DDR4 Being Dalayed

[piasabird]

http://www.cio.com.au/article/458961/adoption_ddr4_memory_facing_delays/

DDR4 SDRAM implementation is being delayed so that RAM Manufacturers can make more money. I think INTEL is also in collusion with them. They are purposely delaying the implementation of DDR4 which runs at lower voltage so they can save on the development costs. The standard for DDR4 is being pruposely delayed to soak the public for more money. It is all about the industries making computer products saving money.

They dont care about developing faster products that use less power, they just want to rip you off.

"But with memory prices stabilizing after years of double-digit drops, analysts said that DDR3 DRAM will likely have a longer-than-expected life, which could delay the wide adoption of DDR4 in computers. DRAM prices have stabilized as demand for DDR3 has exceeded supply, and the number of memory makers has also dwindled. Samsung, SK Hynix and Micron dominate the DRAM market, while other memory makers have either been acquired or are focusing on the more profitable NAND flash business."

It is always about the money.

I admit that I am reading between the lines. This articles uses a lot of double speak but it is basically saying the same thing. They just cant come out and tell you the truth.

 

[piasabird]

http://www.micron.com/products/dram/ddr3-to-ddr4

http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/05/ddr4-memory-is-coming-soonmaybe-too-soon/

Micron wants to sell DDR4. What is the holdup with the standards committes and Intel?

 

[ShintaiDK]

Sofar the plans for DDR4 has always been limited in 2014 (Servers) and broad avaliability (Mobile/Desktop) in 2015.

 

[RU482]

seems like a perfect opportunity for AMD to swoop in with chipsets that are DDR3 and DDR4 compatible, no?

 

[Red Squirrel]

Another kind of ram? geez and I just built a new machine. Well guess given even regular DDR is still available, I don't have to worry about DDR3 going anywhere for a while.

 

[UaVaj]

why bring ddr4 out when ddr3 prices are off the charts. memory price has double within the last few months.

there is no incentive to bring ddr4 out. put your self in the manufacturer's shoe. you would do the exact same.

so stop wining already.

want change. vote with your wallet. stop buying ddr3. that will drive prices down to the point where ddr3 is worthless. that will force manufacturer to release ddr4 to get your $$.

this is capitalism at its best.

 

[taq8ojh]

Who the heck gives a damn about completely new memory type?

 

[Ao1]

^agreed. With PC sales dropping it’s not really surprising that R&D on new technologies is being impacted. Current PC performance is also well in excess of what most people require so that incentive is also lacking.

 

[Jimzz]

seems like a perfect opportunity for AMD to swoop in with chipsets that are DDR3 and DDR4 compatible, no?

AMD seems to support DDR5 in the next chip aka PS4 design. Not sure if it will show up on the desktop but you never know.

 

[piasabird]

A low power RAM would help in tablets and lap tops. So much for being Green.

This post was done from my outdated Desktop at work.

 

[R0H1T]

AMD seems to support DDR5 in the next chip aka PS4 design. Not sure if it will show up on the desktop but you never know.

You mean GDDR5 based on DDR3 or GDDR6 😵

 

[R0H1T]

so stop wining already.

want change. vote with your wallet. stop buying ddr3. that will drive prices down to the point where ddr3 is worthless. that will force manufacturer to release ddr4 to get your $$.

What, even if all the current desktop users stop buying new RAM the demand coming from OEM's for DDR3L or LPDDR3 will offset that gap pretty easily !

this is capitalism at its best.

Yeah I know what you mean by that 🙄

Who the heck gives a damn about completely new memory type?

I do & anyone following current trends, APU & HSA, will definitely gain from this new memory type !

 

[Jimzz]

You mean GDDR5 based on DDR3 or GDDR6 😵

Yea GDDR5...
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di..._Kaveri_APU_Supports_GDDR5_Memory_Report.html


Another reason for Intel to hold up ddr4 is it helps AMD. AMD can use the bandwidth, intel is still not badnwidth starved like high end AMD APUs.

 

[R0H1T]

Another reason for Intel to hold up ddr4 is it helps AMD. AMD can use the bandwidth, intel is still not badnwidth starved like high end AMD APUs.

Yup, the casualty in which case is gonna be the rest of us & AMD of course. If it isn't collusion then its price gouging, no wonder the PC industry is in a serious mess !

 

[Lorne]

"DDR4 SDRAM implementation is being delayed so that RAM Manufacturers can make more money."
There all always delayed for the purpose of flooding the market with the last model before the next big thing is released.
DDR4 isnt going to be much the improvements, DDR5 will be the next real jump as seen from the past evolutions ie. DDR big improve, DDR2 not so big, DDR3 big improve.
DDR4 will just allow the mfg to use up older slower stock.
Changes now will have to be sequenced to the CPU mfg to make the MMU modifications as well.

 

[tweakboy]

Look, DDR4 will be 2016, I imagine that the price will be very expensive too. For no reason at all.

 

[poohbear]

lol OP companies want to make money selling their products???? WHAT A SHOCK!!!!!!!!

They lost enough money when DDR3 prices hit rock bottom, so let them make some of that money back. I didn't see you complaining when they were losing money selling 16GB of DDR3 for $60 back in December 2012.

 

[CakeMonster]

Not sure which delay you are talking about. There were never any plans to introduce DDR4 for the mainstream market in Haswell or Broadwell. For Skylake we are looking at mid/late 2015 if not 2016.

 

[UaVaj]

What, even if all the current desktop users stop buying new RAM the demand coming from OEM's for DDR3L or LPDDR3 will offset that gap pretty easily !Yeah I know what you mean by that 🙄I do & anyone following current trends, APU & HSA, will definitely gain from this new memory type !

and where do you think ALL those rams OEM are buying are ending up.

obviously you haven't figured that out. 🙄

 

[blastingcap]

seems like a perfect opportunity for AMD to swoop in with chipsets that are DDR3 and DDR4 compatible, no?

Maybe if AMD's market share were much bigger, the DRAM makers would listen. As it stands, Intel is the dog, AMD is the tail.

 

[CakeMonster]

I find it quite funny that we're even talking about these guys "listening". Haven't practically all the DRAM manufacturers been convicted and fined repeatedly over cartel practices and price fixing?

 

[A5]

I find it quite funny that we're even talking about these guys "listening". Haven't practically all the DRAM manufacturers been convicted and fined repeatedly over cartel practices and price fixing?

Yep. Prices rise -> Collusion lawsuit filed -> Lawsuit settled -> Prices drop -> Prices Rise -> ...

It's the never-ending cycle of DRAM. Been going on for as long as I can remember.

 

[tential]

^agreed. With PC sales dropping it’s not really surprising that R&D on new technologies is being impacted. Current PC performance is also well in excess of what most people require so that incentive is also lacking.

I seriously don't think 85% of people understand this post on this forum. When I try to explain this people just don't get it. Enthusiasts here are completely out of touch with what 99% of the market actually wants and then can't figure out why products they want don't come to market.

The only reason I can think of that delaying DDR4 would be bad for the market is that the trend the market is going towards is SMALLER, and POWER EFFICIENCY. If DD4 is both of these, and products utilizing them would show significant improvements in these two categories then it would be lost sales. However, I don't think new Ram would significantly make a PC smaller, or more power efficient. New displays would.