DB Rows -- How often?

[cliftonite]

How often do you guys do dumbbell rows and after what lifts? I currently do them once a week after benching and pressing with the fat bar (assistance lift). I am using a 60lb weight and can do 22 reps per hand (up from 15). C

Should I add another day for this? How often can you do this?

 

[Zivic]

How often do you guys do dumbbell rows and after what lifts? I currently do them once a week after benching and pressing with the fat bar (assistance lift). I am using a 60lb weight and can do 22 reps per hand (up from 15). C

Should I add another day for this? How often can you do this?

db rows as in bent over dumbbell rows like this?
http://youtu.be/pYcpY20QaE8

if so, I do them once a week on my back day. I put them deep into my workout because our gym's dumbbells only go up to 150's. I'll generally do two variants of pull downs, bent over barbell rows, T-Bar rows, and a couple sets of cable rows then get into the dumbbell rows. If I do them early on, I can easily do 12+ reps, which is too many. I will shoot for a rep range of 8-12, generally only doing 2 sets, sometimes 3. If we had heavier weights, I would move them closer to the begging of my workout.

my advise-> up the weight, drop the reps.... do them once a week for 2-4 sets depending on what types of other lifts you are doing in your workout

 

[Whisper]

db rows as in bent over dumbbell rows like this?
http://youtu.be/pYcpY20QaE8

if so, I do them once a week on my back day. I put them deep into my workout because our gym's dumbbells only go up to 150's. I'll generally do two variants of pull downs, bent over barbell rows, T-Bar rows, and a couple sets of cable rows then get into the dumbbell rows. If I do them early on, I can easily do 12+ reps, which is too many. I will shoot for a rep range of 8-12, generally only doing 2 sets, sometimes 3. If we had heavier weights, I would move them closer to the begging of my workout.

my advise-> up the weight, drop the reps.... do them once a week for 2-4 sets depending on what types of other lifts you are doing in your workout

That's almost word-for-word how my reply would look. I do DB rows later in my workout (before pullups, though) for the reason Zivic listed--my gym only goes up to 125's, and I don't want to do more than 7-8 reps. Although even with heavier weights, I'd likely still do things like t-bar rows and pull downs first.

22 seems like quite a few reps, almost regardless of what you're aiming to gain. Like Zivic, I'd suggest upping the weight so that the rep range is lower, with the exact number depending on why you're working out.

 

[cliftonite]

That's almost word-for-word how my reply would look. I do DB rows later in my workout (before pullups, though) for the reason Zivic listed--my gym only goes up to 125's, and I don't want to do more than 7-8 reps. Although even with heavier weights, I'd likely still do things like t-bar rows and pull downs first.

22 seems like quite a few reps, almost regardless of what you're aiming to gain. Like Zivic, I'd suggest upping the weight so that the rep range is lower, with the exact number depending on why you're working out.

I guess we are doing "kroc" rows -- as heavy a weight for as many reps as possible. Goal is 25 to 30 before jumping up to 75. My back has gotten noticeably bigger doing this. I was just wondering if adding another day of them at home would be a good idea so I could hit the 25 rep+ sooner I have power blocks at home that go up to 55lbs, I might buy the add on to get a heavier set.

 

[mple]

over 20 reps sounds far too high in my opinion. What is your overall goal physique and what does the rest of your lifting program look like?

 

[Zivic]

I guess we are doing "kroc" rows -- as heavy a weight for as many reps as possible. Goal is 25 to 30 before jumping up to 75. My back has gotten noticeably bigger doing this. I was just wondering if adding another day of them at home would be a good idea so I could hit the 25 rep+ sooner I have power blocks at home that go up to 55lbs, I might buy the add on to get a heavier set.

"kroc" rows are just a looser version, but basically the same thing. I don't understand your rep range at all... why not drop the weight and do 50? or 75... or even just row your arm with no weight till you can't row any more? In the ~30 rep range you are well beyond training for size and strength and basically working endurance/cardio. Vs doing nothing, you will get bigger and stronger, but you are not doing it in the most efficient way.

In my experience, you will get better gains upping the weight and dropping the reps somewhere below 15. As a rule of thumb, figure out at what point your muscles start burning out vs just being pumped. Let's say you starting burning at 10 reps, you don't want to consistently be pushing well beyond that just for the sake of reps.

You are correct, heavy as possible for as many reps as possible. You need to set an upper range.... and I don't believe 30 is the most efficient. even on the extreme high side, 20 reps is pushing it.

Who taught you this "workout"?

 

[Koing]

I think he has taken inspiration from this Matt Kroczaleski
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7jAIdoORxI

Koing

 

[Zivic]

I think he has taken inspiration from this Matt Kroczaleski
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7jAIdoORxI

Koing

there is a huge difference from doing 60 lb db and 225's. if OP gets to 225, bang out all the reps he can. but I bet his gym facility has heaver dumbbells than 60's, so up the weight!