David Hackworth says Rummy is a A**-Hole.

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

yeah, I'm sure that you are a bigger expert....

Taking statements totally out of context again, I see.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: burnedout

Originally posted by: freegeeks

yeah, I'm sure that you are a bigger expert....

Taking statements totally out of context again, I see.

well you said it

Hell no, Hackworth can't 'properly discuss' mechanized warfare on a 21st century level. He doesn't even know WTF mechanized warfare involves.

In which context do I have to see it - when I read your posts it's clear that you are an expert and he's not

 

[tnitsuj]

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that is all....

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: burnedout

Originally posted by: freegeeks

yeah, I'm sure that you are a bigger expert....

Taking statements totally out of context again, I see.

well you said it

Hell no, Hackworth can't 'properly discuss' mechanized warfare on a 21st century level. He doesn't even know WTF mechanized warfare involves.

In which context do I have to see it - when I read your posts it's clear that you are an expert and he's not

Of course he doesn't know what in the hell MODERN mechanized warfare involves. Have you ever read his bio? No, not the bio on his freakin' website trying to sell a book.

The man was in light infantry most of his career. His last command was in 1971. The Army I was in for 20 years - 1980-2000 - evolved considerably since he was a commander. When was the last time even commanded a mech unit? 1958?

And another thing...... show me a goddam O-6 Brigade commander, out of the loop for 32 years, who can even render a halfway plausable argument regarding the effectiveness of modern U.S. mechanized warfare doctrine.

Once again, you argue for nothing but the sake of a puny, futile argument.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: burnedout

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: burnedout

Originally posted by: freegeeks

yeah, I'm sure that you are a bigger expert....

Taking statements totally out of context again, I see.

well you said it

Hell no, Hackworth can't 'properly discuss' mechanized warfare on a 21st century level. He doesn't even know WTF mechanized warfare involves.

In which context do I have to see it - when I read your posts it's clear that you are an expert and he's not

Of course he doesn't know what in the hell MODERN mechanized warfare involves. Have you ever read his bio? No, not the bio on his freakin' website trying to sell a book.

The man was in light infantry most of his career. His last command was in 1971. The Army I was in for 20 years - 1980-2000 - evolved considerably since he was a commander. When was the last time even commanded a mech unit? 1958?

And another thing...... show me a goddam O-6 Brigade commander, out of the loop for 32 years, who can even render a halfway plausable argument regarding the effectiveness of modern U.S. mechanized warfare doctrine.

Once again, you argue for nothing but the sake of a puny, futile argument.

thank you for teaching me

I'm convinced now, you are right, he can only be a specialist in building/cleaning latrines. After all he was just an infantry guy.

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

thank you for teaching me

I'm convinced now, you are right, he can only be a specialist in building/cleaning latrines. After all he was just an infantry guy.

... out of the loop for 1/3 of a century.

 

[drewshin]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Dari
Looks gay to me.

And that has what bearing on his credibility or point of view? Another stellar comment from a stellar intellectual.

It means he whines and bitches like any other effeminate man. This guy is an arm-chair general at best and a fair-weather former soldier at worst.

You sound gay to me.

LOL. i thought the exact same thing.

 

[LunarRay]

Poor Hackworth... He's too weighted down with medals to comment on the obvious

 

[AndrewR]

Originally posted by: burnedout

Originally posted by: freegeeks

thank you for teaching me

I'm convinced now, you are right, he can only be a specialist in building/cleaning latrines. After all he was just an infantry guy.

... out of the loop for 1/3 of a century.

Out of the military does not mean "out of the loop". He is still able to read books and probably most of the materials available at military command and staff colleges used to train division and corps commanders. Just pointing that out.

 

[Moonbeam]

I hate the left wing of the Army. They fight to protect liberals.

 

[jackschmittusa]

As a matter of fact, yes, I can discuss mech warfare based on first hand experience. And you? Or are you still upset about the debate we had last week?

So, burnedout, we can assume that you have recently been an armored division commander since you are qualified to discuss the topic?

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa

As a matter of fact, yes, I can discuss mech warfare based on first hand experience. And you? Or are you still upset about the debate we had last week?

So, burnedout, we can assume that you have recently been an armored division commander since you are qualified to discuss the topic?

