daylight savings... permenant?

[hal2kilo]

Before the Industrial Revelation, the only people who cared about time were monks and sea captains.

Removing oneself from time is quite interesting. Hard to do without "powers".

 

[snoopy7548]

Before the Industrial Revelation, the only people who cared about time were monks and sea captains.

And watchmakers.

 

[zinfamous]

ffs they know time, as in the clock is a human construct and actually makes no GD difference, because we can choose to get up and go to sleep despite the numbers on some device?

or we can stick with " the numbers on this device control our health" that seems better somehow to people?

It's not that simple. Completely without your control, your body is waking up and going to sleep in response to a lot of triggers (there are actually a dozen or so circadian rhythms that regulate biological cycles, but most only ever talk about the day/night cycle...which is really quite important).

Light is a massive trigger that will jumpstart your wakeup process well before you are conscious of waking up, or our arbitrary concept of time. You can keep animals and bugs in thoroughly climate-controlled rooms or incubators for generations, and maybe one flash of light in the middle of a night cycle can thoroughly wreck their daily hormone cycling for weeks which, if this is the sort of thing you are studying, makes for a very bad month on the job. ....because now you've got to reestablish that cycle.

Which is to say, yes, people can adjust and adapt to any sort of cycle (it's not like there aren't places on the planet where people have lived for thousands of years with the type of light cycle and work life under DST). But it takes time. What I can say is that, if we're trying to set up a breeding colony for our mice and we need to flip the light cycle on them, or even adjust it up or down by an hour or two, we give them about a month or two to get back to normal. ....granted, this isn't something that I actually study or ever have, it's more of a part of husbandry that we have to deal with when working with model organisms--but light cycle is powerful enough to throw a wrench into the simple day-to-day behavior of your animals.

The issue here is just the switch in time every year and especially with DST, it's nearly a 2 hour flip in the morning sunrise for the first couple of weeks. After several months, it's no big deal and the reason we haven't really had any long term studies on this is because we haven't had an actual long-enough window of time to stay on a single cycle

 

[Bitek]

I hope this goes through. Ending DST in the fall, and then going into winter where the sun is down at 4-430 is depressing as hell.

I don't give it a shit if it's dark in the morning, but I want some daylight left when I'm done with work.

 

[sdifox]

I hope this goes through. Ending DST in the fall, and then going into winter where the sun is down at 4-430 is depressing as hell.

I don't give it a shit if it's dark in the morning, but I want some daylight left when I'm done with work.

Adjust your work schedule. Don't fuck with my standard time.

 

[hal2kilo]

You all should try flipping back and forth between regular day shift work and swing shift work on a monthly basis for 6 years. I can hear the whining now. That's how the Groton CT site I worked at was run until I got out of there. One time I had to do 3rd shift for a month. I can't remember having a decent days sleep.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I worked in a place like that where you could get forced the entire next shift until a contract change ended it. Then we could only get forced 4 hours which is much better. These days I have no OT so its a flat 40 every week day shift only but a world war would probably change all of that.

 

[njdevilsfan87]

Shift it half an hour, have schools start a half later our during non-DST months, done. Everyone stays mad.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

You all should try flipping back and forth between regular day shift work and swing shift work on a monthly basis for 6 years. I can hear the whining now. That's how the Groton CT site I worked at was run until I got out of there. One time I had to do 3rd shift for a month. I can't remember having a decent days sleep.

I did that for 4 years. It was shit. Nobody should do it.

 

[NWRMidnight]

You all should try flipping back and forth between regular day shift work and swing shift work on a monthly basis for 6 years. I can hear the whining now. That's how the Groton CT site I worked at was run until I got out of there. One time I had to do 3rd shift for a month. I can't remember having a decent days sleep.

Rotating every month between days and swing.. That's child's play. Try working 12 hour shifts, 3 on 3 off, rotating every 3 days worked. For those that don't understand, you work 3 days 7am to 7pm, off 3 days, work 3 days 7pm to 7am, off 3 days.. rinse repeat... I did that for over 4 years. I have been on straight grave yards 12 hours shifts for over a year now. Wish it was straight days, but it's 100 times better than the rotating back and forth every 6 days.

 

[nakedfrog]

You all should try flipping back and forth between regular day shift work and swing shift work on a monthly basis for 6 years. I can hear the whining now. That's how the Groton CT site I worked at was run until I got out of there. One time I had to do 3rd shift for a month. I can't remember having a decent days sleep.

My shop in the military involved rotating shifts every three months, days, swings, and mid. It was pretty terrible. But it was "fair" because it was terrible for everyone, never mind that some people would have preferred to stay on swing or mid. "Whining" is fully justified in the face of organized stupidity, I'd say.

 

[hal2kilo]

My shop in the military involved rotating shifts every three months, days, swings, and mid. It was pretty terrible. But it was "fair" because it was terrible for everyone, never mind that some people would have preferred to stay on swing or mid. "Whining" is fully justified in the face of organized stupidity, I'd say.

Exactly, by the time I got away from that site, the old site manager was gone and things changed quickly, Some people like swing shift. When I was young it was fine. The switching back and forth was BS. I don't think anyone really cared if the other shift was getting another 7% more in their paycheck.