Daytona Beach, Fla Trying to Ban the Thong (and other revealing clothes)

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Nudity ordinance back on table in Daytona Beach
By JOHN BOZZO (john.bozzo@news-jrnl.com)
Staff Writer


DAYTONA BEACH -- Beachgoers in skimpy thong swimwear might want to cover up before they step from the county-controlled beach to city property if a new ordinance is approved Wednesday.

A local Libertarian Party leader describes the ordinance as an attack on personal liberty and brought a 2-inch thick petition to City Hall recently, signed by about 2,000 people urging the City Commission to reject the ordinance.

The proposed ordinance might hit hardest on public nudity at special events and two nightclubs that offer nude dancing courtesy of a federal lawsuit challenging the city's adult entertainment rules.

"This is a highly restrictive ordinance limiting what people will be allowed to wear in Daytona Beach," said Edward Heaphy, an Ormond Beach resident and local Libertarian Party treasurer. "It brings up images of police with rulers measuring bathing suits."

City commissioners plan to take up the issue in their meeting at 7 p.m. Wednesday at City Hall, 301 S. Ridgewood Ave.

Heaphy said the ordinance would spark lawsuits that would cost the city $300,000 because it would not be enforced everywhere, such as pool decks. It would force women to wear 1950s-style bathing suits, he said, and be bad for tourism. He said there's no need for a city ordinance because a state law bans public nudity.

"Those are misperceptions," said Marie Hartman, deputy city attorney.

The city ordinance might carry a fine up to $500, but not a criminal record that goes with a state charge, she said.

Skimpy bathing suits could still be worn legally, Hartman said, as long as one-third of the buttocks or one-quarter of a woman's breast are covered.

"I don't expect the primary enforcement objective for our police officers to be keeping an eye out for women who might have minimal violations," she said. "We will be enforcing particularly flagrant violations and where repetitions of flagrant violations occur."

Daytona Beach had a city ordinance prohibiting public nudity until April when all city codes were reorganized. The proposed ordinance is updated to comply with current Supreme Court rulings that exempt nudity, which would be considered free expression protected by the U.S. Constitution.

Two nightclubs say the nude dancing they offer is constitutionally protected -- Molly Brown's on Seabreeze Boulevard and the Pink Pony on Ridgewood Avenue. Hartman said places where dancers perform nude regularly would be a flagrant violation.

"Passage of this ordinance is certainly going to result in more litigation," said Gary Edinger, an attorney representing Molly Brown's.

Talks to settle a federal lawsuit by the clubs challenging the city's adult entertainment rules have not stalled, but there's no resolution yet. The clubs won a victory in July when a federal judge ruled the city does not have enough locations for nude dancing. The city is appealing the ruling.

As for the cost of defending legal challenges against the city's adult entertainment rules, Hartman said the expense is nowhere near $300,000. Hartman, a salaried city employee, has battled high-priced legal talent from adult businesses for nearly 20 years. Her current annual salary is about $87,000.

 

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a beach without thongs is like... a beach without sun!
 

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DAYTONA BEACH -- Beachgoers in skimpy thong swimwear might want to cover up before they step from the county-controlled beach to city property if a new ordinance is approved Wednesday.

They aren't banning it on the beach. They want it covered up once you step off of the beach onto city property. I don't *completely* agree with it, but I see where they are coming from.

 
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Originally posted by: vi_edit
DAYTONA BEACH -- Beachgoers in skimpy thong swimwear might want to cover up before they step from the county-controlled beach to city property if a new ordinance is approved Wednesday.

They aren't banning it on the beach. They want it covered up once you step off of the beach onto city property. I don't *completely* agree with it, but I see where they are coming from.
Must have skimmed over that part. I guess the gals shouldn't be walking around town in next-to-nothing on.

(I feel sick agreeing with this)
 

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Originally posted by: KnightBreed
If not for the women, what would be the point of going to Daytona? The culture maybe? Uh, no.

Yeah, just give them a few years of enforcing this and watch what happens to their tourism industry... and they will likely cry about the decline.
 

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This is my one of my few peeves with the conservative republican party...their making beautiful women cover up...

maybe if it had a stipulation in there that morbidly obese women could not wear thongs i would buy into it.
 

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
This is my one of my few peeves with the conservative republican party...their making beautiful women cover up...

maybe if it had a stipulation in there that morbidly obese women could not wear thongs i would buy into it.
What in the world do you think conservative means?

Main Entry: 1con·ser·va·tive
Pronunciation: k&n-'s&r-v&-tiv
Function: adjective
Date: 14th century
1 : PRESERVATIVE
2 a : of or relating to a philosophy of conservatism b capitalized : of or constituting a political party professing the principles of conservatism : as (1) : of or constituting a party of the United Kingdom advocating support of established institutions (2) : PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVE
3 a : tending or disposed to maintain existing views, conditions, or institutions : TRADITIONAL b : marked by moderation or caution <a conservative estimate> c : marked by or relating to traditional norms of taste, elegance, style, or manners <a conservative suit>
4 : of or relating to Conservative Judaism

Why do you think middle eastern countries make women wear those black costumes? It's not because they are liberal!
 

