David Frum calls Health Care Reform passage a Waterloo for the Republicans

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Republican Fires at Republicans on Health Care

By Jonathan Weisman

Republicans have been gloating all week that they can’t lose on health care; a Democratic victory on the House floor will mean Democratic defeat in November.

David Frum, a Republican former speech writer for George W. Bush, could not disagree more.

In an interview, he said an upturn in the economy is likely to diminish expected Republican gains in the midterm elections this November, regardless of the health care legislation. But beyond that, he said, defeat is defeat, and this is a huge one.

“Majorities come and go. Sooner or later you’re going to be back in power,” he said Sunday night, as House Democrats moved toward passage of President Barack Obama’s health-care plan. “What the Democrats have achieved here is a change in the way American society works in their favor. That’s a bigger win than anything at the ballot box.”

From the start, Republicans decided to bet the farm on scuttling the health-care legislation, to make the issue Obama’s Waterloo. Instead, it will be the GOP’s, Frum said. If he could have traded the Republican majority in Congress for a win on President Bush’s push to add private investment accounts to Social Security, he would have gladly taken the deal.

In this case, Republicans could have shaped the health care bill more to their liking. They certainly could have changed the way it was financed and mitigated tax increases that conservatives truly hate. Instead, they gambled all or nothing, and they lost, Frum said. They’ll probably pick up seats in November, he shrugged. But what of it?

“It’s going to be a good Republican year clearly, and I’m glad of that,” he said, “but if Democrats have won this fight they have scored a bigger win than any win Republicans can score at the ballot box.”
I couldn't agree more. For the record, David Frum is against "the bill".
 

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I couldn't agree more. For the record, David Frum is against "the bill".

For the record, he's dead ass wrong. The GOP had no input on the bill because the left locked them out of it. Did you not see the amendments and other ideas being talked about? Ofcourse you didn't, you had your head up BHO's ass the whole time. They did offer ideas and solutions - the left told them to F-off because they "won".
 

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I very much agree with this assesment.

I think this is a tipping point in a long hard fall for the GOP, this almost guarntees the dems keep both houses of congress in 2010
 

IronWing

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The "left" was locked out of the process from the outset. This bill has no "leftist" component regardless of Republican spin. The Reps are just pissed that the Dems stole their health insurance lobby campaign contributions.
 

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As long as economy sucks Republicans will make gains. I believe ultimately people vote their wallets then National Security, or more pointedly a wartime president has never lost.
 

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For the record, he's dead ass wrong. The GOP had no input on the bill because the left locked them out of it. Did you not see the amendments and other ideas being talked about? Ofcourse you didn't, you had your head up BHO's ass the whole time. They did offer ideas and solutions - the left told them to F-off because they "won".
All I saw were the same talking points from the Republican leadership over and over.
 

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I very much agree with this assesment.

I think this is a tipping point in a long hard fall for the GOP, this almost guarntees the dems keep both houses of congress in 2010

You people are dilusional! And David Frum is dead flat wrong. This country is boiling over right now at the growth of govt and how the Dems are spending our tax money. The very idea we might need a national sales tax 5 yrs from now when the true cost of this HC entitlement becomes clear is going to set off a revolution.
 

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Who replaces these people that you call "shit."

Who?

Anyone who is not connected with either political machine would be nice.

I'd like to see a Constitutional convention called for limits on political party power. Parties divide up control in Congress, and you'll never find that in the founding document.

Their chief goal is to stay in power. They just trade sides. No one has a chance between them, and they know you'll have one or the other as a rep or President.

I'd have it so that there would be a minimum number of supporters necessary to get on a ballot, but then no party can spend more than 50% more than any other. Party affiliations would be stripped and names alphabetically listed.

People who have to know something about who they are voting for. Anything would be an improvement.
 

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Anyone who is not connected with either political machine would be nice.

I'd like to see a Constitutional convention called for limits on political party power. Parties divide up control in Congress, and you'll never find that in the founding document.

Their chief goal is to stay in power. They just trade sides. No one has a chance between them, and they know you'll have one or the other as a rep or President.

I'd have it so that there would be a minimum number of supporters necessary to get on a ballot, but then no party can spend more than 50% more than any other. Party affiliations would be stripped and names alphabetically listed.

People who have to know something about who they are voting for. Anything would be an improvement.

Sounds like Communism...
 

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Not sure how this is in anyway negative for the GOP in terms of the 2010 election.

Until January, the Democrats had a super majority in the senate, control of the house, and control of the white house.

If anything, the Democrats should be ashamed it has taken this long.
 

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Not sure how this is in anyway negative for the GOP in terms of the 2010 election.

Until January, the Democrats had a super majority in the senate, control of the house, and control of the white house.

If anything, the Democrats should be ashamed it has taken this long.

I'm going to say that the Dems are going to get stomped in 2010 and they aren't even going to realize it until it happens.

I remember how Edwards was going to crucify Cheney in their debates. Nope.

Now I think Dick is a dick, but it was just stupid to expect that his cartoon self would be debating.

Same thing happened to Kerry. A 50 cent crack whore should have been able to beat him.
Nope.
The Dems decided that they could put a statue up for office an win. By heavens, that's just what they did. Kerry couldn't even give a good reason to vote for him other than he was a Dem, which he and his party thought good enough.

If there was a stupid test to hold high office, everyone passed it with flying colors.
 

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No, but then you know that. Communists have one party that's shit. Here we have a country run by two kings and their minions. Double the crap.

You're a good egg, Hay...:)

But what you've suggested is just the old shell game - move 'em all about, but in the end, it's just a game that never changes because it can't....

/you'll never beat human nature...
//power always has and will corrupt...
 

IronWing

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The Dems are running scared. That is why this bill took so long. Many Dems who won in 2008 did so in traditionally Rep districts. This bill pissed off the Reps and pissed of the libs. Very few voters really understand what is in the bill so any lie or truth the Reps care to fling at those who voted for the bill will likely stick. If the Dems had done the right thing and passed a single payer bill, the Dems would be the dominant party for the next twenty years and we wouldn't be having this discussion. Instead, the Dems deep-throated the private insurers and spit up this bill.
 

Patranus

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I'm going to say that the Dems are going to get stomped in 2010 and they aren't even going to realize it until it happens.

I remember how Edwards was going to crucify Cheney in their debates. Nope.

Now I think Dick is a dick, but it was just stupid to expect that his cartoon self would be debating.

Same thing happened to Kerry. A 50 cent crack whore should have been able to beat him.
Nope.
The Dems decided that they could put a statue up for office an win. By heavens, that's just what they did. Kerry couldn't even give a good reason to vote for him other than he was a Dem, which he and his party thought good enough.

If there was a stupid test to hold high office, everyone passed it with flying colors.


The funny thing is that a Republican won in MA campaigning against health care and the Democrats think that this won't hurt them in the 2010 elections?

Really?

I want to get some of whatever they are smoking.
 

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I very much agree with this assesment.

I think this is a tipping point in a long hard fall for the GOP, this almost guarntees the dems keep both houses of congress in 2010
Agreed. If health care reform legislation was such a political boon for the GOP, why did they fight tooth and nail to prevent the Clinton administration from passing the same?

Will the GOP pick up some seats in the fall? Sure. Did the Dems still pass health care reform? Yes.
 
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