LOL

don't bother discussing this with him. You don't need to be a genius to see that burnedout has a problem with this guy because of his anti-Bush administration opinion. Burnedout is trying a classic trick. Just try to discredit the guy and use arguments like he does ("I've been in the army in a more recent period so I know it better--he's just an infantry guy, what does he know"

. )
That Hackworth has probably more military experience in his little pinky then this whole forum together. It's clear to me that burnedout can't see the difference between the political opinion of this Hackworth and his military expertise.

IMO this thread needs a POLL

"Imagine you're a soldier in a mechanized division and you are send to the front, who would you trust your life to (ecg who do you want as your commander"

a) I take Hackworth, the man is a highly decorated officer and actually has seen major combat.
b)I take burnedout, ex-soldier and a regular poster on Anandtech OT

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: AndrewR

Originally posted by: burnedout

Originally posted by: freegeeks

thank you for teaching me

I'm convinced now, you are right, he can only be a specialist in building/cleaning latrines. After all he was just an infantry guy.

... out of the loop for 1/3 of a century.

Out of the military does not mean "out of the loop". He is still able to read books and probably most of the materials available at military command and staff colleges used to train division and corps commanders. Just pointing that out.

Yes sir, I'll agree with you there. He undoubtedly still has contacts on active duty as well.

Nevertheless, when we, as a nation, have Vietnam vets sitting out on the street homeless 30-40 years after the end of conflict while coming to grips with their past, there is something wrong with his picture of self-promotion.

When we see true Stoics, such as Colonel (ret.) Robert L. Howard or Admiral (ret) James Stockdale, imparting philosophical wisdom upon the masses or direct assistance as opposed to hatred-based criticism for monetary gain, what more should be said?

If Col. Hackworth had walked in the shoes as a division or corps commander; the same shoes which carry the tremendous responsibility regarding the health, welfare and safety of 18,000-75,000 American lives, I just might be able to buy into some of his rhetoric on that particular subject.

The problem is, he has not. And even if he had, would the knowledge gained from walking in those shoes be for sale?

 

[jackschmittusa]

When we see true Stoics, such as Colonel (ret.) Robert L. Howard or Admiral (ret) James Stockdale, imparting philosophical wisdom upon the masses or direct assistance as opposed to hatred-based criticism for monetary gain, what more should be said?

Now that is a little adrift of of your discussion of qualification to comment on armored capabilities. How does this represent greater qualification? It sounds to me that your whole point is that you don't like Hackworth, so you condemn what he says. Perhaps you could just point out the errors in his assesment instead of assailing his character. Such a course on your part might suggest that you are knowlegable and wise.

Do you also condemn Limbaugh and O'Reily for hate based criticsm for monetary gain?

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: burnedout

Originally posted by: AndrewR

Originally posted by: burnedout

Originally posted by: freegeeks

thank you for teaching me

I'm convinced now, you are right, he can only be a specialist in building/cleaning latrines. After all he was just an infantry guy.

... out of the loop for 1/3 of a century.

Out of the military does not mean "out of the loop". He is still able to read books and probably most of the materials available at military command and staff colleges used to train division and corps commanders. Just pointing that out.

Yes sir, I'll agree with you there. He undoubtedly still has contacts on active duty as well.

Nevertheless, when we, as a nation, have Vietnam vets sitting out on the street homeless 30-40 years after the end of conflict while coming to grips with their past, there is something wrong with his picture of self-promotion.

When we see true Stoics, such as Colonel (ret.) Robert L. Howard or Admiral (ret) James Stockdale, imparting philosophical wisdom upon the masses or direct assistance as opposed to hatred-based criticism for monetary gain, what more should be said?

If Col. Hackworth had walked in the shoes as a division or corps commander; the same shoes which carry the tremendous responsibility regarding the health, welfare and safety of 18,000-75,000 American lives, I just might be able to buy into some of his rhetoric on that particular subject.

The problem is, he has not. And even if he had, would the knowledge gained from walking in those shoes be for sale?

you just don't like the guy because of his anti-Bush-administration opinion on this

'nough said

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa

When we see true Stoics, such as Colonel (ret.) Robert L. Howard or Admiral (ret) James Stockdale, imparting philosophical wisdom upon the masses or direct assistance as opposed to hatred-based criticism for monetary gain, what more should be said?

