Daylight Savings Time Update - How are You Admins Handling It?

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iamwiz82

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We're having lots of fun. One of our sites is just now getting around to installing SP2, which is required for the MS patch. We also have a bunch of Win2k servers. I'm not even going to mention the standalone machines running NT and trying to figure out if pushing the latest version of Java to be DST compliant will break anything.
 
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Genx87

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Edit: NM friend informed me of the change the govt made regarding DST.

Interesting issue, not the end of the world, but a pita none the less.

 
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DST is the stupidest thing in the world. I work for a software company that has to update all of our products (even the end-of life versions). Not only do we have to update the software but we have to update existing data to correct the timestamps. :| A big fat hassle just because it's part of Bush's 'energy savings plan'. This ain't saving us ANY ENERGY AT ALL. :|
 
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This article tells you everything you need to know to deploy the fix for 2000 machines. It gives you the scripts you need, so you can fairly easily push it out with a GPO or logon script.

If you have clients that are not part of a domain, it will obviously require more work, since you can't deploy it with AD or WSUS or something. You could use SMS, but if you don't have AD, you probably don't have SMS.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/914387
 
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We use 3 different Unix flavors, as well as some Windows boxes that ALL need updating. Production servers have all been done, Preprod is in wrap up, test boxes we haven't started on yet because no one's owning up to who's crap is who's. We're rolling out exchange server and blackberry patches this week as well. Friggin idiot politicians and their arbitrary changes for the sake of nothing.

Luckily we've finally worked out a pretty simple Bladelogic procedure, but the first few were a pain (I SWEAR TO GOD QUIT SCHEDULING THEM ON THE SHORTHANDED SHIFT!)
 
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Xp systems and servers updated OK. We're dealing with the Outlook calendar fallout now, but working through it. I have the BES server patched to the latest and am working on the patch for the phones.

Man I hate DST.
 
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flyboy84

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the title is funny, cause its like "how do you handle it?" and "how do you handle IT?" (admins handle IT)
 
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We primarily use Novell. They said they aren't releasing a patch or fix for the end user. That means means bad times.
 
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No MSJVM fix either.

Patching and testing. We patched the Sun JVM on our identity management servers today. All the rest our security stuff is already covered by the OS patches.
 
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Can someone explain to me why JDKs and JREs don't just get timezone and DST rules from the OS and instead of maintain its own set of rules? Even with the patch, it looks like it just changes the rules but what happens when the bill is reversed at some point in the future and we need to change this back? I don't see any documentation stating that DST is now configurable.

The biggest issue we are having with DST change is Javas.
 
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Originally posted by: iamwiz82
I've been going over the things needed for this Daylight Savings Time update and it sucks.

MS is not releasing to the public a fix for any of their older software, including Windows 2000. So the scramble is on to fix everything manually.

Microsoft 98/2000 Fix - http://www.intelliadmin.com/
Microsoft Outlook 2000-2003 'Fix' - tzmove.exe
Blackberry Device OTA - http://www.blackberry.com/DST2007/patch/manager/patchmanager.zip
Microsoft Exchange 5.5 - Uh oh... :p:(
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yes, youareawiz! & thx for the links!

 
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Andy22

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Surprised no one has mentioned the patch here: Unofficial DS Patch Info here

We have over 100 Win2k servers and this patch is on all of them. It's a quick and easy reg change (no reboot) and there is even an uninstall. We have changed the dates forward to simulate and it works like a champ.
 
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Another reason why I like Arizona - we don't do DST. :)

However - this was in today's news:

"Microsoft Corp. has sought to minimize any time-change difficulties by issuing updates to the most current version of its Windows XP operating system, and it already has built the time change into Vista. But users of older operating systems, such as Windows 2000, might have to figure things out for themselves. "
 
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mAdMaLuDaWg

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I bet the fing politicians who legislated this stupid law didn't take into account the productivity costs involved with this stupid fix. I work in an investment bank and its indirectly causing massive problems on a lot of our boxes. We have a two sets of servers, one with the patch applied and one without the patch so if there are any problems we could switch over to the unpatched ones. Its a pain.. a real pain.
 
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mAdMaLuDaWg

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Originally posted by: Hersh
Can someone explain to me why JDKs and JREs don't just get timezone and DST rules from the OS and instead of maintain its own set of rules? Even with the patch, it looks like it just changes the rules but what happens when the bill is reversed at some point in the future and we need to change this back? I don't see any documentation stating that DST is now configurable.
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Well a Java application may want to run on a time/timezone that is completely different from the server's time.


The biggest issue we are having with DST change is Javas.
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Yep, same here and I don't know why but the Java DST broke a lot of things on our side. Sometimes we have to apply the patch to the server, multiple java versions, and the database system on one box.
 
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coughtryb

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Watch out for pre-SP2 XP workstations - microsofts DST update wont work unless you update FIRST - installing in reverse order screws it all up. i tried to save time and found that out the hard way.

hurray for finding group policy automated windows updates!!! better late than never...

have fun!
 
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