daylight savings... permenant?

[MrSquished]

I think a bunch of old fogeys are anti keeping the time as it should be, which is how it is right now.

 

[Homerboy]

So, we should continue to have this bad policy since schools knowingly open too soon? Do you also know that kids have been shown to learn less because schools open too soon as well? Learning is directly related to the amount of time the sun has been up, not the clock setting. Any school opening before roughly 10 AM is just harming kids sleep, health, learning, and grades. Not to mention that by starting later, schools can put a significant dent in the number of delinquent kids without parental supervision after school.

yeah but it works better round those 3-4 jobs the parents need to hold down to make rent and pay the grocery bill

 

[Lezunto]

For those who wanted confirmation that DST was once made permanent, it was done on an emergency basis by President Nixon:

History & info - Daylight Saving Time, early adoption, U.S. law

Oh, I must confess I am an old fogey.

 

[Homerboy]

Personally I prefer calling it by it's original moniker "War Time"

Daylight Saving Time Once Known As

It’s that time of year where we’re all anxiously looking forward to spring and daylight saving time so we can actually get home from a busy day when it’s still light out.

www.defense.gov

.

 

[hal2kilo]

For those who wanted confirmation that DST was once made permanent, it was done on an emergency basis by President Nixon:

History & info - Daylight Saving Time, early adoption, U.S. law

Oh, I must confess I am an old fogey.

Never thought about the drive in theater business. Did any of you?
As it is out here, you can't light off fireworks before 9:45.

 

[sportage]

PLEASE!!!! It's called SATIRE. Hitler, DST,
However, you get the idea as to how completely OCD ignorant DST is and has been ever since its inception.
And.... it must go.

 

[nakedfrog]

PLEASE!!!! It's called SATIRE. Hitler, DST,
However, you get the idea as to how completely OCD ignorant DST is and has been ever since its inception.
And.... it must go.

Pardon me for missing your subtle satire given your propensity for frothing at the mouth, mea culpa.

 

[nakedfrog]

Never thought about the drive in theater business. Did any of you?
As it is out here, you can't light off fireworks before 9:45.

I know there's one near here, and there was one near where I lived in Nebraska, too.
I haven't been to one in decades. I guess I could see it being appealing to smokers, maybe?

 

[HurleyBird]

I don't really care much whether we stay on DST or standard, so long as we just pick one and stick to it.

 

[hal2kilo]

As a person who is thankful if I get 5.5 hours of sleep every night since I can't remember, your sleep cycle problems are over rated.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

The country tried this in 1974 and it was horrible. School children were walking to school or waiting for buses in the dark.

Despite wide support to make DST permanent, the danger to children and eventual disenchantment with the idea led most to rail against it.

The kids can go fuck themselves. Back in my day I had to walk to school every day, uphill both ways, through two feet of snow in 100 degree heat.

 

[esquared]

I guess they can try it again, right?

Permanent daylight saving time? America tried it before ... and it didn't go well

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/permanent-daylight-saving-time-america-052453819.html

 

[IronWing]

I guess they can try it again, right?

Permanent daylight saving time? America tried it before ... and it didn't go well

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/permanent-daylight-saving-time-america-052453819.html

People back then were a lot dumber than we are now.

 

[nakedfrog]

I guess they can try it again, right?

Permanent daylight saving time? America tried it before ... and it didn't go well

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/permanent-daylight-saving-time-america-052453819.html

I think it's fair to say a lot has changed since then.
I don't understand all the griping about waking up when it's dark, I've spent plenty of time waking up when it's dark, and waiting for the school bus when it was dark when I was a kid living in the Utah winter.

 

[IronWing]

I figure if that I'm not up, clean, and fed by sunrise, I'm wasting daylight.

 

[hal2kilo]

Would permanent daylight saving time actually improve our sleep? Here's what experts say | Salon.com

"Although chronic effects of remaining in daylight saving time year-round have not been well studied, daylight saving time is less aligned with human circadian biology — which, due to the impacts of the delayed natural light/dark cycle on human activity, could result in circadian misalignment, which has been associated in some studies with increased cardiovascular disease risk, metabolic syndrome and other health risks," the coalition of scientists stated in 2020. "It is, therefore, the position of the American Academy of Sleep Medicine that these seasonal time changes should be abolished in favor of a fixed, national, year-round standard time."

One study published in 2006 analyzed the timing of sleep and activity for eight weeks in 50 people after the daylight saving time transition. The authors of the study bluntly concluded that "the human circadian system does not adjust to DST."

In a separate study that surveyed 55,000, researchers found that on their days off, despite the DST time change, people followed the seasonal progression of dawn, and not the time on their clocks.

