Dawkins on Evolution

[Bateluer]

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2009/11/19/aoc.black.communist.museum.cnn

Sorry, CNN video. Very interesting video though.

My two favorite questions he's asked.

Q: What happened before the Big Bang?
A: That's not a question for a biologist, ask a cosmologist. Darwinian evolution starts around 3.6BYA and the universe started around 14BYA.

Q2: How can Darwinian evolution be refutted in 54 pages?
A2: There is no refutation of Darwinian evolution in existence. And if there ever was, it would come from serious scientists not from an idiot.

 

[sandorski]

You have to select it below.

 

[Bateluer]

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2009/11/24/ctw.connector.richard.dawkins.cnn

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

That's nice.

 

[Descartes]

Evolution has to be the most misunderstood topic in human history. None of the discussions actually get anywhere.

 

[Zorkorist]

Says Descartes.... lol

Nice nicknname.

 

[StageLeft]

Evolution has to be the most misunderstood topic in human history. None of the discussions actually get anywhere.

Not anywhere happy on AT that is for sure

 

[Farang]

Evolution is the greatest idiot detector in human history. Works like a charm every time.

 

[soccerballtux]

I think the recent (last 10 years or so) push for Atheism has been quite telling. That advert on the side of the bus in Britain? Some of the prominent atheists in our mother country became quite concerned after a professing Christian won the White House not once but twice in a row. They thought they had gotten the Christianity behind them but surprisingly all the public school education and evolution teaching in the world wasn't enough to convince the majority of Americans there was no God.

Their (and especially the atheists on the internet) desire to force these views on everyone makes me wonder who it is they're really trying to convince. Seems they are quite uneasy with themselves judging by the fervor with which they direct their campaigns (and for those on the internet, their slander-- never have I seen a more spiteful, hateful group).

In the end if there is no God, why does any of it matter? Just let the Christians live their lives the way they want and leave them alone. I rarely see any atheists living by example in this. Double standards all over the place.

 

[Zorkorist]

Good post Soccerball. Theists do scare the hell out of me, and President Obama, a theist, is a great example of what scares me as an atheist.

I am not ruled by theists, I only try to live my life.

I do try and minimize their impact, as well as Governments impact, on my life... so I am quite conservative.

 

[Moonbeam]

I think the recent (last 10 years or so) push for Atheism has been quite telling. That advert on the side of the bus in Britain? Some of the prominent atheists in our mother country became quite concerned after a professing Christian won the White House not once but twice in a row. They thought they had gotten the Christianity behind them but surprisingly all the public school education and evolution teaching in the world wasn't enough to convince the majority of Americans there was no God.

Their (and especially the atheists on the internet) desire to force these views on everyone makes me wonder who it is they're really trying to convince. Seems they are quite uneasy with themselves judging by the fervor with which they direct their campaigns (and for those on the internet, their slander-- never have I seen a more spiteful, hateful group).

In the end if there is no God, why does any of it matter? Just let the Christians live their lives the way they want and leave them alone. I rarely see any atheists living by example in this. Double standards all over the place.

Those Christians tend to want to burn you at the stake. Don't you think it's understandable some might want to get rid of them? Is there any greater being brain dead that knowing you are right because the Bible says?

 

[stateofbeasley]

Just let the Christians live their lives the way they want and leave them alone. I rarely see any atheists living by example in this. Double standards all over the place.

I've observed that there are people of all beliefs and stripes who try to push their beliefs on others.

Evangelical Christians and Born Agains are some of the worst offenders I have encountered as far as trying to proselytize. Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses also try to proselytize, but in a respectful and non-pushy way, whereas I've had plenty of Born Agains threaten the Devil and hellfire and then rail against the Pope (wtf?).

Militant atheists also annoy the hell out of me as they can be as pushy as the Evangelicals.

Dawkins is particularly obnoxious. His whole attitude is very Ayn Rand/Von Mises.

In sum: GET OFF MY LAWN!

 

[Zorkorist]

There's nothing wrong with explaining or pushing ones beliefs.

The only thing wrong is not listening to others.

From listening, what others are pushing, you can then make a decision; including, ignoring them.

 

[soccerballtux]

Those Christians tend to want to burn you at the stake. Don't you think it's understandable some might want to get rid of them? Is there any greater being brain dead that knowing you are right because the Bible says?

Uh, haven't met any of those Christians. Consistent Christians (ie consistent with the views Jesus taught) are some of the most loving, caring people I've met. To claim all Christians want to burn people at the stake, because you have seen several that did, is just a little biased. But this is Moonbeam, of course.

Fun fact: Some 10 million people have died at the hands of professing Christians over the last 2000 years.
Over the last 100 years, over 100 million have died at the hands of professing Atheists.
Now who is burning who here?

If you want to talk about brutality, a Muslim who converts to another religion is subject to death. I would be far more afraid of them than any Christians. But that's just me.

 

[Hacp]

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2009/11/19/aoc.black.communist.museum.cnn

Sorry, CNN video. Very interesting video though.

My two favorite questions he's asked.

Q: What happened before the Big Bang?
A: That's not a question for a biologist, ask a cosmologist. Darwinian evolution starts around 3.6BYA and the universe started around 14BYA.

Q2: How can Darwinian evolution be refutted in 54 pages?
A2: There is no refutation of Darwinian evolution in existence. And if there ever was, it would come from serious scientists not from an idiot.

That is pretty funny .

 

[cliftonite]

Uh, haven't met any of those Christians. Consistent Christians (ie consistent with the views Jesus taught) are some of the most loving, caring people I've met. To claim all Christians want to burn people at the stake, because you have seen several that did, is just a little biased. But this is Moonbeam, of course.

