-cocked hammer fall back and boom).

I'm not an expert on handguns, but doesnt the gun have to be out of the safe mode for the firing pin to be exposed and sticing out of the bolt and therefore able to fire)?

Keeping a round in the chamber is the only way to carry (either DAO or cocked/locked ala 1911), I think the whole point of having someone check was to demonstrate that even when the magazine is out a gun can still be loaded/fired.

Typical DAO semi-autos (Glock clones basically) do not have a safety in the traditional sense. Glocks have three safeties, all of which are always engaged.

Releasing the slide should not have resulted in discharge, this is the standard method of chambering a round in a semi-auto.

Viper GTS

If he had a glock, the magazine eject safety would've prevented the gun from firing.

I don't think glocks have a safety like that. Glock safeties

I'm know gun expert either, but all I can think of is that he had previously cocked and chambered a round and had forgot about it (idiot). When he pulled the slide back it should have ejected, but didn't (limp wristed?). It then malfunctioned and fired.

NO SUCH THING AS AN UNLOADED GUN.

 

Originally posted by: K1052
I have heard some real horror stoires about law enforcement officers and how some handle their firearms. Lets just say that human error is almost always the cause for these accidents.

I'd assume that human error would be the cause of a DEA agent shooting himself in the leg!

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: z0mb13
OMG I dont know if I have to feel sad or laugh at the poor guy!

Sad. Sounds like gun failure. He pulled the slide back which should have ejected the shell. Unless he only pulled the slide like 1/4 of the way back......

Even then it should not have fired.

Viper GTS

I guess the guy keeps his gun with round chambered. He made the mistake of not seeing the round and the gun went off when he let the slide fall back (which also let the half-cocked hammer fall back and boom).

I'm not an expert on handguns, but doesnt the gun have to be out of the safe mode for the firing pin to be exposed and sticing out of the bolt and therefore able to fire)?

Keeping a round in the chamber is the only way to carry (either DAO or cocked/locked ala 1911), I think the whole point of having someone check was to demonstrate that even when the magazine is out a gun can still be loaded/fired.

Typical DAO semi-autos (Glock clones basically) do not have a safety in the traditional sense. Glocks have three safeties, all of which are always engaged.

Releasing the slide should not have resulted in discharge, this is the standard method of chambering a round in a semi-auto.

Viper GTS

If he had a glock, the magazine eject safety would've prevented the gun from firing.

I have a Glock and if I eject the magazine I can still fire the weapon.

It doesn't say in the article what type of gun he was using. Whatever it was, if he pulled the slide back fully the round should have been ejected. He definitely should not have had his finger on the trigger in any case. He difinitely gets a dumbass award and he's lucky he didn't get a Darwin award.

 

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: z0mb13
OMG I dont know if I have to feel sad or laugh at the poor guy!

Sad. Sounds like gun failure. He pulled the slide back which should have ejected the shell. Unless he only pulled the slide like 1/4 of the way back......

Even then it should not have fired.

Viper GTS

I guess the guy keeps his gun with round chambered. He made the mistake of not seeing the round and the gun went off when he let the slide fall back (which also let the half-cocked hammer fall back and boom).

I'm not an expert on handguns, but doesnt the gun have to be out of the safe mode for the firing pin to be exposed and sticing out of the bolt and therefore able to fire)?

Keeping a round in the chamber is the only way to carry (either DAO or cocked/locked ala 1911), I think the whole point of having someone check was to demonstrate that even when the magazine is out a gun can still be loaded/fired.

Typical DAO semi-autos (Glock clones basically) do not have a safety in the traditional sense. Glocks have three safeties, all of which are always engaged.

Releasing the slide should not have resulted in discharge, this is the standard method of chambering a round in a semi-auto.

Viper GTS

If he had a glock, the magazine eject safety would've prevented the gun from firing.

I have a Glock and if I eject the magazine I can still fire the weapon.

It doesn't say in the article what type of gun he was using. Whatever it was, if he pulled the slide back fully the round should have been ejected. He definitely should not have had his finger on the trigger in any case. He difinitely gets a dumbass award and he's lucky he didn't get a Darwin award.

I dont have much experience with handguns, shotguns and rifles are what I was brought up shooting. But the first things I learned were to always treat a gun like it is loaded, even if you know for sure it isnt. The second thing was to never point a gun at anything you didnt want to kill. This guy broke both those major rules and he is teaching gun safety????

The guy is ok, so we can make fun of him. But these kids he was "teaching" are screwed for life. The "expert" broke all the basic rules of gun safety, then shot himself. I hope this guy gets in serious trouble for this. There is no excuse for stupidity.