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Dave Chappelle spoke out against affordable housing plan in his community | CNN

A plan for an affordable housing portion of a new development in Yellow Springs, Ohio has reportedly been scrapped after comedian Dave Chappelle added his voice to those opposing it.

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No low income people allowed?

 

[nakedfrog]

It sounds like garden-variety NIMBYism, nothing unusual.

 

[brianmanahan]

i can get where he's coming from, i've lived next to poor people before

 

[pete6032]

i can get where he's coming from, i've lived next to poor people before

How did you manage?

 

[sandorski]

Yes, apparently.

 

[kage69]

I think there were real doubts it was actually going to be affordable housing, but then Chappelle does seem to be acting like a business man more interested in friction with his upcoming restaurant/comedy club. He has a vested interest in seeing that project get cancelled, yet he's also gone out of his way to provide income and entertainment for his community.

I'll reserve a final opinion on it when I know more. At face value it seems pretty silly to suggest Chappelle has any problem with low income people.

 

[brianmanahan]

How did you manage?

well i was poor then too, so i did all right

 

[pauldun170]

Homeowner here in an area where "affordable housing proposals" pop up all the time.

Get details on the actual project prior to passing judgement.

Concerned residents and a responding Village Council 'killed' a half-baked plan which never actually offered affordable housing."

Developers sling a lot of bullshit in proposals for what usually turn out to be poorly planned schemes to churns out overpriced crap that the underlying infrastructure cannot support adding all sorts of headache. "85 luxury units, 10 affordable units (apartment building filled 150sq ft studios that poor people cannot actually afford)

 

[kage69]

So the plan was to have an affordable housing component, and the component itself is what he is against? Maybe money has really changed him after all? Damn.

Here's another article on it from the DaytonDaily, clip of the meeting too, he'll cancel it

Still not sure what to think, but I agree this doesn't really look good for Dave.

 

[brianmanahan]

if it's anything like section 8, best not to live within 10 miles of it (or more)

 

[pauldun170]

So the plan was to have an affordable housing component, and the component itself is what he is against? Maybe money has really changed him after all? Damn.

Here's another article on it from the DaytonDaily, clip of the meeting too, he'll cancel it

Still not sure what to think, but I agree this doesn't really look good for Dave.

I'm reading the "affordable housing" as a lot purchased for future use for an apartment building
Affordable housing – 1.75 acres for 20-30 Units with Infrastructure & Village

The way this typically works is that it 30 apartments where 25 are pricey apartments with 5 tiny studio apartments for a little bit less....hence affordable.
It's affordable to overpay for a the apartment where rent is going to increase dramatically when you renew the lease.

 

[Torn Mind]

Some people who land in "affordable housing" are of ok character. Some however, are savvy rule-breakers and bring in a set of annoyances at best and criminals at worst.

 

[MrSquished]

I saw this yesterday. What a jackwagon. I do think he is a funny motherfucker who makes great points, but it seems the money and selfishness got to his head. A local newspaper carried it so it seems legit.

Affordable housing does not mean bums. It also means that an average working person might be able to afford it, and was only a minority component of the overall development.

We have been trained to despise anything labeled affordable housing when one of the single biggest issues in this country is unaffordable housing based upon the wages so many jobs pay due to terrible and restrictive housing policy. This country is fucked beyond repair.

 

[pauldun170]

“I just want to say I am adamantly opposed to it,” Chappelle said. “I have invested millions of dollars in town. If you push this thing through, what I’m investing in is no longer applicable.”

The average age in Yellow Springs is 49 years old according to Chappelle. He also said without a school, they will not be able to attract young families.

“The changes are inevitable,” Chappelle said. “But we do have a decision on what they will or could be.”

Poking around I found this comment

The press trying to frame this is David Chapelle killing affordable housing for poor people. It’s not that simple. They offered a plan to get his $65 million investment, then switched up the project presumably to get tax breaks for the developer. They tried to play him. They tried an okey-doke on Chapelle, and he didn’t fall for the head fake. They went from 143 houses to 64 houses, 52 duplexes, 24 townhomes and *1.75 acres for affordable housing.

Next, the developer Oberer over stepped their bounds and this is a case of over development. The plans they sent weren’t what the town agreed to. It was way more than than the town’s budget and families who need affordable housing could afford.

“Oberer looks to build 64 single-family homes, 30 three-bedroom duplex units, 22 two-bedroom duplex units and seven townhome buildings totaling 24 units. The proposed neighborhood is located north of East Hyde Road and west of Spillan Road...While price points for homes have not yet been established for the proposed neighborhood, Smith said single-family homes between 1,450 and 3,700 square feet built by Oberer in other communities have started at $330,000"

Oberer initially planned to construct 117 single-family homes but chose to build more because that’s what the village asked for, said Greg Smith, a developer for Oberer who presented at Tuesday’s planning commission meeting.

Within the new development, called Birch Creek, Oberer plans to build a mix of single-family homes, duplexes and townhomes, according to plans submitted to the village. Oberer says it will also donate 1.75 acres of land in the northeast corner of the development to the village for affordable housing. Oberer will not necessarily be the company that develops that part, and the village will ask for proposals later, according to plans submitted to the village.


Oberer plans to build 64 single-family homes, 30 three-bedroom duplex units, 22 two-bedroom duplex units, and seven townhome buildings with 24 units of housing.

