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David Jolly (R-FLA) wins special election. Will Obamacare cost Democrats seats?

Mai72

Lifer
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...layed-role-in-florida-special-house-election/

I think Obamacare is going to be a big issue for Democrats this fall.

"The concern about ObamaCare is a view of government, that has more government in our lives, more government in our businesses, it cripples the economy, it hurts employment. There's an individual mandate that people cannot embrace as a view of government that they think is right for the future of our country," he said. "But at the end of the day, ObamaCare just represents a view of government that has been put forward by this president, and I think many people reject."

Will the majority of Americans reject Obamacare? :hmm:
 
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...layed-role-in-florida-special-house-election/

I think Obamacare is going to be a big issue for Democrats this fall.



Will the majority of Americans reject Obamacare? :hmm:

Lame Faux News spin. Jolly won in a traditionally Repub district. The former rep, Young, served there for 40 years.

“Alex put this district in play despite Republicans spending $5 million against her, and she came closer to victory in a historically Republican district than any Democrat has in decades,” Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee Chairman Steve Israel said in a statement. “Democrats will fight for FL-13 in the midterm, when the electorate is far less heavily tilted toward Republicans.”

Jolly, a former Washington lobbyist, will succeed GOP Rep. Bill Young, who passed away in October after serving for more than four decades in the House. During his long tenure, Young earned a reputation as a powerful appropriator, using his perch to deliver federal dollars to the defense community and to his district.

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/...ink-florida-special-election-2014-104543.html

Dems certainly haven't lost a seat, that's for sure.
 
Yes, Obamacare is going to be the death knell of the democrats in the mid terms. Of course the mandates have been delayed, but only the most uninformed wouldn't understand the ploy. Buh-bye Senate!
 
This has nothing to do with Obamacare but more so with party affiliation.
He won out of respect.
The voters tend to do this type of thing, especially when a sitting elected official dies while serving and a special election is called.
The voters usually stick with the same party out of respect.
This same thing happened in my state two years ago.
The democrat died while serving, special election called, all indications pointed to the republican taking the seat, and the democrat won.
Voters just seem to do this type of thing, keeping with the party that held the seat.
I agree with that respect from the voter.
 
This has nothing to do with Obamacare but more so with party affiliation.
He won out of respect.
The voters tend to do this type of thing, especially when a sitting elected official dies while serving and a special election is called.
The voters usually stick with the same party out of respect.
This same thing happened in my state two years ago.
The democrat died while serving, special election called, all indications pointed to the republican taking the seat, and the democrat won.
Voters just seem to do this type of thing, keeping with the party that held the seat.
I agree with that respect from the voter.

Obama can't even spell the word "respect". How about we say fuck all this partisan shit and start voting for people who will get the job done? This one hasn't done shit. Who's better off, except the welfare and food stamp recipients? Name a major accomplishment, just one. Most people will not tell you they are better off under this poor leadership. I'm not......are you?
 
Obama can't even spell the word "respect". How about we say fuck all this partisan shit and start voting for people who will get the job done? This one hasn't done shit. Who's better off, except the welfare and food stamp recipients? Name a major accomplishment, just one. Most people will not tell you they are better off under this poor leadership. I'm not......are you?

Dementia is a terrible thing.
 
Too early to tell how this will impact the mid terms in November. Both parties fortunes can rise & fall a few times before then - depends who is on the upswing then.

How ACA/Obamacare is perceived then will make a difference. There may be shitloads of horror stories about it OR a lot of the bugs may have been worked out by then.

The conventional wisdom is that party that doesn't hold POTUS usually wins the midterms - will be interesting to see what happens.
 
Jolly almost lost a "safe" Republican district after making Obamacare the central issue of his campaign.

Looks more like the opposite of what you're thinking, doesn't it?

Shhh. Don't tell them. Let them keep believing their insanity and perhaps they'll dig their hole a little deeper.
 
I wouldn't put all my eggs in one "wishing on a hope" basket.
Predicting doom and gloom for the democrats over just one Florida election.
They also said that Obama could never be re-elected, and guess what....

I can not name just one thing Obama has done. But I can name several.
First and still foremost, Bin Laden. That was HUGE. And it happened under his administration so he does get all the credit, like it or not.

Obama ended and is ending our involvement in the Bush wars.
Americans hate knee jerk war. No denying that.
That is also why McCain lost his run for president. His love for war.
Well, that and concern over his mental stability i.e. picking Sarah Palin.

Obama created the environment for support of same sex marriage i.e. his justice department.
You can chalk that up to civil rights achievement.