Now that is a little adrift of of your discussion of qualification to comment on armored capabilities.

Prove to me that he commanded either an armored or mech division/corps in combat.

How does this represent greater qualification?

Responsibility and trust. Was Col. Hackworth trusted enough to receive General officer promotion? Hell, no. He was damn near court-martialed. And where is his Congressional Medal of Honor? If he were "America's Most Decorated Soldier", then why did he never receive such an honor from the American people?

And if you really want to put this in perspective with either Col. Howard or Adm. Stockdale, yes, both received our nation's highest military honor. How much do either of these two gentleman run their mouths about their awards?

It sounds to me that your whole point is that you don't like Hackworth, so you condemn what he says.

Quite the contrary. I was a fan of his until his shameless self-promotion surrounding "America's Most Decorated Soldier" went awry.

Perhaps you could just point out the errors in his assesment instead of assailing his character.

Where shall I begin? With drivel from his website? Or perhaps you point out the remark initiating this debate?

"If your solution at the War College final was to go in with one heavy division, you'd flunk."

Put it into context. Are we talking about the War College final from 1969 or 2003? And explain how a light infantry O-6 from the Vietnam conflict is more qualified on this subject of modern mechanized warfare than an O-8, O-9 or O-10 who commanded in Desert Storm? Please quantify this for me, if you will.

Do you also condemn Limbaugh and O'Reily for hate based criticsm for monetary gain?

I listen to neither, and therefore have no opinion. On the other hand, do either Limbaugh or O'Reily advertise their own combat decorations in elevating their respective status? In other words, are their medals also for sale? The same medals bound to American servicemember's lives?

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Moronic idiocy snipped from prior post

you just don't like the guy because of his anti-Bush-administration opinion on this

'nough said

Negative. See reasons above. By the way, Col. Hackworth's negativity towards Army leadership far outweighs his "anti-Bush-administration" opinion.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: burnedout

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa

When we see true Stoics, such as Colonel (ret.) Robert L. Howard or Admiral (ret) James Stockdale, imparting philosophical wisdom upon the masses or direct assistance as opposed to hatred-based criticism for monetary gain, what more should be said?

Now that is a little adrift of of your discussion of qualification to comment on armored capabilities.

Prove to me that he commanded either an armored or mech division/corps in combat.

How does this represent greater qualification?

Responsibility and trust. Was Col. Hackworth trusted enough to receive General officer promotion? Hell, no. He was damn near court-martialed. And where is his Congressional Medal of Honor? If he were "America's Most Decorated Soldier", then why did he never receive such an honor from the American people?

And if you really want to put this in perspective with either Col. Howard or Adm. Stockdale, yes, both received our nation's highest military honor. How much do either of these two gentleman run their mouths about their awards?

It sounds to me that your whole point is that you don't like Hackworth, so you condemn what he says.

Quite the contrary. I was a fan of his until his shameless self-promotion surrounding "America's Most Decorated Soldier" went awry.

Perhaps you could just point out the errors in his assesment instead of assailing his character.

Where shall I begin? With drivel from his website? Or perhaps you point out the remark initiating this debate?

"If your solution at the War College final was to go in with one heavy division, you'd flunk."

Put it into context. Are we talking about the War College final from 1969 or 2003? And explain how a light infantry O-6 from the Vietnam conflict is more qualified on this subject of modern mechanized warfare than an O-8, O-9 or O-10 who commanded in Desert Storm? Please quantify this for me, if you will.

Do you also condemn Limbaugh and O'Reily for hate based criticsm for monetary gain?

I listen to neither, and therefore have no opinion. On the other hand, do either Limbaugh or O'Reily advertise their own combat decorations in elevating their respective status? In other words, are their medals also for sale? The same medals bound to American servicemember's lives?

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Moronic idiocy snipped from prior post

you just don't like the guy because of his anti-Bush-administration opinion on this

'nough said

Negative. See reasons above. By the way, Col. Hackworth's negativity towards Army leadership far outweighs his "anti-Bush-administration" opinion.

quit the mumbo jumbo

You stated that you know more about mech. warfare then the Hackworth dude.
Why should we believe you???

you can give us all the fancy words you know but the guy is a high ranking decorated officer and you are probably not.