Price ranges for these homes have not been finalized. Oberer says similar single-family homes between 1,450 square feet up to 3,700 square feet in other communities sold for between $330,000 to $565,000. Oberer said previously the homes would start at around $280,000.

Smith said people would be able to move into the homes beginning in 2023 and the development would be completed within five to six years.

Oberer owns the land they plan to build on and it is already zoned for single-family housing. The village would need to approve a higher-density zoning to include the duplexes and townhomes in the plans.

Some residents also expressed concerns that the land would be developed and not left as green space or for wildlife.

“Green space should be left as it is — green for wildlife, green for carbon sequestration, green for farms, and green for the enjoyment of people,” said Charles Werking in a letter to the planning commission dated Nov. 3.

 

[brianmanahan]

This country is fucked beyond repair.

nah we got a long way to go as far as housing is concerned

we could end up with house prices like canada or south korea

 

[Torn Mind]

Interesting. Really small town of 3,600 or so and declining population. With such metrics, they should be focusing on survival first.

Hippie town of sorts. The supported Cordray big time in 2018. https://ysnews.com/news/2018/11/today-is-election-day-2

It's really funny when the press goes to such irrelevant backwaters to sow political sentiment like the whole country is the same.

 

[pauldun170]

This is starting to look like standard schtick

"Affordable Housing" is not being built. It was never part of any plan.
The developer proposed donating property to the town to bribe them in exchange for a plan modification to switch from pure housing to a mix of houses and luxury condos and townhouses.

They tried to spin it as "Affordable housing" by saying "You, the town, COULD build some cheap apartments on that lot. If you wanted to. Because feel good catch phrase"

 

[MrSquished]

nah we got a long way to go as far as housing is concerned

we could end up with house prices like canada or south korea

The places where people have historically wanted to live the most in this country, housing prices are very high. Poor housing policy and overpriced housing is the single biggest reason to the Bay area's decline and is doing the same to other areas and will continue to do so as long as we leave it unchecked.

Maybe you are taking in the averages of places where the majority of people have no interest in living or where fewer people have interest in living.

We have to tackle the lack of affordable housing in this country and the scarcity of supply driven by overly restrictive housing policy.

Weren't you complaining housing prices by you have risen so much you have taken yourself out of the housing market and kicked yourself in the ass for not buying like 5 years ago?

 

[brianmanahan]

Weren't you complaining housing prices by you have risen so much you have taken yourself out of the housing market and kicked yourself in the ass for not buying like 5 years ago?

lol yeah

i went and looked at a house selling for 140$k last week

the thing was probably only worth half that, but someone bought it up in a couple days anyway

 

[Torn Mind]

lol yeah

i went and looked at a house selling for 140$k last week

the thing was probably only worth half that, but someone bought it up in a couple days anyway

Ohio should have no problem attracting transplants with prices like those...oh wait...Florida has better weather.

I did check out Redfin like a couple weeks ago for Cleveland out of curiosity. There are plenty of cheap places, but I have to presume they are in a truly dangerous place where legitimate fear of getting mugged or shot is justified. I don't blame Lebron for bailing out of there

 

[MrSquished]

Poking around I found this comment

the plot thickens. Though the amount of homes does not seem too different than the 143 originally mentioned. I mean what's the insane deal if some are duplexes and some are townhouses? The issue would be of price bait and switching really.

single family homes from 1450 to 3000+ square feet starting at 330K. I know of this mythology but it's still funny when I read about it.

Saw a marco polo video of my gf's brother's home in Michigan near Grand Rapids. It's huge and new and she said it cost them $365K. It looked very nice. Couldn't tell the construction quality of course but looked nice.

 

[pauldun170]

The places where people have historically wanted to live the most in this country, housing prices are very high. Poor housing policy and overpriced housing is the single biggest reason to the Bay area's decline and is doing the same to other areas and will continue to do so as long as we leave it unchecked.

Maybe you are taking in the averages of places where the majority of people have no interest in living or where fewer people have interest in living.

We have to tackle the lack of affordable housing in this country and the scarcity of supply driven by overly restrictive housing policy.

Weren't you complaining housing prices by you have risen so much you have taken yourself out of the housing market and kicked yourself in the ass for not buying like 5 years ago?

It does not appear that affordable housing would have been addressed as part of the plan being offered by Oberer.

Does anyone know the profit margin differences between new construction Home vs Townhouse vs Condo?
I would imagine they tried to change up the deal because it might be more profitable to build Condos\Townhouses vs single family homes so they talked the village into changing from the original plan of 143 single family homes.

Used 1.75 lot donation as little nudge to have them accept the plan change.

Thoughts?

 

[MrSquished]

lol yeah

i went and looked at a house selling for 140$k last week

the thing was probably only worth half that, but someone bought it up in a couple days anyway

My GF's family is somewhere near or in Grand Rapids. Her brother has a huge looking modern home there for $365K. That seems pretty damn reasonable. Aren't you in Michigan?

 

[MrSquished]

This is starting to look like standard schtick

"Affordable Housing" is not being built. It was never part of any plan.
The developer proposed donating property to the town to bribe them in exchange for a plan modification to switch from pure housing to a mix of houses and luxury condos and townhouses.

They tried to spin it as "Affordable housing" by saying "You, the town, COULD build some cheap apartments on that lot. If you wanted to. Because feel good catch phrase"

Then fuck the developer. Maybe they had a sympathetic ear in one of the local reporters too.

 

[MrSquished]