You may think Obamacare was not an achievement, but it was and still is.
Simply disallowing insurance companies from dropping pre existing conditions, that alone was worth the battle. Republicans might think they will get a chance to repeal ACA, but after people go nuts realizing that would return insurance back to the same-o same-o days of mass cancelations and mass rejections, and back to absolutely no accountability, well people will go nuts, trust me they will go absolutely nuts.
So Obamacare is an achievement, it just takes a while for people to realize that.
And this was exactly the same process as with medicare as well as social security.
I remember Ronald Reagan and his little doom and gloom television addresses warning about the evils of big government social security.
But just try to suggest an end to social security today.
Grandma would poke you in the eye with her cane. Pop, no more eye.
Just as GW found out the hard way, messing with SS? Bad idea. Very bad idea.
So too would the people react at the hint of actually repealing Obamacare.
People might say they hate Obamacare, but actually repealing it? Bad idea. Very bad idea.

Then we have the economy.
Sometimes, most times people will take a good thing for granted.
Everyone that works and owns an 401K has seen huge gains in their retirement stash.
And it only takes one president, one misguided congress, one economic disaster to nose dive those 401K earnings.
Compared to 2008 when GW left and Obama came onboard, yes I would absolutely chalk up economic recovery as another Obama achievement.
Anyone that disagrees on that simply forgot how things were back in 2008.
GW sweating profusely on camera as he told the nation of impending economic disaster.
Remember?
And GW's treasury secretary Henry Paulson.
Remember his face on tv?
That look of total fear and disbelief as if he were 5 years old and just discovered they was no santa clause?
And the members of congress? Their faces?
Their recounting of that meeting with Henry Paulson?

Oh how soon we forget.
And how so much worse it could be.
And how fast that so much worse could actually happen once again under the wrong leadership.
And how important it is to vote YOUR best interest, and not the Koch brothers best interest.
And how believing democrats are doomed could once again backfire.
But we shall see.
And remember, you get what you vote for...
In the end!
 
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And in 2008 as well.

Nope.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida's_13th_congressional_district
And hasn't elected a D congressman since 1983. I suspect despite the rightwing spin there is some concern margin was so low given the circumstances.

You didn't mention the redistricting which took place, as the current 13th district was the 10th district in 2008, which Obama won over McCain 51% to 47%. Here's a far-left source so that you can't accuse me of right-wing spin:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/01/13/1054554/-2008-presidential-results-by-congressional-district-for-both-old-and-new-district-lines
 
Dementia is a terrible thing.
I don't think he has dementia. Probably just a TelePrompter programming error. Maybe a voltage dip. I'm sure that without a TelePrompter, he could spell "respect" simply by humming for awhile.

You didn't mention the redistricting which took place, as the current 13th district was the 10th district in 2008, which Obama won over McCain 51% to 47%. Here's a far-left source so that you can't accuse me of right-wing spin:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/01/13/1054554/-2008-presidential-results-by-congressional-district-for-both-old-and-new-district-lines
Ah, redistricting. That special tool that allows people on both sides of the aisle to lie and yet retain some measure pf plausible deniability.
 
Lame Faux News spin. Jolly won in a traditionally Repub district. The former rep, Young, served there for 40 years.

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/...ink-florida-special-election-2014-104543.html

Dems certainly haven't lost a seat, that's for sure.

Nope.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida's_13th_congressional_district
And hasn't elected a D congressman since 1983. I suspect despite the rightwing spin there is some concern margin was so low given the circumstances.

I watched MSNBC coverage of this.

If MSNBC and the Dem types they have on the show think this is worrisome for the Dem in mid-terms then only ones spinning are those here trying to deny it.

Yeah, according to MSNBC Obama carried this district in both '08 and '12.

Jolly was considered a joke and a terrible candidate by virtually everyone, both Dems and Repubs. He's recently divorced and drug his new 26 yr old GF around with him.

People are shocked he won.

Alex Sink was considered a top-notch candidate. MSNBC said she was almost elected governor. Also said she raised plenty of money.

They seem to think the problem might be her campaign platform: Obamacare is good it just needs some fixes.

They also put up some polling numbers on Obama. They were pretty toxic.

Their question is now, how will Dems candidates run? Will they run away from Obamacare? If so, how can they explain voting for it in the first place? Etc.

The Dem campaign strategists are struggling with this.

Fern
 
Spin is comparing congressional election numbers to presidential election numbers because apples to apples far less dramatic. I really don't care what MSNBC says and Dem strategists would be wise to feel the same.
 
Spin is comparing congressional election numbers to presidential election numbers because apples to apples far less dramatic. I really don't care what MSNBC says and Dem strategists would be wise to feel the same.

I was talking about the what the several Dem strategists on MSNBC had to say about the election.

I don't think it's "spin" to use the last elections as a guide to the current one. There's not much else to go off of, and the 2010 midterms were absolutely awful for the Dems so they're of little-to-no use.

And the real focus here is on the Senate races. So, I think it's natural for people to look to districts Obama carried and try to see what might happen in similar districts with Senate races.

Also, the campaign strategists seem to think it's very informative to look at Sink's campaign strategy and analyze how that worked.

Fern
 
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