Prove to me that he commanded either an armored or mech division/corps in combat.

prove to me that YOU commanded a division of any kind in combat
hell I'm already happy with a brigade



'nough said

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

quit the mumbo jumbo

You stated that you know more about mech. warfare then the Hackworth dude.
Why should we believe you???

you can give us all the fancy words you know but the guy is a high ranking decorated officer and you are probably not.

'nough said

Employing juvenile debating tactics again, I see. Uh, the exact remark presented was:

"As a matter of fact, yes, I can discuss mech warfare based on first hand experience."

Which is indeed true. Show me where I said otherwise. Begin.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: burnedout

Originally posted by: freegeeks

quit the mumbo jumbo

You stated that you know more about mech. warfare then the Hackworth dude.
Why should we believe you???

you can give us all the fancy words you know but the guy is a high ranking decorated officer and you are probably not.

'nough said

Employing juvenile debating tactics again, I see. Uh, the exact remark presented was:

"As a matter of fact, yes, I can discuss mech warfare based on first hand experience."

Which is indeed true. Show me where I said otherwise. Begin.

I have juvenile tactics??? I'm going to help you with remarks you made

1° you questions his knowledge

Hell no, Hackworth can't 'properly discuss' mechanized warfare on a 21st century level. He doesn't even know WTF mechanized warfare involves.

2° you claim to be some kind of expert

As a matter of fact, yes, I can discuss mech warfare based on first hand experience

3° you question his expertise again because he never commanded a mech. division

Prove to me that he commanded either an armored or mech division/corps in combat..

so it's clear to me that you need to be a commander of a mech. division to be an expert -- your words not mine

so I just want to know which mech. division you commanded???

Is that so hard to explain to me. I'm not interested in the mumbo jumbo you pull about the other generals because I don't care. I just want to know who is the bigger expert.

It's YOU who is making all these "juvenile" statements dude, not me

is it clear or do I need to make a flowchart???

Thx for a CLEAR answer

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

I have juvenile tactics??? I'm going to help you with remarks you made

Why thank you.

you questions his knowledge

Yep. I "questions" his knowledge.

Hell no, Hackworth can't 'properly discuss' mechanized warfare on a 21st century level. He doesn't even know WTF mechanized warfare involves.

you claim to be some kind of expert

Nope. Never claimed such. Please learn English. Enough knowledge gained from years served in MODERN mech infantry units indicate that I can discuss the subject. Additionally, point out to me where Col. Hackworth served with modern mech units.

As a matter of fact, yes, I can discuss mech warfare based on first hand experience

you question his expertise again because he never commanded a mech. division

Yep. He has never held such responsibility.

Prove to me that he commanded either an armored or mech division/corps in combat..

so it's clear to me that you need to be a commander of a mech. division to be an expert -- your words not mine

There exists a huge difference in the responsiblity of commanding a corps or division versus a brigade. General officer appointments speak for themselves. Are you trying to tell me that a brigade commander is acknowledged as having more command insight than a division or corps commander?

so I just want to know which mech. division you commanded???

Who in the hell said that I commanded a mech division? Show me where that was written. Begin.

Is that so hard to explain to me. I'm not interested in the mumbo jumbo you pull about the other generals because I don't care. I just want to know who is the bigger expert.

A General officer commanding an armored/mechanized division or corp in Desert Storm or Iraqi Freedom.

It's YOU who is making all these "juvenile" statements dude, not me

No, it isn't I "who is making" all these juvenile statements. Please read what you just wrote.

is it clear or do I need to make a flowchart???

Shall I make a flowchart for you? Or are you arguing again for the sake of an argument?

Thx for a CLEAR answer

Anytime.

simple or do I need to draw a flowchart???

Uh, wasn't this question already asked?

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: burnedout

Originally posted by: freegeeks

I have juvenile tactics??? I'm going to help you with remarks you made

Why thank you.

you questions his knowledge

Yep. I "questions" his knowledge.

Hell no, Hackworth can't 'properly discuss' mechanized warfare on a 21st century level. He doesn't even know WTF mechanized warfare involves.

you claim to be some kind of expert

Nope. Never claimed such. Please learn English. Enough knowledge gained from years served in MODERN mech infantry units indicate that I can discuss the subject. Additionally, point out to me where Col. Hackworth served with modern mech units.