Ryan

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They've already done it here in PANAMA CITY BEACH, fl.
 

Linflas

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
This is my one of my few peeves with the conservative republican party...their making beautiful women cover up...

maybe if it had a stipulation in there that morbidly obese women could not wear thongs i would buy into it.

The sole political party I see mentioned in the article as posted in the thread is the Libertarian party so why do you assume this is a Republican initiative?
 

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why do you assume this is a Republican initiative?
Because they have the Moral Majority's (Christian Fund A Mental Cases) DNA all over their face.
 

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Originally posted by: Linflas
Originally posted by: Nitemare
This is my one of my few peeves with the conservative republican party...their making beautiful women cover up...

maybe if it had a stipulation in there that morbidly obese women could not wear thongs i would buy into it.

The sole political party I see mentioned in the article as posted in the thread is the Libertarian party so why do you assume this is a Republican initiative?

Conservatives are *typically* the type involved in restricting these sorts of activities. The libertarians were actually protesting AGAINST the ban.
 

Linflas

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
why do you assume this is a Republican initiative?
Because they have the Moral Majority's (Christian Fund A Mental Cases) DNA all over their face.

But there are plenty of Democrats as well that buy into government mandated decency such as Tipper Gore and Joseph Lieberman to name a couple of well known ones. Personally I wish both parties would concern themselves with issues that matter rather than fluff like this nonsense.
 

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Originally posted by: Amused
Nudity ordinance back on table in Daytona Beach
By JOHN BOZZO (john.bozzo@news-jrnl.com)
Staff Writer

Skimpy bathing suits could still be worn legally, Hartman said, as long as one-third of the buttocks or one-quarter of a woman's breast are covered.

Ya how on earth are you going to measure whether ONE-THIRD of the butt or ONE-QUARTER of the breast is covered? But I dont mind if I am hired for enforcing this rule :D

 

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But there are plenty of Democrats as well that buy into government mandated decency such as Tipper Gore and Joseph Lieberman to name a couple of well known ones.
Yeah but this is Florida, the state that elected a wanker like Jeb Bush Governor just because he is a Republican.
 

Linflas

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
But there are plenty of Democrats as well that buy into government mandated decency such as Tipper Gore and Joseph Lieberman to name a couple of well known ones.
Yeah but this is Florida, the state that elected a wanker like Jeb Bush Governor just because he is a Republican.

But Volusia County, which is where Daytona Beach is located, went for Gore.
 

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Been There done That.... ~10 Years ago the town I live in (on the opppsite coast) in Florida banned them... The language baned any clothing/swimwear that revealed an "Anal Cleft", I guess by definition the cops can write tickets for Plumbers Butt too! :D

Not that it matters.... It's not really enforced... I see lots of them on the beaches and surrounding areas here....

However more often than not the wearer should be fined!!! :disgust: 300lbs of pimply, cottage cheese hanging out of a thong is not pretty...
 

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Wow, this job would actually make "Bikini Inspector" a valid job title. :p Sign me up! (P.S. - bribes can be monetary or 'favors' :p)
 

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I think some people are definitely way, way too uptight, and that government would be far better off focusing its efforts on capturing terrorists and going after real problems than worrying about this. However, there should be an ordinance against wearing a thong without being physically attractive.
 

Linflas

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
But Volusia County, which is where Daytona Beach is located, went for Gore.
Yeah so what?

It is just an indicator that the area is likely to trend somewhat towards the democrats in voting. My only point in this whole thing was that when it comes to silliness like this without explicit information to the contrary it could well be Republicans and/or Democrats behind this. I agree with you that the Republicans have a reputation for this due to their on/off relationship with the religious right.

vi_edit - I understood the Libertarians were the ones against the ordinance. My only reason for mentioning them at all is because they were the only party identified in the story. I was only questioning the assumption that this was a Republican based initiative when there was no information in the story to that effect.
 

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Originally posted by: GoodToGo
Originally posted by: Amused
Nudity ordinance back on table in Daytona Beach
By JOHN BOZZO (john.bozzo@news-jrnl.com)
Staff Writer

Skimpy bathing suits could still be worn legally, Hartman said, as long as one-third of the buttocks or one-quarter of a woman's breast are covered.

Ya how on earth are you going to measure whether ONE-THIRD of the butt or ONE-QUARTER of the breast is covered? But I dont mind if I am hired for enforcing this rule :D

I don't get the point. You either conceal, or expose. If you're going to go skimpy, might as well put happy-face stickers over the nipples and wear a shoestring thong. Cover 1/4 of the breast? If you're gonna cover, cover the whole thing. If you're going to expose, expose the whole thing. ;)
 

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Originally posted by: Ziptar
Been There done That.... ~10 Years ago the town I live in (on the opppsite coast) in Florida banned them... The language baned any clothing/swimwear that revealed an "Anal Cleft", I guess by definition the cops can write tickets for Plumbers Butt too! :D

Not that it matters.... It's not really enforced... I see lots of them on the beaches and surrounding areas here....

However more often than not the wearer should be fined!!! :disgust: 300lbs of pimply, cottage cheese hanging out of a thong is not pretty...

Those aren't thongs they just appear to be because of the size of their a$$e$.....

:D