Just saying.

 

[nakedfrog]

Would permanent daylight saving time actually improve our sleep? Here's what experts say | Salon.com

"Although chronic effects of remaining in daylight saving time year-round have not been well studied, daylight saving time is less aligned with human circadian biology — which, due to the impacts of the delayed natural light/dark cycle on human activity, could result in circadian misalignment, which has been associated in some studies with increased cardiovascular disease risk, metabolic syndrome and other health risks," the coalition of scientists stated in 2020. "It is, therefore, the position of the American Academy of Sleep Medicine that these seasonal time changes should be abolished in favor of a fixed, national, year-round standard time."

One study published in 2006 analyzed the timing of sleep and activity for eight weeks in 50 people after the daylight saving time transition. The authors of the study bluntly concluded that "the human circadian system does not adjust to DST."

In a separate study that surveyed 55,000, researchers found that on their days off, despite the DST time change, people followed the seasonal progression of dawn, and not the time on their clocks.

Just saying.

Well, this could give them a great opportunity to do a longer-term study, at a year of being on DST, and maybe even two years and beyond
I know people piled on me here for saying it takes me more than a few days to adjust to DST, but once I've adjusted, I still prefer it.

 

[Brainonska511]

Easy solution: Have school start an hour later. problem solved. It amazes me the stupidity of people, where their solution to the children walking in the dark, is one that effects 320 Million people, rather than one that only effects the schools and the children attending.

Also, the greatest danger from walking, day or night, stems from us building communities that favor the automobile over any other method of transportation.

 

[herm0016]

Would permanent daylight saving time actually improve our sleep? Here's what experts say | Salon.com

"Although chronic effects of remaining in daylight saving time year-round have not been well studied, daylight saving time is less aligned with human circadian biology — which, due to the impacts of the delayed natural light/dark cycle on human activity, could result in circadian misalignment, which has been associated in some studies with increased cardiovascular disease risk, metabolic syndrome and other health risks," the coalition of scientists stated in 2020. "It is, therefore, the position of the American Academy of Sleep Medicine that these seasonal time changes should be abolished in favor of a fixed, national, year-round standard time."

One study published in 2006 analyzed the timing of sleep and activity for eight weeks in 50 people after the daylight saving time transition. The authors of the study bluntly concluded that "the human circadian system does not adjust to DST."

In a separate study that surveyed 55,000, researchers found that on their days off, despite the DST time change, people followed the seasonal progression of dawn, and not the time on their clocks.

Just saying.

ffs they know time, as in the clock is a human construct and actually makes no GD difference, because we can choose to get up and go to sleep despite the numbers on some device?

or we can stick with " the numbers on this device control our health" that seems better somehow to people?

 

[IronWing]

ffs they know time, as in the clock is a human construct and actually makes no GD difference, because we can choose to get up and go to sleep despite the numbers on some device?

or we can stick with " the numbers on this device control our health" that seems better somehow to people?

Before the Industrial Revelation, the only people who cared about time were monks and sea captains.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Before the Industrial Revelation, the only people who cared about time were monks and sea captains.

Well, and couriers.

And the Azteks.

Battlefield commanders probably did.

Fishermen...

Anyone in the bush anywhere, at least a close approximation of time.

Probably others.

 

[herm0016]

Well, and couriers.

And the Azteks.

Battlefield commanders probably did.

Fishermen...

Anyone in the bush anywhere, at least a close approximation of time.

Probably others.

what he and I mean, is that the actual numbers are not as important as we think, its the passing of time and our experience of it that is important. but making the number it says at sun up a 6 or a 7 really is of little consequence. does it matter that everyone show up at a predetemed time matter? it could. does it matter if it says 8 on a clock? no.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

what he and I mean, is that the actual numbers are not as important as we think, its the passing of time and our experience of it that is important. but making the number it says at sun up a 6 or a 7 really is of little consequence. does it matter that everyone show up at a predetemed time matter? it could. does it matter if it says 8 on a clock? no.

I guess that's kind of a philosophical question, nowadays though it matters to everyone, because it matters to everyone.

 

[nakedfrog]

I suppose it's time for the old "Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so" Douglas Adams quote then.

 

[nickqt]

Circadian Rhythm has been rendered moot by human society for most people.

I don't wake up at sunrise and I don't go to sleep shortly after the sun goes down, regardless of the whole 1 hilarious hour it would be "different" during 6 months of the year.

That said, honestly I guess I don't care at all whether it's DST or ST. Just pick one and go with it. Changing the clock twice a year has measurable negative side effects and is fucking stupid.