As a matter of fact, yes, I can discuss mech warfare based on first hand experience

you question his expertise again because he never commanded a mech. division

Yep. He has never held such responsibility.

Prove to me that he commanded either an armored or mech division/corps in combat..

so it's clear to me that you need to be a commander of a mech. division to be an expert -- your words not mine

There exists a huge difference in the responsiblity of commanding a corps or division versus a brigade. General officer appointments speak for themselves. Are you trying to tell me that a brigade commander is acknowledged as having more command insight than a division or corps commander?

so I just want to know which mech. division you commanded???

Who in the hell said that I commanded a mech division? Show me where that was written. Begin.

Is that so hard to explain to me. I'm not interested in the mumbo jumbo you pull about the other generals because I don't care. I just want to know who is the bigger expert.

A General officer commanding an armored/mechanized division or corp in Desert Storm or Iraqi Freedom.

It's YOU who is making all these "juvenile" statements dude, not me

No, it isn't I "who is making" all these juvenile statements. Please read what you just wrote.

is it clear or do I need to make a flowchart???

Shall I make a flowchart for you? Or are you arguing again for the sake of an argument?

Thx for a CLEAR answer

Anytime.

simple or do I need to draw a flowchart???

Uh, wasn't this question already asked?

thx for the not so clear answer Mr Super Duper Mech Warfare Expert -- LOL

your hiding behind your own bs and you just look like a dork

yeah right that you are a bigger expert then that guy

So tell me what makes you an expert ???

Nope. Never claimed such. Please learn English. Enough knowledge gained from years served in MODERN mech infantry units indicate that I can discuss the subject. Additionally, point out to me where Col. Hackworth served with modern mech units.

we can always discuss this in dutch or french but I have serious doubts you can make a halfway decent sentence.

I don't have to point out that he has commanded a mech. unit because I believe he's a bigger expert then you even when he has not commanded such an unit. You are just making a bs statement that only someone who has experience with a mech unit (you) can have a discussion or knowledge about it.

capice ???

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

thx for the not so clear answer Mr Super Duper Mech Warfare Expert -- LOL

You are quite welcome.

your hiding behind your own bs and you just look like a dork

How am I hiding behind my own BS? So I criticize Col. Hackworth's lack of experience involving modern mech warfare with FACTS, therefore you criticize me? Wow, how evolved! Why can't you debate any of my points?

yeah right that you are a bigger expert then that guy

Oh, I'm quite sure Col. Hackworth could school me rather well on most subjects relating to insurgency, counter-insurgency, patrolling, dismounted reaction to near-ambushes, airborne insertions, Special Ops and the like. However, I welcome any inquiry he might have concerning BFVs and even mech warfare in general from both an operational and employment perspective.

So tell me what makes you an expert ???

*sigh* Well, I would normally say thanks for the "expert" moniker. However, you should really seek out differing opinions on the matter before awarding me such a distinction.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: burnedout

Originally posted by: freegeeks

thx for the not so clear answer Mr Super Duper Mech Warfare Expert -- LOL

You are quite welcome.

your hiding behind your own bs and you just look like a dork

How am I hiding behind my own BS? So I criticize Col. Hackworth's lack of experience involving modern mech warfare with FACTS, therefore you criticize me? Wow, how evolved! Why can't you debate any of my points?

yeah right that you are a bigger expert then that guy

Oh, I'm quite sure Col. Hackworth could school me rather well on most subjects relating to insurgency, counter-insurgency, patrolling, dismounted reaction to near-ambushes, airborne insertions, Special Ops and the like. However, I welcome any inquiry he might have concerning BFVs and even mech warfare in general from both an operational and employment perspective.

So tell me what makes you an expert ???

*sigh* Well, I would normally say thanks for the "expert" moniker. However, you should really seek out differing opinions on the matter before awarding me such a distinction.

you are saying that you know more about mech warfare then him because you have hands on experience with it

I'm happy with a Yay or Nay

 

[jackschmittusa]

burnedout

Tom Clancy could probably hold his own in a discussion about armored action and capabilities. He never commanded an armored division either.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
burnedout

Tom Clancy could probably hold his own in a discussion about armored action and capabilities. He never commanded an armored division either.

Commanding a Division, An Army, A Corp, the entire military is under the command of Bush and I doubt he even read "Red Storm Rising".