Fun fact: Some 10 million people have died at the hands of professing Christians over the last 2000 years.
Over the last 100 years, over 100 million have died at the hands of professing Atheists.
Now who is burning who here?

If you want to talk about brutality, a Muslim who converts to another religion is subject to death. I would be far more afraid of them than any Christians. But that's just me.

Where did you get those numbers?

 

[frostedflakes]

Those numbers are kind of BS anyway. If he's talking about Hitler, Stalin, etc., these people didn't kill in the name of atheism. They killed for other ridiculous reasons, which had nothing to do (at least directly) with them not being religious. Many wars over the last few thousand years have been fought in the name of religion, though.

 

[Zorkorist]

Hitler and Stalin both killed in the name of the State, which is just another synonym for Religion.

 

[Vic]

You exist at the logical conclusion of the sequence of events necessary to bring about your existence. Without which, you would not exist to be aware of your existence.
What science has done has reveal the hand of God (thought they may not all call it that). To creationists, I say: do not question the means by which God created you.
That is all.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Q: What happened before the Big Bang?
A: That's not a question for a biologist, ask a cosmologist. Darwinian evolution starts around 3.6BYA and the universe started around 14BYA.

Q2: How can Darwinian evolution be refutted in 54 pages?
A2: There is no refutation of Darwinian evolution in existence. And if there ever was, it would come from serious scientists not from an idiot.

These answers are incredibly interesting. I had no idea about either of these facts, nor that Dawkins believed them as such.

 

[AbAbber2k]

I think the recent (last 10 years or so) push for Atheism has been quite telling. That advert on the side of the bus in Britain? Some of the prominent atheists in our mother country became quite concerned after a professing Christian won the White House not once but twice in a row. They thought they had gotten the Christianity behind them but surprisingly all the public school education and evolution teaching in the world wasn't enough to convince the majority of Americans there was no God.

Their (and especially the atheists on the internet) desire to force these views on everyone makes me wonder who it is they're really trying to convince. Seems they are quite uneasy with themselves judging by the fervor with which they direct their campaigns (and for those on the internet, their slander-- never have I seen a more spiteful, hateful group).

In the end if there is no God, why does any of it matter? Just let the Christians live their lives the way they want and leave them alone. I rarely see any atheists living by example in this. Double standards all over the place.

Is this suppose to be intentionally ironic?

Uh, haven't met any of those Christians. Consistent Christians (ie consistent with the views Jesus taught) are some of the most loving, caring people I've met. To claim all Christians want to burn people at the stake, because you have seen several that did, is just a little biased. But this is Moonbeam, of course.

Fun fact: Some 10 million people have died at the hands of professing Christians over the last 2000 years.
Over the last 100 years, over 100 million have died at the hands of professing Atheists.
Now who is burning who here?

If you want to talk about brutality, a Muslim who converts to another religion is subject to death. I would be far more afraid of them than any Christians. But that's just me.

Oh wait... I get it. You're just full of shit.

Ya, Christians never try to push their views. And if they do, they aren't YOUR brand of True Christians (tm).

 

[stateofbeasley]

Fun fact misleading spin: Some 10 million people have died at the hands of professing Christians over the last 2000 years.
Over the last 100 years, over 100 million have died at the hands of professing Atheists.
Now who is burning who here?

As others have pointed out, you conveniently left out the fact that those "100 million" who were killed in concentration or labor camps were not murdered in the name of aethism, or because someone was trying to convert them.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

As others have pointed out, you conveniently left out the fact that those "100 million" who were killed in concentration or labor camps were not murdered in the name of aethism, or because someone was trying to convert them.

No, not all, however those who were religious were killed for that reason. In China they are still persecuted. You were a believer, you died.

Frankly the only reason Dawkins is known by anyone is because he's a rude son of a bitch who hates anyone with any religious faith, including scientists who intellectually look like a monkey His personal resume is unremarkable IMO. Bitching about religion is his claim to fame.

Dawkins, the champion of asshole attitude.

 

[DrPizza]

A. Agreed that Dawkins is an ass.

B. "Just let the Christians live their lives the way they want and leave them alone. I rarely see any atheists living by example in this." I disagree completely with that statement. I have no problems with any religions believing what they want to believe, Mormons, Protestants, Baptists, Wiccans, Scientologists, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, etc. But, when any of them use their religious beliefs to say how I have to live MY life, then they've over-stepped their bounds.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

A. Agreed that Dawkins is an ass.

B. "Just let the Christians live their lives the way they want and leave them alone. I rarely see any atheists living by example in this." I disagree completely with that statement. I have no problems with any religions believing what they want to believe, Mormons, Protestants, Baptists, Wiccans, Scientologists, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, etc. But, when any of them use their religious beliefs to say how I have to live MY life, then they've over-stepped their bounds.

That's a perfectly reasonable attitude, however Dawkins and people like him earn a living out of ridicule. I'll cite Francis Collins who makes Dawkins look like a high grade moron comparatively speaking. You can look him up if you don't know the name.

Because he has a religious faith Dawkins decided on his own that Collins wasn't qualified as a scientist. That was the entire objection against his nomination as head of the NIH. That he considers evolution as established fact doesn't matter. That he played a leading role in the Human Genome Project didn't count. He's a Christian and for that he hates him. Hate is the word for it.

Well Collins got the post based on his merits, and by all accounts Dawkins was livid because his personal world view wasn't the criteria used.

He has his own personal Spanish Inquisition mentality, which is rather ironic.